My pattern results with 12G 00 buckshot

[Blair]

Have no pics, so please bear with my boring descriptions.

Shooting a Rem 870 Express with different chokes - full, mod and cylinder .730

Load is from Lyman's 5th edition

Win AA 12G hull

9 pellets of nickel plated 00 bk

SR7625 at 32gr

Claybuster wad for WAA12R

.030 overshot card

Listed for 1450 fps at 11,000 psi


20 yds to target

Full choke - 3 pellets in center about 4" spread, 4 pellets to left about 8" out


Mod choke - 5 pellets in center about 5" spread, 3 pellets to left about 8" out


Cyl choke - 9 pellets in center 8x10" spread


Wads look like they went through a meat grinder


Thoughts, comments, suggestions??????

[OnHoPr]

I read in a older reloading book a number of years ago at the library that softer buckshot tends to like tighter chokes and hard buckshot tends to like more open chokes. But barrels and the design of the choke can have their individualities still.

[Blair]

So it is the wad that is blowing the centers of the pattern?

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Good morning Blair, you are right as the center of the wad is the weak link, if you just add a .125" nitro card in the wad and then load your Buck shots that should help cure that!
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Evan with the slugs if we do not put a nitro card the center of the wad deforms!!!

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[45 2.1]

I developed a #4 buckshot load for an Ithaca riot gun some years ago using an under max load of PB. The trick to getting a tight pattern was using a Remington shot cup that was slit only halfway down. That one item made the difference.

[35remington]

Does the 12R wad contain all the buckshot pellets in the shotcup or do they stand above it a little? It may not matter that much, really.

Reality check:

Federal's Flitecontrol wad in their factory loaded buckshot in a cylinder (no choke) barrel will regularly outpattern (have less spread in pattern diameter) any choke you care to use with conventional buckshot loads. Making the riot gun standing in the corner that normally is the "home defense" gun into a better buckshot gun than anything else you can shoot that has choke and doesn't shoot flitecontrol (or Hornady TAP, perhaps).

Simply a function of the wad holding the buckshot together longer than any choke can manage. Sobering to know that whatever you do you can't beat it.....unless you come up with a wad that does the same thing in your handloads. Wads with no petal slits or very short petal slits have some stability issues, so it's not just a matter of buying unslit wads from BP and having at it.

Said buy a guy who's tried just that. Some of the flitecontrol wad's features keep it stable while the buckshot finally starts to outrun the wad, and that has an effect on its good performance. The wad itself is fairly substantial as well and that must be playing a role.

Buckshot loads can't really be considered "tight patterning" in a lot of guns. I've a Mossberg that will hold 9 0 Buck or a 15 pellet 3 inch 00 factory loaded buck in 24" at 40 yards which is actually pretty decent.....through a turkey choke tube, which is better than any other choke I've used in terms of pattern size with that gun. The Flitecontrol will easily beat that at the same range. Through a cylinder choke. Chokes are not to be used with Flitecontrol as it tends to strip the wad from the shot, which is the opposite of what is supposed to happen.

[Hogtamer]

35R. I've worked hard on buckshot loads and have developed a couple that finally met expectations @ 50 yds....I know that's a stretch but that's my standard. None are them are effective in open choke though. I am always looking to improve, so could you fill me in on distances you've actually patterned and a few more particulars about your load, wad capacity, etc. I took a quick look @ BPI site and didn't see them in their inventory. Where are they available? THANKS for your input!

[RMc]

Have you tried fitting the buckshot to your choke/choke tube?

Here is the formula to calculate the proper fit 3-stack in your choke/choke tube that James Gates shared with me many years ago:

"Where 'D' is the diameter of your choke/choke tube and 'd' is the diameter of the buckshot:
d=Dx(.464016288)= the size 3-stack buckshot to fit your choke/choke tube......Ex. if your choke is .725", the proper 3-stack is size .3364118908 (no size, but close to #00)
D=d divided by .464016288=.690"choke... .320" buckshot for a .690" choke/choke tube."

[Hogtamer]

Excess, I had very good results with BPI's PT1265 multimetal wad over a load of CLAYS with a little buffer. Relatively light load, tight pattern @ 25 yds.