Another Walmart and no ammo story

[Ohio Rusty]

I was in Wally World a week or two ago in the early morning and I was talking with a fellow standing in line waiting for the cashier. I was in to get 4 small propane tanks for my propane stove as that is what I use to melt lead. Interesting guy to say the least. He works at the Walmart distribution center and he personally sent out 17 skids of ammo to the stores, my local wally world in Logan was one of the recipients of ammo. He stopped in to sporting goods and there was no ammo on the shelf. He brought the assistant manager to the register and asked him why there was no ammo on the shelves for the customers. He told the Asst. Mgr. there was ammo sent to his store that morning. The Asst. Mgr. just shrugged his shoulders and said nothing.

This tells me pretty much what I have known for months and months...... that the employees and their families are getting notified that ammo has arrived and it is sold before it gets to the shelf. The other day I strolled by sporting goods and there were two boxes of Winchester .45 auto on the shelf, a couple boxes of .270 rifle ammo and 6 boxes of some oddball 6.8 caliber ammo.
Ohio Rusty ><>

[Ben]

You know what they say.........It is who you know in this old world.

[jmort]

Here in Temecula California same thing, the Walmart Ammo Cabinet is essentially empty, walked by it last night. One morning I was in there and I saw five guys lined up in front of the cabinet and there you go. Same thing at Big Five, happened to go by there shortly before opening on"ammo day" and there were about 10 guys lined up ready to buy it all. I'm glad I smelt/cast/reload.

[bangerjim]

Deal with reputable guns shops. I never buy from WalFart. My local gun shops are there to help me and they do! Powder....primers....ammo (when I actually buy it)......accessories. Deal with the people that know what they are doing......not supply thier buddies and families with scalping ammo for the internet.

bangerjim

[cephas53]

Asked about it the other day at my local mart. Guy says some ammo comes in couple times a week and stocked around 0700. Says same several guys there each time and buy it all. Have always supported my local guy, and he has done me right. However was shocked to see his price on .22lr today.

[mold maker]

Local Walmart has a line at the counter a little before 7:00AM. They buy it off the skid or buggy, it comes out of the truck on. It never hits the shelves. Walmart limits the quantities, but there is never enough.
I have Grandkids to deliver to Summer Camp, so I can't be there in the line.
I'm not out of anything, and I swage/cast what I shoot most, but I'd like to keep at the level I'm at.
If folks will stop paying scalper prices, the morning line would disappear, and soon there would be merchandise on the shelves. WalMart prices are almost at the level they were before the madness, and store policy dictates no employee purchases until the customers are served.
If ya really need ammo, be first in line, and buy the limit. Ya have to play the scalpers game.

[jmort]

"Ya have to play the scalpers game."

If you have to get something "right now." Otherwise, I will wait for the market to stabilize. The fools on a couple of the "big" forums were saying this would be all over months ago and hussien had no power or could not cause an indefinite panic. I knew better, and have been proven right. Regardless, we are looking at next spring/summer, about a year for the market to correct itself in the right way. I have no problem waiting.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

"Ya have to play the scalpers game."

If you have to get something "right now." Otherwise, I will wait for the market to stabilize. The fools on a couple of the "big" forums were saying this would be all over months ago and hussien had no power or could not cause an indefinite panic. I knew better, and have been proven right. Regardless, we are looking at next spring/summer, about a year for the market to correct itself in the right way. I have no problem waiting.
You are probably right...unless "They" (Liberals in congress) start talking gun control laws again after some new tragedy or God forbid, if they gain control after the Nov. 2014 elections. And I just heard Mark Kelly (Gabby Giffords Hubby) in a New interview TODAY on NPR, pushing some anti-gun agenda. If it stays in the news...we lose.

[jmort]

Yes, I completely agree, if the House goes, the panic will continue unabated for the indefinite future.

[Gliden07]

The cost of 22 ammo lately!! Its cheaper and more fun to develop and shoot my Boolits and larger caliber pistols then pay thru the nose for 22's!! Screw Wally world!!

[Outpost75]

When you buy at Walmart you arr sending your money to the Chicoms.

It's CHINA MART!

Please support local businesses, American, NAFTA partners and developing countries who do not use gulag labor to produce goods for export. No Yankee dollars to foreign devils!

[Down South]

I would have bet money that some of the WM employees across the country were on the take. The thought has passed through my mind a time or two.
Get a buddy to show up at the right time to purchase it for themselves or more dangerous, buy it themselves to sell at the local flea markets for a handsome profit.

[uscra112]

I would have bet money that some of the WM employees across the country were on the take. The thought has passed through my mind a time or two.
Get a buddy to show up at the right time to purchase it for themselves or more dangerous, buy it themselves to sell at the local flea markets for a handsome profit.

This always happens when there are shortages. I remember in the '70s "gas crisis" that, if you were properly introduced, you could fill your car/truck right up from a tanker that parked in various dark industrial park locations. You paid cash, and the price was only a little more than what you paid if you bought at a normal gas station, but there you were allowed only eight gallons. What causes all this is the foolish policy followed by some retailers of selling at an artificially depressed price, instead of what the market will bear. Apparently each generation has to learn that lesson anew.

[Swamp Man]

If people had a clue what wal marts rules are and how there stores are stocked. They wouldn't go around spreading B.S. lies about the employees buying up all the ammo stock. People just like to talk and lots of times it's about things they don't have a clue about. If you knew a district manager that's been there for 30 plus years maybe you would know the facts but until you have fact you shouldn't be spreading untrue rumors.

[Down South]

They wouldn't go around spreading B.S. lies about the employees buying up all the ammo stock.
If you are referring to my post, did I say that WM employees were buying up all of the Ammo stock? No, I said that I would be willing to bet that some were on the take and either have buddies purchase it for them through inside information or were crazy and buying it themselves.
I'm still willing to make that bet.

[jcwit]

I know a guy that's still sitting on about a doz generators he was going to make a bundle on back in Y2K.

[fatelk]

A friend's wife works at a local Bi-Mart store. She said they get ammo shipments in a couple days a week, and on the mornings of those days the same half-dozen guys are in line every time. She said she wonders what kind of a thing they have going on that they come in and buy the whole shipment every week for weeks on end.



I know a guy that's still sitting on about a doz generators he was going to make a bundle on back in Y2K.

Speculating can be risky; sometimes you lose. :)

[jcwit]

A friend's wife works at a local Bi-Mart store. She said they get ammo shipments in a couple days a week, and on the mornings of those days the same half-dozen guys are in line every time. She said she wonders what kind of a thing they have going on that they come in and buy the whole shipment every week for weeks on end.




Speculating can be risky; sometimes you lose. :)

I have a hunch there's going to be a bunch of losers shortly.

[starmac]

At least ammo speculators that wind up holding the bag can shoot it up, what would a guy do with a dozen generators. lol

[jcwit]

At least ammo speculators that wind up holding the bag can shoot it up, what would a guy do with a dozen generators. lol

I think he's wondering the same thing. lol

[hardy]

At least ammo speculators that wind up holding the bag can shoot it up, what would a guy do with a dozen generators. lol

Live like a movie star(Until he runs out of gas) LOL Mike

[starnbar]

O-75 just got back from walmart bought some tomatoes from Ruskin fl potatoes came from Idaho tin foil Alcoa racine wisc 223 ammo federal got nothing from china in my bag.

[crossbow2]

Went to the Bardstown rd Walmart in Louisville KY Friday AFTERNOON and they had almost no ammunition of any kind !.

[KohlerK91]

maybe you would know the facts but until you have fact you shouldn't be spreading untrue rumors.

I too have heard the storries about a few guys that stand in line and get there early to buy the "whole shipment". I thought there was a limit on the number of boxes you can purchase?

How a can a half dozen guys buy the whole shipment or the whole skid of ammo three days a week?

Unless its only 30 boxes of ammo each shipment?


Whats the real deal?

[waksupi]

Those who were prepared, have been using the ensuing months upgrading scopes, mounts, re-barreling, re-bluing, and upgrading their old favorites. If you don't have to worry about your ammo supply, you can work on upgrading your firearms. A couple business owners have mentioned they have had an increase in this type of business by old timers that planned ahead.

[Junior1942]

I know a guy that's still sitting on about a doz generators he was going to make a bundle on back in Y2K.And therein lies what will happen when supplies of ammo return to even semi-normal. Only problem with ammo, primers, etc., is how were they stored over those years?

[Wis. Tom]

The guys buying this ammo are betting on this regime, to come through with what they promised. It's their money, and I see it a better bet than going to a casino. Glad I stocked up.

[NSP64]

local gun store (mom pop) has ammo falling off the shelves and AR's sitting in racks, no price gouging either.
But, I reload therefor I have always had ammo.

[waynem34]

This very same thing has happened many times correct? It will come to pass and it will inevitably happen again. I don't hoard but a probably spend too much on stuff when it is plentiful, maybe I am a hoarder lol. I didn't set out to be. O well, alls well that ends well I guess. Don't worry be happy.

[TXGunNut]

My sister teaches nursing at a local junior college. One of her students is working her way thru nursing school buying and reselling ammo.

[country gent]

Tommorw is opening day of the National matches at Camp Perry. Me and a couple buddies are heading over to check out commercial row. If theres any ammo or commponents to be had it will be here. Venders from all over and they have a captive audience. Springfield Armory will be there with the new and improved, Armalite, DPMS, champions chioce champions shooter suppy and many others.

[Friends call me Pac]

I work sporting goods in Wal Mart. I am going to tell you the facts as i have seen them in my store. As an employee I can not purchase ammo while on the clock as a matter of fact I can't purchase anything except a drink and a snack during my 15 min break. I can make a purchase while off the clock for lunch but by then any .22 shells that may have arrived are long gone.

When .22 shells do come in, and that is rarely, there never is a large amount. A dozen boxes of 320 ct or a dz 50 round count boxes seems to be the norm. With a 3 box limit it only takes four customers to wipe out the supply and it usually takes less than a hour to clear the shelves.

If you think the guy working behind the counter is scalping the shells or selling them just to friends it sure isn't true at my store. I have not been able to buy a box of .22 shells for myself in maybe 7 months now.

[starmac]

The wallmart here has a 1 brick limit when they get it in, but the only time I happened to be standing there when they were unloaded the skid, I passed because of the price.

[Swamp Man]

If you are referring to my post, did I say that WM employees were buying up all of the Ammo stock? No, I said that I would be willing to bet that some were on the take and either have buddies purchase it for them through inside information or were crazy and buying it themselves.
I'm still willing to make that bet.No I was referring to the OP.

[Swamp Man]

I too have heard the storries about a few guys that stand in line and get there early to buy the "whole shipment". I thought there was a limit on the number of boxes you can purchase?

How a can a half dozen guys buy the whole shipment or the whole skid of ammo three days a week?

Unless its only 30 boxes of ammo each shipment?


Whats the real deal? They are not getting that much ammo in at any one wal-mart right now. Many times they only receive a few bulk packs or a few loose 50 count boxes 22LR. They are not receiving skids of anything they may get a few cases of shotshells others come in a few boxes at a time. If the wearhouse gets in a skid it's broke down and divid between all the store that wearhouse ships to.

[9.3X62AL]

Sounds like Flipper activity to me. The best way for these vermin to be eliminated would be for the %$# *&^% ammo makers to get off their dead asses and start shipping material like they mean it. As long as this "dribs and drabs" distribution scheme continues, the Flippers will continue to strip shelves and make their filthy lucre. I don't give a (blank) how hard the ammomakers are supposedly working--it isn't enough, not hardly enough. Their excuses no longer wash for me--they planned poorly, they refuse to adjust their thinking, and they aren't serving a ready and willing market worth a diddly-damn. THEY SUCK.

[Swamp Man]

Sounds like Flipper activity to me. The best way for these vermin to be eliminated would be for the %$# *&^% ammo makers to get off their dead asses and start shipping material like they mean it. As long as this "dribs and drabs" distribution scheme continues, the Flippers will continue to strip shelves and make their filthy lucre. I don't give a (blank) how hard the ammomakers are supposedly working--it isn't enough, not hardly enough. Their excuses no longer wash for me--they planned poorly, they refuse to adjust their thinking, and they aren't serving a ready and willing market worth a diddly-damn. THEY SUCK. That's what's happening.

[dragon813gt]

So take the millions of dollars you have for capital investment and start up your own company. People seem to think it's really easy to ramp up production. Manufacturers don't want to have production lines sitting unused if this is a bubble. Why should they invest millions to meet demand for a few months? I'm sure if it continues at this pace they will eventually invest the money. But only they can decide when to make the investment.

[starbits]

I was recently traveling in Idaho and the wife needed some cold medicine. Saw a Walmart so pulled off the highway. Checked out the ammo as long as I was there, ~7:30 am. They had a few boxes (50 count) of 22lr, limit 3 boxes, price $2.97 per box. Nobody standing in line. I bought 3 boxes and there was still 22lr on the shelf when I left.

Starbits

[rosst]

i can ring/email my usual ammo supplier and order 2000 rounds of CCI .22 ammo today, as i did a couple of weeks ago and have it at my door the next day . . . reading this ongoing saga of whats happening to you guys, in the country where the ammo is made is truely . .. . whats a good word to describe it ?

cheers R.

[jcwit]

i can ring/email my usual ammo supplier and order 2000 rounds of CCI .22 ammo today, as i did a couple of weeks ago and have it at my door the next day . . . reading this ongoing saga of whats happening to you guys, in the country where the ammo is made is truely . .. . whats a good word to describe it ?

cheers R.

You don't have an Obamation (sp?)down there.

[Harter66]

I've been cross country a couple of times this yr. As of now Lemon Grove,south to San Diego up the I15 to Adalanto 395 to Reno 95 to Kingman Az I40 to Mc Alister Ok then wandering across Ar to Conway Ar. I think the same 10-20 boxes in all the Wal-marts,other sporting goods I've been in had kind of the same story . In a small town in western Nv the LGS has no ammo ,unless you're local then he's well stocked.

[Down South]

Sounds like Flipper activity to me. The best way for these vermin to be eliminated would be for the %$# *&^% ammo makers to get off their dead asses and start shipping material like they mean it. As long as this "dribs and drabs" distribution scheme continues, the Flippers will continue to strip shelves and make their filthy lucre. I don't give a (blank) how hard the ammomakers are supposedly working--it isn't enough, not hardly enough. Their excuses no longer wash for me--they planned poorly, they refuse to adjust their thinking, and they aren't serving a ready and willing market worth a diddly-damn. THEY SUCK.

I think it's a bit more than that. I don't think any ammo manufacture is purposely not making all the ammo they can. It's profit in their pockets the more they make right now. The problem is demand and that's the bottom line.

[Gliden07]

Was cruzing around YouTube and found some videos about what 1 poster was calling "Ammo Gangs". This was a name he gave the 7 or 8 guys that he felt had inside information about Ammo deliveries they show up on delivery days and buy it all. He even called Walmart to complain to them directly. He also implicated Managers and Employees in the scam, the woman he talked to basically said during off work hours managers and employees are treated just like regular customers and were subject to all the same rules? I find that hard to believe!! I believe some of the other videos that said some of the Walmart employees were holding back ammo for themselves, friends and families! Thank God I started to reload when I did!!

[Swamp Man]

the woman he talked to basically said during off work hours managers and employees are treated just like regular customers and were subject to all the same rules? That is the rules of wal-mart. In fact employees don't even know what's going to be shipped to the stores until the truck is unloaded. If any employees try to hold back items and get busted they are fired on the spot.

[Swamp Man]

I think it's a bit more than that. I don't think any ammo manufacture is purposely not making all the ammo they can. It's profit in their pockets the more they make right now. The problem is demand and that's the bottom line.
It's the resellers that's causing a lot of the problem between them and people buying personal use ammo it eats the stock up almost instantly.

[starmac]

Resellers can't cause a problem, unless they have customers.

[9.3X62AL]

And they most surely do. Until the ammo makers get serious about serving the market, little will change--and until end users stop buying from flippers, the flippers won't stop stripping shelves. Perfect Storm.

[dragon813gt]

The ammo makers are running full tilt. What else do you expect them to do? They want to make as much money as possible like any other business. The people paying the inflated prices are more of a problem. If they would stop then the resellers would stop buying the ammo and it would be on the shelves. Not saying that the supply isn't short. But there is only so much ammo the manufacturers can make.

[Swamp Man]

Those large government contracts put a hurting on the brass,lead supplies then customers seen a shortage taking place and started buying heavily. That caused the resellers to see dollar signs that put us where we are today. The supply chain can't catch up until the buying slows down or the factories add new production lines and get them running. Now which will take place first? The buying won't stop until Obama is gone so at this point there is only one answer to stop the shortage or it will go on until 2016 at least. JMO

[dakotashooter2]

If I was working at a retail store and the same guys showed up for every delivery I would probably start "mixing up" the stocking times..........

[Swamp Man]

If I was working at a retail store and the same guys showed up for every delivery I would probably start "mixing up" the stocking times..........

That's what some of the Wal-marts try to do from time to time. But the ones that buy their limit ever time they can for resell will hang around all day trying to find out the stocking time and it starts all over again.

[rockrat]

Then I would just make them hang out there all day and stock it at suppertime. Or , better yet, only stock it every two weeks and build up a supply so once the reselllers get their limit, new guys can have a chance at getting some ammo. Vary it too. one week, then three , then two, maybe back to three. have the frequency of stocking vary

[dragon813gt]

I have a feeling that once they receive it, it has to go on the shelves. And why it makes sense to you and me to hold back. It makes no sense as a retailer who's sole purpose is to make money. No product on the shelves equals no money.

[fatelk]

But the ones that buy their limit ever time they can for resell will hang around all day trying to find out the stocking time and it starts all over again.

I've wondered what kind of people have the time to hang out all day waiting for them to stock the shelves. I would think they might get chased off.

Many, many years ago I was hanging around in a store waiting for a friend to get off work so we could hang out. A manager chased me off; said I was "loitering" and needed to leave.

[9.3X62AL]

The ammo makers are running full tilt. What else do you expect them to do? They want to make as much money as possible like any other business. The people paying the inflated prices are more of a problem. If they would stop then the resellers would stop buying the ammo and it would be on the shelves. Not saying that the supply isn't short. But there is only so much ammo the manufacturers can make.

Respectfully disagree here. The ammo makers have a years-long supply chain and sales record that they use to forecast sales and plan manufacturing. It provides a comfort zone for them, and it appears to me that they won't be stirred out of it--and the traditional end-user can basically drop dead. They are selling all they make, that's all that matters to them. What DOESN'T seem to matter is that the market has expanded GREATLY, and likely permanently. They just don't care, or something substantive would be done about the problem. No, sir--okey doke, it don't matter a damn that predators strip the shelves of whatever ammo or components The Makers deign to create, and the end user winds up either doing without or paying 3X-4X suggested retail to get what they need. Fair warning here.......any Flipper SOBs want to stake out our local WalMart better station a watch on their vehicles. People in my town are fed up with the sitch as it exists, and I see major problems for Flippers in short order--both legal and extra-legal. I've heard some very ugly talk in this vein lately in the local toy stores. And save your Capitalism 101 schpiel for someone who buys that garbage.......this is nothing but greed and avarice at work, and people see right through that. Firearms hobbyists are besieged by lawmakers, media, and now arsehat suppliers and manufacturers that can't/won't/don't stock what is needed to serve the market and the hobby, and they/we are real damn tired of it. If ammo & component makers don't wish to be regarded in the same light as politicians, they need to stop treating their customers in similar fashion to state and federal legislators and executives. DO SOMETHING--PRODUCE SOMETHING--and keep it coming. Epic fail, so far.

[dragon813gt]

So why don't you do something about it? Put a business plan together, apply for a loan and start a business. In times of short supply two things usually happen. Current suppliers ramp up production to meet demand. If they're at capacity and the demand is sustained new suppliers hit the market so demand can be met.

None of us know what the suppliers are looking at as far as demand for the long term. Like the housing market I see this as a bubble. So why should they invest millions to meet a temporary demand. None of us knows the costs involved to put a new production line into service. Not only is there the tooling but there is also the labor, training and benefits costs. If a line isn't running it's not making the company money. So I understand them not wanting to invest if they see it as a bubble.

Threatening harm to someone or their property because they are able to buy something that you aren't is very childish. Very few people actually rely on ammo for their lively hood. It's just a hobby for the vast majority. If you can't purchase ammo, get another hobby until you can. Say what you want about Capitalism. But it's the name of the game in this country. You either play the game or don't. If people stopped paying inflated prices for ammo that they don't Really need then the prices would come down and supply would be on the shelves.

[9.3X62AL]

It wasn't me making threats--it was customers in an isolated desert town with few options other than Wally World or LGS. These people out here don't play, and they have a good idea who to focus upon--it is a very small town. Not my style to trash people's stuff, but I wouldn't rat out anyone for expressing themselves in this fashion. What a shame, if one of these Flipper jerks had to plow some of that windfall profit back into window glass and tires. Stuff like that is expensive out here in BFE.

I do have other hobbies, and I am pursuing them while this bullsquat continues. And FYI, I was a Type 01 FFL for 12 years part-time, and did so in order to service a poorly-served market segment that mainstream retailers didn't care much about. It was way too much work for way too little money, truth be told. So I'm not just talking out my aspirations here, and I did throw my hat into the ring and give that Captain Menshevik routine a long test-drive.

Capitalism seems to only be working in the firearms ammo & accessories market for the fraudulent and scandalous. Epic fail. The ammo makers won't leave their comfort zone, so customers do without while Flippers make bank. Of course, you could be just such an individual engaged in such practices, hence your expressed happiness with the status quo and all that Adam Smith foofahrah. Conscienceless predators abound in times such as these.

I just believe a person in business selling ammo has a reasonable expectation--after investing in brick & mortar shop space and getting licensed to sell firearms & ammo (no mean hurdle here in CA)--to be supplied promptly and steadily by jobbers and wholesalers, to make a reasonable markup for his efforts, and not have to spend all damn day on the phone to get 10 boxes of mixed-caliber ammo per week. There is something profoundly wrong with the delivery system when conditions like those today remain in place for such a long time. Strippers and flippers should have crawled back under their rocks long ago, and $75 bricks of bulk 22 LR ammo or 1K primer packs at similar tariffs should be history.

[starmac]

Which ammo maker is it that is laying back and not running full capacity. It seems like a couple of them have announced plans to expand .
I hope they don't expand too much, as contractors did in the housing bubble, or oilfield suppliers and drilling companies did during the oil heyday.
I have seen many new commercial buildings torn down without ever opening their doors, because it was cheaper to take it back to earth, than to pay taxes on it when markets suddenly changed.

[Swamp Man]

I have a feeling that once they receive it, it has to go on the shelves. And why it makes sense to you and me to hold back. It makes no sense as a retailer who's sole purpose is to make money. No product on the shelves equals no money. Your correct. If the stock is there the shelves must be stocked. If not the store manager get's wrote up for having empty shelves when there is stock to put out.

[Swamp Man]

I've wondered what kind of people have the time to hang out all day waiting for them to stock the shelves. I would think they might get chased off.

Many, many years ago I was hanging around in a store waiting for a friend to get off work so we could hang out. A manager chased me off; said I was "loitering" and needed to leave.The manages must have a real good reason to run anyone out of a store. The head office has no rules about how long customers can hang around in the stores unless they are breaking rules set by the home office.

[Down South]

I don't believe that any ammo manufacture is holding back. I've read articles from several and they stated that they were balls to the wall working extra shifts and even running seven days a week.
What we have is an influx of new customers. I know, I saw the gun racks at several big box stores that stayed pretty much bare for months. I ordered a couple new guns during this time and both were very hard to get and both were common guns. I know several people that purchased their first ever firearm during this time.
Then we have those who were already gun owners that were spooked and I don't blame them. They went out trying to build their ammo reserves.
Then we have the flippers. The bums, most who don't have a job. If they did, they wouldn't have the time to be waiting in line at stores during working hours. They are there for the sole purpose to make a profit from a bad situation and all they do is make it worse for us.
Well, what goes around, comes around. Someday sooner or later many of them will be stuck with a load of ammo they can't unload.
If we don't hear much about gun control from our elected elite in Washington in the near future, I believe we will slowly start seeing stock back on the shelves. Of course this will be after we, who don't have the time to sit at a store all day for a couple boxes of 22 bullets have the opportunity to secure our needs/wants.

[Dale in Louisiana]

If we don't hear much about gun control from our elected elite in Washington in the near future, I believe we will slowly start seeing stock back on the shelves. Of course this will be after we, who don't have the time to sit at a store all day for a couple boxes of 22 bullets have the opportunity to secure our needs/wants.

good luck with that. The Zimmerman defense lawyers just rested their case. A verdict of 'not guilty' is liable to seriously upset a segment of the population who might see it as an opportunity to upgrade their TV's for the upcoming NFL season.

Any inordinate amount of shooting is going to turn the burner back up under the gun control bunch.

dale in Louisiana

[Swamp Man]

good luck with that. The Zimmerman defense lawyers just rested their case. A verdict of 'not guilty' is liable to seriously upset a segment of the population who might see it as an opportunity to upgrade their TV's for the upcoming NFL season.

Any inordinate amount of shooting is going to turn the burner back up under the gun control bunch.

dale in Louisiana That's what the Obama thug government is hoping for. That fake Sandy Hook deal didn't work out for them so well so they are looking at this as another posable chance to push their gun bills.

[9.3X62AL]

Down South--I doubt that the ammo makers are "holding back", either--but they sure as hell aren't showing much initiative when it comes to serving a hungry market. I don't see much shrinkage of ammo demand--I believe that the growth in this hobby field is real AND permanent. The ammo makers need to crawl out of their air-conditioned cubicle farms once in a while and get a look at the real world. It does exist, and their ages-old production data are no longer relevant. These fools need to wake the hell up.

[oldred]

That fake Sandy Hook deal didn't work out for them so well .


Fake????? Are you for real? Think about what you are saying, how would you feel if one of your children had been a victim and some idiot was running around saying it was all fake! There was nothing FAKE about that senseless tragedy and it's an insult to those people to claim it was! To imply an incident of that magnitude could have been somehow faked would mean all the news services and thousands of people would have had to conspired to perpetuate such a hoax! That incident happened and there was no government conspiracy to mass murder children just to get gun laws passed, to think otherwise is sheer stupidity!!!!!

[Down South]

Down South--I doubt that the ammo makers are "holding back", either--but they sure as hell aren't showing much initiative when it comes to serving a hungry market. I don't see much shrinkage of ammo demand--I believe that the growth in this hobby field is real AND permanent. The ammo makers need to crawl out of their air-conditioned cubicle farms once in a while and get a look at the real world. It does exist, and their ages-old production data are no longer relevant. These fools need to wake the hell up.

I agree that the ammo demand will continue to be over the norm from now on as compared to pre Sandy Hook. I also agree that the ammo makers need to gear up to meet that demand. I did read that one manufacture was working on new production lines but I don't remember which one it was now. I tried a quick search but I don't have time to do a detailed search.
I did write Wolf an email requesting information on how they were handling the current ammo shortage and what their plans may be to meet future ammo demands.

[9.3X62AL]

Sandy Hook was DEFINITELY NOT "fake". Before I excoriate Swamp Man or others for such claims, I would ask for some clarification of commentary in this vein. The .gov's response to the tragedy was artificial and ineffective in any substantive way, and the citizen blow-back to attempts at further gun control weren't the least bit "fake" either.

Down South, Sandy Hook and the reaction thereto is only a small part of why I believe the ammo and component makers are all wet. The true size of the market has expanded significantly, and the ancient supply line that services the end users has largely collapsed. The market is not demand-driven in any true sense, but far more like "supplier-limited" for reasons unrelated to demand and suited to maker convenience. Think early 1970s Detroit automakers here--building **** cars and shoving them down our throats until foreign competition forced the corpulent SOBs to get real and build what people wanted--instead of what Detroit wanted to build.

[oldred]

I would be the last person to defend the Government's reaction, rather I would be the first to condemn the obvious attempt to capitalize on that tragedy and take advantage of the grieving relatives pain in order to push their anti-gun agenda. However for someone to call the incident "fake" and insinuate that it either never happened and was staged or that it did happen and the Government was behind it is total non-sense and to say that either scenario is true on this forum reflects badly on all of us! That kind of conspiracy garbage has no place on ANY forum for intelligent discussion and to talk non-sense like that is an insult and a slap in the face to those unfortunate people that this happened to. Like I said earlier how would these "conspiracy pushers" feel if it were their child that had been killed and then read posts on a forum where people claimed it was "fake"? This was an awful tragedy and we should have enough respect for the victims and their families not to post trash like that.

[Swamp Man]

Fake????? Are you for real? Think about what you are saying, how would you feel if one of your children had been a victim and some idiot was running around saying it was all fake! There was nothing FAKE about that senseless tragedy and it's an insult to those people to claim it was! To imply an incident of that magnitude could have been somehow faked would mean all the news services and thousands of people would have had to conspired to perpetuate such a hoax! That incident happened and there was no government conspiracy to mass murder children just to get gun laws passed, to think otherwise is sheer stupidity!!!!! I guess you haven't keep up on everything with this Shandy Hook thing. There was some staged actors that were playing the victims families that's been proven to have shown up in other faked government crimes. Believe what you wish to believe from the government that's your choice everyone has a right to their opinion.

[w0fms]

I think different Wal-Marts handle it differently. I always look when I'm there for other reasons-- and to the point where I have gotten to be friendly with a couple of the managers since they see me in the department looking every time. I was actually buying some CLP because I was out one day, and mentioned that at least they finally "got some of that back in" as there was a run on supplies like that too (believe it or not). The manager kid said that their store decided to randomly put a box of ammo out once in awhile because of the flippers. I said, "well I do appreciate that". About 45 seconds after I stopped talking to the guy, a 100 rd value pack of 9mm Federal appeared on the shelf in front of me for the normal $21 price. So if you were wondering exactly how long 100 rds of cheap 9mm lasts on the shelf of a suburban Wal-Mart in Eastern Iowa: I counted four seconds.

At the time I actually kinda needed it. Now I'm setup to cast 9mm so I'm a lot better off. The backorder from Midway on the mold wasn't quite there and no plated/FMJ was to be found anywhere in 125+ gr .355

It pays to be polite to everyone when you can.

I think the problem with Sandy Hook, BTW wasn't that it was staged. It is an unfortunate fact of life that everything has risks, especially freedom. Those kids were and still are FAR more likely to die on the bus on the way to school and even get struck by lightning statistically.. (don't get started about abortion either, though I'd say "legally" I'm am "pro-choice" whatever that means, it's still morally wrong) what's been staged-- like nearly everything else in the last 15 years is the government's policy reaction. I don't know about you guys but I fear the commute to work more than even public ranges on a weekend.. ;)

Hopefully we will eventually "wake up" and get back to being productive, worrying about things that matter. But I'm not counting on it.

[oldred]

I guess you haven't keep up on everything with this Shandy Hook thing. There was some staged actors that were playing the victims families that's been proven to have shown up in other faked government crimes. Believe what you wish to believe from the government that's your choice everyone has a right to their opinion.



Governments "OTHER" faked crimes? Are you people for real? You are saying our Government is guilty of murdering school children? Do you have any idea how posting garbage like that reflects on us as a group of gun enthusiasts on this forum? There is no place here for ridiculous nonsense like that! I am well aware that there were unscrupulous people trying to take advantage of the situation for whatever their reasons just as there are at any other tragic event that makes big news, there's nothing new about that, it has happened before and will happen again. That however has nothing to do with calling this a "faked" incident which is just plain disrespectful to the victims and their families. As to your comment that I can believe what I wish just exactly what do you believe? Do you honestly believe the Government was behind the murder of those children? It's nothing short of sheer stupidity to believe something like that! The Government is certainly guilty of trying to take advantage of the situation to push their agenda but that's a far cry from murder!



The anti gun forces would like nothing better than to portray all gun owners and groups as "conspiracy theory nut cases" and accusing the Government of master-minding the murdering of school children and/or faking such high profile crimes is just the kind of ammunition they need! The Sandy Hook incident was NOT faked and it was NOT perpetuated by the U.S. Government in order to get gun laws passed! The Government DID try and take advantage but the act itself was carried out by a depraved individual and all of us should be ashamed to have conspiracy nonsense posted on this forum, nonsense that's an insult to the memory of the victims and to the families.

[9.3X62AL]

Some of the anti-government frothing that shows up online IS way over the top. Though I once worked for the County, I'm no fan of .gov, but we need to be reasonable about their shenanigans if we are going to counter such moves effectively. Use common sense in assessing all that your read online and in MSM, give it the "sniff test"--if there's an odor to it, there could be a good reason for that decomposition.

On the other hand, it gives me considerable comfort to know from years of experience in and around .gov that most of their agencies can't put together a retirement party for a mid-level clerk-typist without private sector assistance. So much for megalithic and monstrous.

Just trying to keep it all real.

[oldred]

Some of the anti-government frothing that shows up online IS way over the top. Though I once worked for the County, I'm no fan of .gov, but we need to be reasonable about their shenanigans if we are going to counter such moves effectively. Use common sense in assessing all that your read online and in MSM, give it the "sniff test"--if there's an odor to it, there could be a good reason for that decomposition.

On the other hand, it gives me considerable comfort to know from years of experience in and around .gov that most of their agencies can't put together a retirement party for a mid-level clerk-typist without private sector assistance. So much for megalithic and monstrous.

Just trying to keep it all real.



Exactly, and well stated.

And some of it is waaaay over the top! There is little doubt (actually no doubt in my mind) that some people high (VERY high) in the Government tried to take advantage of the situation at Sandy Hook and use it to further their anti-gun propaganda and those that participated in that should be ashamed but they did it just the same. On the flip side of that those that spout the Government conspiracy to fake, or even perpetuate, that awful crime are doing exactly the same thing by using the same tactics! Accusing the Government of criminal involvement at Sandy Hook or other crime scenes is no different than those who used the real crime to attempt to push their agenda.

[Uncle R.]

Governments "OTHER" faked crimes? Are you people for real? You are saying our Government is guilty of murdering school children? Do you have any idea how posting garbage like that reflects on us as a group of gun enthusiasts on this forum? There is no place here for ridiculous nonsense like that! I am well aware that there were unscrupulous people trying to take advantage of the situation for whatever their reasons just as there are at any other tragic event that makes big news, there's nothing new about that, it has happened before and will happen again. That however has nothing to do with calling this a "faked" incident which is just plain disrespectful to the victims and their families. As to your comment that I can believe what I wish just exactly what do you believe? Do you honestly believe the Government was behind the murder of those children? It's nothing short of sheer stupidity to believe something like that! The Government is certainly guilty of trying to take advantage of the situation to push their agenda but that's a far cry from murder!



The anti gun forces would like nothing better than to portray all gun owners and groups as "conspiracy theory nut cases" and accusing the Government of master-minding the murdering of school children and/or faking such high profile crimes is just the kind of ammunition they need! The Sandy Hook incident was NOT faked and it was NOT perpetuated by the U.S. Government in order to get gun laws passed! The Government DID try and take advantage but the act itself was carried out by a depraved individual and all of us should be ashamed to have conspiracy nonsense posted on this forum, nonsense that's an insult to the memory of the victims and to the families.

So - you're confident that your version of "fact" is unimpeachable, and those who don't agree with you are wrong?
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You're confident that our government and their lapdog media that you got your "facts" from wouldn't lie to us, haven't lied to us, and (especially) haven't lied about any details of this case to further their own agenda?
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You're confident that our government and the politicians who run it would not kill innocent people to further their own power or their own agenda? You're confident they never have?
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Or is it just that killing children is too far over the line, too evil to contemplate, and although they may be liars and criminals and killers they would never go that far? Does your confidence in their innocence come from a refusal to believe that even politicians could be THAT evil?
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I apologize if my questions make you uncomfortable, but I'd really like to know the answers. It would help me to understand where you're coming from.
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Uncle R.

[Down South]

There is little doubt (actually no doubt in my mind) that some people high (VERY high) in the Government tried to take advantage of the situation at Sandy Hook and use it to further their anti-gun propaganda
I could have told you that this would happen the moment that I heard about it and I said so in a thread just after it went down.


and those that participated in that should be ashamed but they did it just the same.

Many of these people have no shame. They will use whatever they can to push their agenda. If it involves tragedy, innocent people, they won't hesitate. I would not be surprised if some of these people didn't jump up and cheer when they heard the news of Sandy Hook. They were waiting, hoping, maybe even praying to the god of this world that something like this would happen.

[oldred]

So - you're confident that your version of "fact" is unimpeachable, and those who don't agree with you are wrong?
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You're confident that our government and their lapdog media that you got your "facts" from wouldn't lie to us, haven't lied to us, and (especially) haven't lied about any details of this case to further their own agenda?
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You're confident that our government and the politicians who run it would not kill innocent people to further their own power or their own agenda? You're confident they never have?
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Or is it just that killing children is too far over the line, too evil to contemplate, and although they may be liars and criminals and killers they would never go that far? Does your confidence in their innocence come from a refusal to believe that even politicians could be THAT evil?
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I apologize if my questions make you uncomfortable, but I'd really like to know the answers. It would help me to understand where you're coming from.
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Uncle R.



You bet I'm confident of it and so is anyone else with any reasonable intelligence!

THINK about what it is you're saying here and how it sounds to the community! This is an insult not only to the victims and their families but an embarrassment to most in the shooting community! This is nothing more than "nut case" conspiracy nonsense and we should be above that! our Government conspired to murder children in our schools? Or at least conspired to fake such a crime and managed to get away with hiding something of that magnitude because the news services went along with it? I said it earlier and I didn't stutter, that's STUPIDITY!

[Swamp Man]

You bet I'm confident of it and so is anyone else with any reasonable intelligence!

THINK about what it is you're saying here and how it sounds to the community! This is an insult not only to the victims and their families but an embarrassment to most in the shooting community! This is nothing more than "nut case" conspiracy nonsense and we should be above that! our Government conspired to murder children in our schools? Or at least conspired to fake such a crime and managed to get away with hiding something of that magnitude because the news services went along with it? I said it earlier and I didn't stutter, that's STUPIDITY! That's you opinion and you have a right to it. However I'm no government clone that's lead by anything they put out. Has the government told you yet that they are trying to put our country under U.N. muslim law,because we all know everything they say is the truth right? I don't have time to try to wake up the blind followers of the government because they never want to hear the truth.

[Uncle R.]

You bet I'm confident of it and so is anyone else with any reasonable intelligence!

THINK about what it is you're saying here and how it sounds to the community! This is an insult not only to the victims and their families but an embarrassment to most in the shooting community! This is nothing more than "nut case" conspiracy nonsense and we should be above that! our Government conspired to murder children in our schools? Or at least conspired to fake such a crime and managed to get away with hiding something of that magnitude because the news services went along with it? I said it earlier and I didn't stutter, that's STUPIDITY!

I wanted to be sure that I understood you correctly and you made things very clear. Thanks for your reply.
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Uncle R.

[oldred]

A bit of common sense would go a long way here, even if there are people in our Government insane enough to do something like that it would still be impossible for them to carry out such an act, if our law structure has decayed to that point our Government would have fallen long ago. If you want to believe in that kind of nonsense and that thousands of people in the news service are in a big conspiracy with the Government to murder children then that makes quite a bit clear about you also! Believe what you like but out of respect for the victims and their families think seriously about what it is you are inferring.

[white eagle]

haven't bought loaded ammo in years
best of luck to ya

[perotter]

I guess some people don't read the news very often. Except maybe the sports page.

http://droneswatch.org/2013/01/20/list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen/

http://www.salon.com/2010/11/28/fbi_8/

1+1=possible

[oldred]

I guess some people don't read the news very often. Except maybe the sports page.

http://droneswatch.org/2013/01/20/list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen/

http://www.salon.com/2010/11/28/fbi_8/








And some of us don't bother with the "tin foil hat" variety of news.

[9.3X62AL]

Most news--regardless of sourcing--is garbage. Facts and reason don't sell ad copy.......bleeding and sex crimes is the big market driver. There are far more pimps and whores in media than in prostitution.

[Uncle R.]

Most news--regardless of sourcing--is garbage. Facts and reason don't sell ad copy.......bleeding and sex crimes is the big market driver. There are far more pimps and whores in media than in prostitution.

There is much wisdom in that statement.
So think about it - and ask yourself where do you get your information?
If what you wrote is true, how can you be confident that you know what happened at that school?
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Uncle R.

[Swamp Man]

Agenda 21 for it to work the people must be disarmed at any and all cost. For those that are still blind to this NWO plan it was said best by CCR Long as I can see the light.

[Down South]

Have you ever been involved in a situation that made the national news? I mean, really know what went down, in the middle of it. Then have you watched the news and hear their take on it. You will get surprised by how they can spin the facts to make it sound like they want it to.

[Dale in Louisiana]

I watched TWO national news stories in 2005: Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita.

I had crews in the Katrina footprint trying to put the infrastructure and the petrochemical plants back together, and a month later I watched my own home disappear from Hurricane Rita.

And on the national news, ALL you saw, 24/7, was the poor people of New Orleans. Almost nothing of the Mississippi Gulf Coast or the Louisiana-Texas coast, because we didn't fit the media's agenda of discrediting President Bush by any means available.

Do I trust the national media? NO!

And now, do I trust the government? NO!

And after finding out that the Justice Department sent paid operatives to Sanford, Florida to gen up racial strife in the Zimmerman case, I would certainly NOT put it past them to commit any crime that they could to push their agenda, and the mainstream media will take its talking points from the White House in reporting it.

dale in Louisiana

[oldred]

The news media will report what it deems the most "news worthy", that is whatever they think will draw the biggest crowd and thus the highest ratings. To think the news media with all the people involved could be coerced into covering up Government involvement in either perpetuating a hoax at Sandy Hook (or god forbid, being the cause of it) is just irrational thinking, that would be the story of the millennium! It's highly unlikely the news media ignored certain events on orders from the Government during Katrina but rather they played to an audience and presented what they thought the most people would watch, RATINGS mean a heck of a lot more to the news media than actual news!

[Uncle R.]

So - given all that's written here about the news media - how can you be confident that you know what happened at that school?

[jcwit]

Boy has this ever gone off top topic from the OP.




Another Walmart and no ammo story

I was in Wally World a week or two ago in the early morning and I was talking with a fellow standing in line waiting for the cashier. I was in to get 4 small propane tanks for my propane stove as that is what I use to melt lead. Interesting guy to say the least. He works at the Walmart distribution center and he personally sent out 17 skids of ammo to the stores, my local wally world in Logan was one of the recipients of ammo. He stopped in to sporting goods and there was no ammo on the shelf. He brought the assistant manager to the register and asked him why there was no ammo on the shelves for the customers. He told the Asst. Mgr. there was ammo sent to his store that morning. The Asst. Mgr. just shrugged his shoulders and said nothing.

This tells me pretty much what I have known for months and months...... that the employees and their families are getting notified that ammo has arrived and it is sold before it gets to the shelf. The other day I strolled by sporting goods and there were two boxes of Winchester .45 auto on the shelf, a couple boxes of .270 rifle ammo and 6 boxes of some oddball 6.8 caliber ammo.
Ohio Rusty ><>

[Uncle R.]

Boy has this ever gone off top topic from the OP.

You're right about that and it appears that I owe the OP an apology for participating in the hijack. I guess I just couldn't resist what I saw as an opportunity to get people thinking about epistemology or maybe metaphysics.
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So many are convinced they know the facts about this or that issue but never question why they believe specific things, or where that "information" came from. I confess it's one of my pet theories that if you can get people to ask themselves "How do I know this is true?" you can help immunize them to the deception, spin and BS that clouds our world today. I consider helping people spot deception as striking a blow for freedom, since those who would rule us use deception as one of their tools to get and maintain control.
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Anyway - my apologies again to the OP.
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Uncle R.

[9.3X62AL]

I too share in the blame for the thread hijack, and my apologies to the O/P for my part of same.

I can understand how such freq drift occurs, though--we as firearms owners and hobbyists have (for as long as I can remember) been an embattled segment of society. Politicians blame US for the evil perpetrated with firearms, when in fact it is a collapsed mental health system that is more truly at fault. Sandy Hook--Columbine--Stockton--Oslo--NONE of these atrocities were the acts of rational people. Yet their occurrence gets stacked in our column simply because we own the tools, the possession of which IN FACT might be the single-best means to counter such occurrences.

In the midst of this idiocy, our own supply chain that helps us (?) enjoy our tools goes AWOL and predatory azzhats become the default distributors of ammo and components--off the tailgates of pickup trucks at 3X to 5X MSRP at times.

So I can see where folks get a "siege mentality" about depredations occurring from several directions, and one indicia of that development is freq drift as seen herein.

Swamp Man--I get it about how citizen disarmament could be the dream of some over-reaching demagogue that wished to seize the United States. So NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. There is that whole "A rifle behind every blade of grass" idea that was/was not stated by Isoroku Yamamoto (depends on which liar at Wikipedia you choose to believe), the architect of Pearl Harbor. Regardless who said it first, there is no denying its validity. And I truly do not see NG or other service units/personnel following any order to fire upon citizens en masse. Sooner or later, they gotta go home--and see the above about "blades of grass" having teeth. 15,000 Russian troops, coming to America? Hell, most of them will likely beat feet and seek asylum and citizenship, then vote Republican. As said earlier--keep it real. Most human nature is pretty darn predictable.

[Cosmiceyes]

15,000 Russian troops, coming to America? Hell, most of them will likely beat feet and seek asylum and citizenship, then vote Republican. As said earlier--keep it real. Most human nature is pretty darn predictable.[/QUOTE]
Can you imagine the money they would make on eBay selling their equipment. Buy a chain of Der-Wiener Schnitzels,and retire! They could by a house in Ok. for one sniper rifle! LMAO

[searcher4851]

270 is the only non-shotgun ammo at the walmart I frequent. (sorry if I got back on topic)