Glass Bedding 10 Winchester FN Model 70's Ranch Rifles In Pic

[Just Duke]

Glass Bedding The Winchester FN Model 70 In Pic


I have decided to replace the hot melt glue <eyes rolling> with real bedding compound.
Hopefully FN will decide not to use this material anymore and leave the material to the modern house wife for froo froo floral arrangements.
I anticipate this should be easier than the M-14's I have bedded in the past.

So here we go.....
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[Just Duke]

Here are some of the Winchester Model 70's Sporters we picked up a year or so ago.
So far 4 in 30.06 and 2 in .270 Winchester.
Were setting them all up with Talley QD Rings and Bases along with 30MM Leupold VX3 3x9 for the 30-06 and 3X9 VX3 1 inch for the .270's.
These rifles will also be inviting the local domestic deer population to a venison dinner when we finally get moved to our new ranch. ;)


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[Just Duke]

Trigger Springs from Ernie the Gunsmith arrived. http://www.erniethegunsmith.com/
Test loads of Barnes TSX 168 grainers in 30.06.
Check out the Bondus Allen wrench I put in the package. I heat this wrench up and burn through the hot melt glue they use to hold the set screw for the trigger weight spring in place.

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[Just Duke]

We picked up a dozen Tuner Rifle High Power Match Slings and just got them oiled to match the stock with EVOO.
Uncle Mike QD Mil Spec Sling Swivels arrived also.
I'll get a pic up if someone request one.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Duke: Why is there ten of them. Are they going to be rentals or loaners?

What is the complete story on these guns.

Randy

[Just Duke]

Duke: Why is there ten of them. Are they going to be rentals or loaners?

What is the complete story on these guns.

Randy

They will be for our ranch. I don't do customers. Just some cheap deer rifles simple as that.
Because horses fall quite often and I won't just be able to run to Walmart to replace them. Notice the scabbard on the saddle. ;)
Wait a minute? I didn't know you could have to many guns right? :bigsmyl2:


OOPS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZCCeSMLiI

[Just Duke]

Here ya go. ;)

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[andremajic]

Good work on the saddles Duke!

[Just Duke]

Good work on the saddles Duke!

Thanks Andre. Those are Billy Cook Saddles though. We are dealers for them. They leave a lot to be desired. My saddle builds won't have all the mistakes as these do.
I made the scabbards. ;)

[L1A1Rocker]

Good work on the saddles Duke!

That saddle horn is way to tall for my taste. It hurts just looking at that thing.

[Just Duke]

These are the scope we are using. I'm still looking for the others. Their here somewhere in all this mess.

[MBTcustom]

Lookin good there Duke.
Did you take a minute to read what they had to say about pillars on www.erniethegunsmith.com?
Dude knows of what he speaks. I basically use that same process, except I make the pillars out of tool steel, and have my own process that makes use of my milling machine.
Not many people know about stress free pillar bedding, and Ernie provides detailed instructions right there on his sight. Don't mix your epoxy till you read that.
It would be well worth your while to buy his bedding kit, to get the guided cutter and the first set of pillars. If you have a lathe, or have a goodbuddy that does, you can make the rest of the pillars on the cheap, and just reuse the cutter and guides, but he is quite reasonable on his prices there.
For what its worth....

[Just Duke]

Lookin good there Duke.
Did you take a minute to read what they had to say about pillars on www.erniethegunsmith.com?
Dude knows of what he speaks. I basically use that same process, except I make the pillars out of tool steel, and have my own process that makes use of my milling machine.
Not many people know about stress free pillar bedding, and Ernie provides detailed instructions right there on his sight. Don't mix your epoxy till you read that.
It would be well worth your while to buy his bedding kit, to get the guided cutter and the first set of pillars. If you have a lathe, or have a goodbuddy that does, you can make the rest of the pillars on the cheap, and just reuse the cutter and guides, but he is quite reasonable on his prices there.
For what its worth....

I have been pillar bedding rifles since 1977. ;)
Here's my Walmart 338 here.

Walmart, Remington 338 Ultra Mag.
Mcmillan Modified 40 X stock with molded in woodland camo.
28 in. stainless barrel.
Vandyke muzzle brake.
Smith medium scope rings.
Leupold 8.5 X 25 X 50 lighted 30mm Mil Dot.
Badger bolt handle.
Scope mount screw replaced with 8-40's
Brownells ADL trigger gaurd.
Ken Farrel 20 MOA 2 piece bases.
She weighs in just short of 18 pounds.

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Setting up the .338 Ultra Magnum and Leupold 8.5 X 25 Mark 4 scope. I am holding a 338 round in my hand to show size of cartridge.

[MBTcustom]

I apologize duke.
You didn't mention it, and there seems to be no shortage of folks that think bedding compound alone is all it takes to properly bed a stock.
I am especially particular about wood stocks because it's so spongy and can swell and contract depending on the weather, but I don't have enough experience with fiberglass to say if it really makes that big a difference.

[Just Duke]

I apologize duke.
You didn't mention it, and there seems to be no shortage of folks that think bedding compound alone is all it takes to properly bed a stock.
I am especially particular about wood stocks because it's so spongy and can swell and contract depending on the weather, but I don't have enough experience with fiberglass to say if it really makes that big a difference.

No need for apologizes Goodsteel. All is good. I have had an open buddy account with McMillan since Gale did my first tactical rifle in 1977. He was a swell fella.
I'm not sure but I don't know if there is enough meat in the wood for those larges pillars. I might just get some tube stock and knurl it for contact surface adhesion. Well... if my test piece doesn't get crushed. ;)

[MBTcustom]

Send me some dimensions. I'll crank you out some just the right size.
I like to have as big a wall thickness as I can get away with.

[Just Duke]

Send me some dimensions. I'll crank you out some just the right size.
I like to have as big a wall thickness as I can get away with.
Are you setup to take paypal?

[MBTcustom]

You bet, but this is meant as a favor. Just give me dimensions and a preferred material, and I'll get a set in the mail to you. If you like them, I'll make you some more.
I tried to give you a call, but the number I have for you doesn't work anymore.

[Just Duke]

I have a new number to the Bat Cave. PM sent.

[TXGunNut]

I was a bit disappointed to find that squiggle of hot glue in my Super Grades as well. Funny thing is the second one actually shoots pretty well with loads it likes and a well-fouled bore.

[Just Duke]

Here's a few of the Talley Rings and Bases that have been arriving.




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[MBTcustom]

I can't tell what style rings you've got there Adam.

[Just Duke]

I can't tell what style rings you've got there Adam.

Talley Quick Detachable Rings. I want to be able to swap rifle scopes to lower power ones whilst on the trail. At least that's the plan. ;)


Here's the bolts Malcolm.
Looks like the shorter one would need to be made from just over 1/16 inch wall tube and the longer one could be 1/8 in wall stock.

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[Just Duke]

OK so some that didn't understand I removed the secondary build. Just thought I'd share it seeing most of my post in this section were non gun related in the past.

[kbstenberg]

Duke are you:kidding: us about Rem. rifles using hot glue for there bedding.

[Just Duke]

Duke are you:kidding: us about Rem. rifles using hot glue for there bedding.

Winchester Rifles sir.

[MBTcustom]

Sorry Adam, I should have checked the thread. Looks to me like you need one that is 1/2" in diameter and 1.25" long, and one that is .375 in diameter and 1.00" long, and .255 hole through both. Made of 01 tool steel.
Sound good?

[Just Duke]

Sounds good to me Goodsteel and thanks. :)

[Just Duke]

The Power Customs Bedding Stud Bolt System arrived. http://powercustom.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=55&products_id=779&zenid=187fa641ec3c50d55e053f6062750b74
http://powercustom.com/store/images/Winchester%2070%20Bedding%20Studs.jpg

[Just Duke]

I finally got all the 30MM scopes in the same general area.


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[Just Duke]

Looks like were going with another scope mount.
I'm really pondering a late 1950's looking mount.

[Just Duke]

Looks like the scope mounts have just arrived.

[Just Duke]

Here are the Leupold Medium 30MM rings and bases.

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[Just Duke]

Almost done.

[ballistim]

Great project, and I really look forward to seeing more. I wonder if you wouldn't mind showing pictures of the bedding process as it takes place? I have built two sporters on Yugo 48 actions, one is still 8mm that came with a brand new barrel and the other I had a .308 barrel installed. Both were put in Boyd's stocks and I floated the barrels. I've also fitted them with Timney triggers and are they are very nice after having the bolts jeweled, etc. I only have to complete the projects by bedding them and haven't ever bedded a rifle before and after reading and talking to others it sounds like a combination of glass and pillar bedding might be the way to go. I have put a lot of time and money into these projects and want to do this myself, but also want to do the best job I can. Seeing the rifles, saddles along with your story makes me wish I was on your ranch riding a horse with one of your completed rifles in the scabbard, or at least that I was still living in AZ but I guess I feel like that most days! Thanks for sharing your project with us, Duke!

[Just Duke]

Great project, and I really look forward to seeing more. I wonder if you wouldn't mind showing pictures of the bedding process as it takes place? I have built two sporters on Yugo 48 actions, one is still 8mm that came with a brand new barrel and the other I had a .308 barrel installed. Both were put in Boyd's stocks and I floated the barrels. I've also fitted them with Timney triggers and are they are very nice after having the bolts jeweled, etc. I only have to complete the projects by bedding them and haven't ever bedded a rifle before and after reading and talking to others it sounds like a combination of glass and pillar bedding might be the way to go. I have put a lot of time and money into these projects and want to do this myself, but also want to do the best job I can. Seeing the rifles, saddles along with your story makes me wish I was on your ranch riding a horse with one of your completed rifles in the scabbard, or at least that I was still living in AZ but I guess I feel like that most days! Thanks for sharing your project with us, Duke!

That's possible that's for sure. Thanks

[Just Duke]

We seemed to have misplaced a scope we got a few years ago for one of the .270's.
Other than that were all done.

[Just Duke]

Here are some of the pillars I made.


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[ballistim]

Nice work, I envy my friends who are machinists since they always turn out parts that fit their needs. Looking forward to seeing more on this project.

[Just Duke]

Looks like I'll need to need to use our Scope Ring Alignment Tool.
I'll also need to lap the rings in on both 30MM and 1 inch scopes.

[ballistim]

The alignment tool works great, had to set-up several rifles for my father using it to install Redfield & Leopold rings, worked very well.

[Just Duke]

The Wheeler Engineering Kit arrived.
The kit includes Scope Ring Alignment Tools for both 30MM and 1 inch scopes.
Also included is the Lapping Tool to lap the rings in on both 30MM and 1 inch scopes.


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[MBTcustom]

Perfect!!! You know how to build a rifle sir!

[ballistim]

The Wheeler kit works great, doesn't it? I had never considered the effect of torque on scopes from improperly aligned rings until I researched these for installing scopes on several of my father's guns. I had used a 1" blower motor shaft before that that I pulled out of an old furnace and it worked but the kit gets it right on the money. I would never mount a quality scope without it. Nice to see this project step by step Duke!

[Just Duke]

The Wheeler kit works great, doesn't it? I had never considered the effect of torque on scopes from improperly aligned rings until I researched these for installing scopes on several of my father's guns. I had used a 1" blower motor shaft before that that I pulled out of an old furnace and it worked but the kit gets it right on the money. I would never mount a quality scope without it. Nice to see this project step by step Duke!

Thanks guys.

I went ahead and did the M-14's also.

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[Just Duke]

I just checked the receipts. That last one was bought a year and a half ago and we still haven't shot them yet.
Hard to motivate seeing they will just sit until we get moved out of here.......... ARRGGG!!!!!

[Just Duke]

Perfect!!! You know how to build a rifle sir!

Naw. I'm just adding a simple spring and scope mount. Not really anything like you do Tim.