simple Hi-Tek coating

[gunoil]

First coat, ready for oven. Now a boolit is a bullet. Yes!
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/5ED6CC8B-6E48-4F93-A11D-0A0BBD5D743C-13419-00001140DEEDF35F_zpsceca6680.jpg

Mixing stuff
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My widdle oven' HamiltonBeach convection oven/K-mart/99bucks.
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I gonna luv this stuff, no lead no copper, no sticky stinking alox (unless recluse recipe) any more. Yay!
Course, i did order a 800 dollar magma star also,, guess iam hooked up.

[btroj]

800 dollars? What didn't you get on it?

[leadman]

I bought more of the Lee push thru dies and had Buckshot make me one for the Mak. I put them in the 4 hole turret for my Lee Classic Turret press and it is very fast to size the boolits. In this case I don't see where the Star would be any faster at sizing, maybe easier if you automate it.
I have been thinking of a way to automate my Lee but the issue is loading the boolit on the base punch. Don't want my fingers in there! Might turn it upside down like someone did here.
your work area is way to clean and neat.

[gunoil]

i shoot stuff from you leadman. Worked great.
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXbLxgJnBnI

Heres ya sizer idea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJOkb3RxrZE

Only reason iam going in pain for magma star is to also have conventional blue lube and future motor maybe. I love bigtime mechanical stuff. And offcourse the bullet feed .

Would be nice next year to have mrbulletfeeder.net running the hi-tek supercoat boolits thru it. Call me and i'll tell ya how to turn your loadmaster into a auto size machine. You want believe it. I can size hi-tek supercoat bullets after coated.


btroj: I have all they offer except for a motor.

[btroj]

Ok, that explains the cost.

[Ausglock]

Great stuff, Gunoil.
I cast and coated a few 100 45 and 9mm bullets yesterday.

I am trying a small sample of the blue/greem coating.
I mixed it 5 parts colour, 7 parts acetone and 1 part catalyst.
This is what they look like after coating the first time and before cooking.
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This is them after the first cook.
74332
and after the second coating cooked.74333
the 45 SWC don't have coating in the groove or where the nose joins the body of the bullet. HI-TEK Joe said that if the coating is in the groove, you are using too much.

The 45RN microgroove bullets got a first coat of red/copper and the second coat of the blue/green.
They actually came out great. they have a Camo type coating to them.
Camo coating
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More Camo coating.
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I think that if anyone has question or tips on using the HI-TEK Supercoating, they should ask them on this thread as the other thread is getting a bit long. If that is OK with you Gunoil?
There is the Piglet thread and the powdercoat thread, so hows about keeping this one for the HI-TEK Coating? Thoughts?

Thanks.

[gunoil]

Thats great idea. Iam sold on this and have plenty of time to help people with Hi-Tek Supercoat. I ran my first 50 (9mm) thru loadmaster. Really super simple! Hunt correct oven took a while. And makeing my wire racks a few hours. Thats it!

GATHERED UP THE MIX STUFF BELOW.
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I bought wire mesh from home depot and made large dry rack and installed mesh on oven racks with some twisted inch pieces of wire.
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[runfiverun]

while I am pretty sure this stuff works.
I ain't sold on it replacing proper fit and alloy selection for high velocity cast shooting.

i'm still watching though.

[leadman]

I cut the mesh larger than the racks and bent the sides up so the boolits don't roll off. I do have to move them a ways as I don't bak in the garage but outside due to the fumes. Then when baked I move them back into the garage and place them under the evaporative cooler to cool, which only takes a few minutes. I think I would drop too many boolits if I didn't turn up the sides.

[Gateway Bullets]

I like your results gunoil. After doing a ton of research and then doing even more, I'm also sold on the product. I have started importing it and will be using it exclusively for my coating. It's very difficult to ignore over 20 years of data usage and success.

[gunoil]

R5R, u want a few 9's or 45's for the second time. You can load em up. You get near this you'll be sold.

Leadman, i dont shake as bad as you do. Think i do have contact high.

Yep, gateway. Its like christmas round here. What i like is , you can slosh ya cool whip container & throw out on rack 500 or 1000 then come back a day later and bake. Or keep process going while i am reloading or washing brass. Time it with my iphone and go.

My re-aranged area, all ya need.
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[runfiverun]

9's and 45's I have 5 gallon buckets full of, that are sized/lubed and waiting to be loaded.

it's cast in rifles at 24-2500fps with accuracy that i'm looking at.
I just can't justify adding another process unless it has those type of capability's.

it does have some other possibility's if the thickness can be controlled
to say .001
I appreciate the offer though.

oh one more question. how does the scrap melt back down when you reclaim it?

i'm not knocking the process, i'm curious about the whole thing.

[gunoil]

I threw on bullet back in the pot, junk just laying on top, i dont flux.

Why dont you call donnie and order a small amount. Coat your 223 with this and shoot, no gas checks[correction/with gas checks]. All i had to buy was a convection toaster oven.

What do your rifles shoot? You have a 223 mold i guess?

[runfiverun]

I designed JT's 223 mold so yeah I have one or two.
I mainly push them in the 2700fps area right now, but adding another .001 to them wouldn't hurt in one of my rifles.
i'm working on H/V in a 10 twist 308 right now but it won't chamber if I add any more diameter over the as cast diameter.

I have been waiting for the gold colored stuff to come for a while now.

[btroj]

I too am intrigued but haven't decided I want another process to contend with.

What keeps the bullets from sticking together or to the screen when cooked? Can a large batch be processed, dried, then baked together?

Doing 25 at a time is a big negative to me

[Ausglock]

I too am intrigued but haven't decided I want another process to contend with.

What keeps the bullets from sticking together or to the screen when cooked? Can a large batch be processed, dried, then baked together?

Doing 25 at a time is a big negative to me

G'day. When you apply the coating, you lay them out on a drying tray/rack for 1/2hour. the bullets are dry after this. they do not stick together. I will fill my trays (12"x12") with 300 9mm bullets at a time. when they have finished cooking, they are rolling around the tray. no sticking or contact marks at all.

I have 4 drying trays and 4 cooking trays. That way I can keep track of where I'm up to.
The commercial caster/coaters in OZ use trays similar to what bakers use. They coat in cement mixers a few 1000 at a time and them spread the bullets out on these large trays to dry. They might have 50,000 drying at any one time. Then they cook in a moving Buger king type oven.

So large quantities at one time are no problem.

The convection ovens are cheap and do a great job. I coated 4000 9mm and 45 bullets last night ( 2 coats) in 1 1/2 hours. That is why I have 8 trays. when one is cooked, another is ready to go straight in the oven. no waiting.
Tonight I'm going to size these and then get some more alloy ready to cast the following night.
My missus says that she has become a bullet widow :-)

[gunoil]

My first nite, First nite, Newbie!
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U know the white bullet boxes, they hold a 1000 9mm.
You have alox'ed before, same, but shake-n-bake. But its what your left with is the "kind" to your barrel and your reload system, whatever brand you use. With 6 shots, it cleaned out 60% of lead in my barrel. I can and totally cleaned barrel because on that particular pistol, i will only shoot hi-Tek supercoat. And when i get caught up, my xds45 too! I shoot 380/9/45,, my 380 mold is a CNC shop.

I want some blue ones mate, they sell blue in USA?

[btroj]

G'day. When you apply the coating, you lay them out on a drying tray/rack for 1/2hour. the bullets are dry after this. they do not stick together. I will fill my trays (12"x12") with 300 9mm bullets at a time. when they have finished cooking, they are rolling around the tray. no sticking or contact marks at all.

I have 4 drying trays and 4 cooking trays. That way I can keep track of where I'm up to.
The commercial caster/coaters in OZ use trays similar to what bakers use. They coat in cement mixers a few 1000 at a time and them spread the bullets out on these large trays to dry. They might have 50,000 drying at any one time. Then they cook in a moving Buger king type oven.

So large quantities at one time are no problem.

The convection ovens are cheap and do a great job. I coated 4000 9mm and 45 bullets last night ( 2 coats) in 1 1/2 hours. That is why I have 8 trays. when one is cooked, another is ready to go straight in the oven. no waiting.
Tonight I'm going to size these and then get some more alloy ready to cast the following night.
My missus says that she has become a bullet widow :-)

No need to worry if they are in contact when drying?

Interesting.

I can certainly understand the appeal. Ease of use makes a big difference.

Are they sized after baking? Before coating?

Hmmmmm

[Ausglock]

I size after the 2 coats are applied and cooked.
But there is no reason why you can't size first (provided you don't use any sort of lube etc) and then coat. The coating only adds a few microns to the dia of the bullets.
I have tested some 45 bullets sized to .452 and measured with micrometer .4522 2 coats then brought the size to .4523.

When you apply the wet coating, you tumble the bullets and the coating in a bucket to spread the coating over the bullets. you can actually hear a change in the rattle the bullets make as the coating starts to dry (15 to 25 seconds). this is when you tip them onto the drying trays and leave for 1/2 hour. The bullets do not stick to anything.

It is harder to tell how to do it than it is to do it. So simple and easy.

[Ausglock]

My first nite, First nite, Newbie!
I want some blue ones mate, they sell blue in USA?

The blue coating actually comes out an Emerald Green after cooking.
Just think how happy the enviro-Nazis will be when you tell them you are shooting Green bullets. :-)

Saving the planet one bullet at a time.......

[Case Stuffer]

Two part video whichshows complete process

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=hi-tek%20coating%20&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVev KJgHseWc&ei=rqDHUaamKZPC9gTcroDQCg&usg=AFQjCNGomTeAe2XMsirqx7fcoTztXC9okw&bvm=bv.48293060,d.eWU

[btroj]

Thanks guys. A video is often worth a million words. A good video at least

[Gateway Bullets]

Originally Posted by gunoil
My first nite, First nite, Newbie!
I want some blue ones mate, they sell blue in USA?


Hi-Tek is currently working on blue. He said he is having a problem with the pigment being consistent and will not release it until it is perfect.

[leadman]

I sized some 41 cal boolits to .410" yesterday and then coated 3 times with the Red Copper. Red Copper has alot of solids in it and it added .002" to .003" to the boolits.
I have a brand new Saeco 41 cal mold that casts undersized so I am going to test it with Carnuba Red and Hi-Tek to see if the Hi-Tek coating will be sufficent to make a larger boolit. I did contact Redding about this mold and they said it could be up to 6 weeks if they had to cut another one.
I have the 30cal boolits cast of linotype ready to load so hopefully I can load and get to the range Wednesday when it reopens. Supposed to be up to 117 degrees the end of this week!

Gunoil, Looking at your rack of boolits ready to go in the oven I can see where bending the sides up also allows about twice as many on the rack without falling off. Don't need much space between them to cook.

[Ausglock]

Leadman. I have a new Lyman 452374 2 cavity that throws small (.450) the red/copper brought the size up to .452 with 2 coats. sized to .452 and now shoots fine. before they leaded and very inaccurate. The blue/green coating has far less solids in it.

[gunoil]

yea leadman, iam like Monk a lil'.

[Ausglock]

yea leadman, iam like Monk a lil'.

Like a Monk???? is your name Friar Tuck? Is you best buddy named Robin Hood?? :-)

hahahaha..

Gunoil...Mate... Stop sniffin the coating.. Don't do drugs, Son... :-)

[HI-TEK]

Hi-Tek is currently working on blue. He said he is having a problem with the pigment being consistent and will not release it until it is perfect.

The elusive Blue.
Still working on it.
Just spent megabucks on equipment so I can try and produce a blue or two.
I hope my boss does not find out the moneys I am blowing with this project. lol.
I wonder why, any one would want a blue???

[Ausglock]

Bugger Blue. I want a red. Not a green or black or blue or gold or a copper or a yellow.

[HI-TEK]

Bugger Blue. I want a red. Not a green or black or blue or gold or a copper or a yellow.


There is a secret, hush, hush activity, to also end up with a Red. But what coloured Red, it is still a mistery until it is unsheathed.

[gunoil]

No trevor, Iam talking bout "monk" the tv show.

[Ausglock]

No trevor, Iam talking bout "monk" the tv show.

Don't watch too much TV.
Too Busy casting and Coating.. WoooooHooooooo [smilie=w:

[gunoil]

Ya know, in the USA, you can buy 1/2 liter kit for 36 bucks$, plus fedex. Cant loose. Bayoubullets.net

[Ausglock]

Coated 1000 9mm 125gr Rn last night with the HI-TEK extreme Catalyst instead of the normal catalyst.
2 coats and the bullets are so slippery that you have trouble picking them up. Your fingers slip off them, they are that slippery.

They glide through the sizer die with little effort.

here is a trick. get a bucket full of your favourite bullets and try to push your finger into them to the bottom of the of the bucket.
The HI-TEK supercoated bullets will let you get almost a full finger of depth. with the Extreme catalyst it is easy to get all the way to the bottom.
They are that slippery.
I'd be interested to see how people go doing this with the powder coated bullets, Just for Grins an Giggles...

I have casters here in the local area ringing me and wanting to know if I will coat their bullets for them. It would be possible, But I'm not sure if it would pay. I'd rather they get their own coating setup and do it themselves.

[gunoil]

Oh now i'll be waiting on extreme cat..

What time is it there?

[Dryball]

After much deliberation I'm going to place an order later. I'm excited to say the least. For those of you who have been using this stuff I have a couple questions...1. does this eliminate the need for gas checks? 2. does this product allow the use of a "softer than normal" boolit? For instance, could I use plain WW's for .357 instead of sweatening with tin or lino?

p.s. I can't wait to get rid of my luber!

[leadman]

Dryball, I will be testing some 180gr RFN 357 mag tomorrow, with and without gas checks. Also have the higher velocity 30-06 180gr boolits to test.
I have shot 30cal 180gr 8 BHN boolits with a gas check to 1,950 fps with good results. The boolits for tomorrows test are cast of linotype.

[Ausglock]

Dryball.
I have been making 150gr RN bullets for 357Mag (handgun) out of 11BHN range lead. Fired in a Desert Eagle with a case full of Win 296. accurate, no leading and no fouling of the gas port.

Gunoil. Time is relative. You can never have any spare. If you do, you are not casting or coating enough. :-)

[gunoil]

This family owns bayoubullets.net

Donnie fires ar15 full power with no gas checks.

Donnie is Jerrys brother! Jerry is a world champion. Tons of youtubes.

Jerry & Donnie bayoubullets.net

Just keep watching video after video on youtube, very educational!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qyqwOEu0w&feature=related

Dang, i been eyeing used 600$ 44 magnum @ jims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=CsLx5ISBXw4

[Love Life]

I'll be watching this one with great interest. Looks very easy and you can do large amounts of boolits. Looks like all you need are lee push through sizer dies for sizing after coating.

It also appears as if you still need to match the alloy to the application. Say heat treated boolits for higher end velocities. This coating also gives you the ability to increas the diameter of your boolits due to coating build up.

It has been touched on briefly, but what kind of fumes are given off if you melt these boolits down in a batch of range lead? Also, has anybody tried hollow points yet? I cast my hollowpoints out of 40:1 and I wonder if this would have an impact on expansion.

If I send somebody some soft hollowpoints, would you be interested in coating and shooting them into water jugs to see if the retard expansion?

[gunoil]

convection oven at kmart 44.00$

hi tek kit for 36$

What you skeeered of?

I ya dont want it sell it to me.

fumes on back porch are a non issue.

I got that 8 feet of wire mesh at home depot for 8$.

Want effect hp's.

Get to work.

[PodPeople]

convection oven at kmart 44.00$

Which oven is that? The cheapest one I see on Kmart's web site is $61.99.

[dbosman]

Curious.
The lowest price I found online for KMart is
Hamilton Beach 31331 Convection Toaster Oven at $56.99

and this one
Hamilton Beach 31512 Convection 6 Slice Toaster Oven at $50.61
http://www.sears.com/hamilton-beach-31512-convection-6-slice-toaster-oven/p-SPM6539981201?prdNo=41

[Ausglock]

Lovelife.
I do all my coating and cooking in my shed. Virtually no fumes from the oven. The only fumes come from the acetone when you are tumble coating the bullets and the acetone flashes off. It only takes 15 to 25 seconds, so don't breath. :-) smelted, cast and coated 1000 45 bullets last night. second coat goes on tonight.
It is an addiction.
I am casting just to have something to coat.
Melting down coated bullets from range lead is no problem. the coating just sits on top of the melt with the other scrap and can be scooped off. it does not burn, smoke or melt. the coating is basically inert.

[gunoil]

Mine was 99$ 31100 hamiltonbeach Bigger, not sure its needed, just doing one rack at a time , Dang!, i can do 1000 in no (how many do ya need) time. Iam not a match shooter, but i do shoot alot.

If i cook couple hours, i set my stuff on covered back deck. No fumes.

[DrewTenney]

You showed a pic of the mixing stuff... but what are they? Can't really tell from the pic. Also, what do you use to bake? You said outside, I was thinking reg oven before you said that. And if you are at Ft Bragg... I have cold beer and would love instruction on this... Just did my first batch with allox and had to wash my dies and hands for a good 30 minutes before I didn't smell it anymore!

[Valerko]

My first try
Used $25 Owen from Walmart
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh539/Valerko/null-10.jpg

[Valerko]

Even survived "hammer test"
http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh539/Valerko/null-11.jpg

[Ausglock]

Well done.
They look great.
Have you tired sizing them yet?
I found the microgroove bullets size easier than conventional groove bullets

[gunoil]

Drew, come over to the shop.

mike@harleykitplane.com

LMAO,, I'll free ya from alox. piece of cake. I know where the oven is at kmart. Wire mesh 8 dollars at home depot. I have staple air gun. Wood 10$.

[gunoil]

This stuffs great for those who do not want to cast boolits. Just buy bulk unsized,unlubed hard cast bullets from your favorite company at lower price,, then coat.. You can have the best boolits soon as UPS TRUCK pulls up with your cast boolits and beginner kit from bayoubullets.net

May be talking my self into a lil' of the above.

This is my kit 36$ plus fedex.
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Heres around 1500, 9's & 45acp
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[NTD]

Gunoil, I see a 1l for $68 but not the half liter $36 option on the website. Is that something I just need to email Donnie about?

[Valerko]

I don't size mine. They drop out of the mold close to .356 and had little bit of leading when using Alox. With HITec stuff , I've put 80 rounds thru my CZ and cleaned the barrel with bore brush in 3 strokes. Love it.

[gunoil]

NTD, yes just call him or email and pick your color. Ya may ask him about what ausglock is talking about, "extreme catilist".

Make sure you have a convection oven. A must according to the pros. 51$ to 106$ paid and out the door. I have that yard sell fan blowing on my dry rack.
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[HI-TEK]

NTD, yes just call him or email and pick your color. Ya may ask him about what ausglock is talking about, "extreme catilist".

Make sure you have a convection oven. A must according to the pros. 51$ to 106$ paid and out the door. I have that yard sell fan blowing on my dry rack.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/29131EC8-9D7D-4488-955E-AC1674A28612-13419-000011E22F25762F_zpsf3182818.jpg

Hi Gunoil

You seem to be well set up. Well done.
The extreme catalyst is a recipe that is used instead of normal catalyst, and used same way and at same addition rate as normal catalyst.
It is used, or should be used, and can be used, in your same coatings, and applied as a very thin top coat over last coat, and over the finish coat you make with normal catalyst.

Once heat cured, the top coat using Extreme catalyst, becomes so slippery, as reported by Ausglock, that projectile slips out of your fingers.
It makes sizing down over sized projectiles a breeze. Ausglock said that he can reduce sizing pressure nearly by half.
The reason not much is advertised about this stuff is, that it is much more expensive than normal catalyst, and on most applications it is not required as normal catalyst/coating will do the work.
Donnie has stocks but in limited amounts.
Just ask him about it and see what he advises.
HI-TEK

[Ausglock]

Just mixed up a new brew of Supercoat.
I went for 5 parts Red/copper, 1 part Extreme Catalyst and 7 parts Acetone.

I was having issues getting coating to the crimp groove of the Lee 358 150gr RN. I just coated and cooked the first coat of this brew. I used a bit more mix in the bucket when coating and this allowed the extra brew to get to the crimp groove. First coat has cooked a honey brown colour. will apply and cook the second coat tomorrow.

This mix ratio might be good for normal catalyst as well. I'll try some with the blue/green coating.

[Ausglock]

some of today's effort.
74808
this is with the 5,1,7, brew.
74809
74810
74811
74812
74813

[prickett]

Ausglock,
Those are gorgeous! I bet the typical bystander wouldn't know the difference between those and jacketed.

[dverna]

I am in the same mind set as r5r. Very interested but unwilling to jump in until I see more results. Let me explain:

From what I have read, it looks like this process (at least in the way it is being used by home casters) will do about 400-500/hr. Now that is "fast" if you are used to pan lubing or using a standard lubricator/sizer. I have a Star. So I can lube and size 800 bullets an hour with a small piece of equipment.

For 500 bullet batches (assuming oven will hold that many) Mix and apply first coat - 5 minutes, dry - 10 minutes, cook - 10 minutes, apply second coat - 5 minutes, dry - 10 minutes, cook - 10 minutes, size - 30 minutes. Total time = 80 minutes. 400/hr

By running multiple batches, you can do other operations during part of the drying/cooking - but the bottleneck is the oven - you need 40 minutes to do two batches coated twice. So, for two batches - mix and coating time 5 minutes (first batch only), drying time 10 minutes (first batch only), cooking time - 40 minutes, sizing time - 60 minutes. This yields 1000 bullets in about 115 minutes - 525/hr

So, this process is slower than a Star. In my case, I do not have a leading problem with pistol bullets, so what is the driver to change? If I am missing something, please educate me.

I would jump on this if it helped achieve better performance in rifle loads. Cost is of little concern and speed is of almost no concern. If it took 5 coats and I only produced 150 bullets per hour I would still be interested. BUT, that means pushing 2700 fps with accuracy.

This is not a criticism of Hy-Tek (or powder coating or pigglet coating) but an observation. Most of the work is being done with pistol bullets and I understand that. It is easier to work at 1000 fps or less, and more cast pistol bullets are used than rifle bullets. This process offers a significant increase in production over pan lubing or normal lubricators. Investment is low. I see it as a real "win" for a lot of bullet casters.

It is less (no??) interest for someone with a Star for producing pistol bullets. Again, if I am missing something - please let me know.

[Love Life]

I'd buy an el-cheapo (full size) electric oven off of craigslist and do much more volume. That would kill the star argument and a used electric stove/oven can be bought for less than a star.

I had a star, hated it, went back to traditional lubesizers.

Does anybody on here want to send me a sample of these boolits already coated sized to either .452 (45 acp) or something for the 9mm or 38 special?

I'll pay for your time and shipping.

[gunoil]

Alrite croc breath, quit showing off.

[Ausglock]

Ausglock,
Those are gorgeous! I bet the typical bystander wouldn't know the difference between those and jacketed.

G'day, Prickett.
Thanks. They are actually a lighter colour than in the photos. The red/copper is almost jacketed colour.
The Green is also lighter. like an Emerald/ RCBS green.

[Ausglock]

dverna.
Yesterday I produced 4500 9mm and 45 bullets.

Multi tasking is the key to higher production. My oven is similar in size to Gunoil's.
My trays are 12"x12" and I have 8 of them. 4 are for drying and 4 are for cooking.
When a cook is in, I have the other trays either drying or waiting for the oven. I am also sizing the finished bullets at the same time and using the hair dryer to "set" the coating just before entering the oven. when a cook comes out, it is left to cool while the next tray is cooking. when this tray comes out, the first tray is cool enough to re-coat and let dry.

It is harder to describe than do.
I will never go back to lubesizing.
The Lyman 450 and the RCBS LAM2 are now mothballed. I'm using the lube sticks to flux my melts.

[Ausglock]

Alrite croc breath, quit showing off.

:bigsmyl2::bigsmyl2::bigsmyl2:

[gunoil]

dverna, easy to do a thousand, but I dont do one thing in the shop. I will coat some, run loadmaster or classic. I might be washing brass or casting while coating as i did today. Your barrel will prob be even cleaner. I have a eight hundred dollar magma star lubsizer coming very soon because i size supercoat. I have had blue lube MS boolits before but would use these anyday. I thought about cancelling my lube,heater. You can speed loadlubesizer but you still have lubed boolits and aggravation. I am planning motor on my MS with no lube. But not at first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXbLxgJnBnI

Dverna, it is hard to explain this stuff, 36 bucks plus fedex, come on!

Sometimes ya just want to cook on the covered deck with my angel roof.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/CDA3493B-EF51-469D-8B0C-3B4822CCADAC-19482-000015CED3271ED8_zps9973c05a.jpg

"Ta" to you ausglock.

[prickett]

Ausglock - what mould is the 9 TC?

Looks like the Lee 9mm TC mould.

[leadman]

I did get to the range and got over 2,550 fps in my 30-06 with a 180 gr linotype gas checked boolit. Accuracy did start to fall off after about 2,450 fps. The bore is .3085" and I had sized these to .309" but I may size them larger and try it again. There was not even a hint of leading in the '06. The last load was 50grs of IMR 4350 and it was max for the 100 plus degree temperature when I was shooting. I had to soak my hankerchief with water and lay it on the barrel after 9 rounds otherwise it would not cool down in 15 minutes.

I also fired the Lee 160-312- boolit in my SKS with a .3135" bore. Boolits were sized to .314" and gas checked. I hit 1,950 fps average and 1.20" group for 5 shots at 50 yards with iron sights. No leading and bore was very clean. This is a very hot load with primers starting to flatten and case expanding and extra half thousandths.

My S&W 27-2 also got to play firing the Saeco 180gr RFN with and without GCs. The velocity was almost 1,200 fps without the GC, 1,150fps with the GC. Accuracy was better with the GC at about 1.5" at 25 yards. This gun has a small bore at .3565" and large cylinder throats with most .358" and one .359". The boolits were sized .358" and I did get some leading after firing one 6 shot group. I fired 4 groups with no leading with the rest. Don't know what to blame that on but probably not the coating. The lead was actually a ring that came came out on the patch so maybe the nose was cut by the forcing cone? The nose is full diameter just up from the crimp groove on this boolit.

[Ausglock]

Ausglock - what mould is the 9 TC?

Yep. and it shoots great. But the surprise was the Lee .358 105gr SWC. My mate cast and coated some of these and sized to .356. He fired them today in his SVI 9mm. bloody great little pill and accurate. 2 coats of HI-TEK blue/green.

I shot the SVI Racegun with 125gr coated pills at Major power factor 38 Supercomp shooting Steel Challenge. nice and clean and no fouling in the compensator.

[redrockant]

Trev's right the little 105gr SWC are a great little pill. I put 200 through both my Spartan and SVI both came out squeeky clean. Both my coats were a little light on because I used a lot of acetone but as Trev said "bloody accurate" and no leading

[bmiller]

Ausglock, everyone that reads the Internet knows you can't shoot lead through a comp gun. Ha ha just kidding! My suppressor gets here in a month or so, I can't wait to try 230 grain lees with it in my 300 blackout!

[Ausglock]

Ausglock, everyone that reads the Internet knows you can't shoot lead through a comp gun. Ha ha just kidding!
Yeah. Funny about that. Why pay for jacketed when coated is far better. And no copper fouling in the barrel either.

[altheating]

Is anyone using this coating for 22 cal boolits? Just wondering if it will hold up to 2700 -2800 fps.

[gunoil]

Yes with gas checks. 3 coats. Yippee! cheap 223 projectiles.

[prickett]

Trev's right the little 105gr SWC are a great little pill. I put 200 through both my Spartan and SVI both came out squeeky clean. Both my coats were a little light on because I used a lot of acetone but as Trev said "bloody accurate" and no leading

I tried this round and found it didn't feed reliably in my P226, CZ75 or Taurus PT99. So, if considering this round, try it before committing to it.

[gunoil]

So prickett, you going to coal fired bullets in stead of lube? Be careful, ya my see purple Roo's and yellow croc's. Other than that the coal fired supercoat is great.

prickett, ive shot a ton of 105 in sig 938 and db9. That mold wore out, i had a custom mold made to pick (makarov nose 111 gr and no lube grooves) up monday finally. I had bought 135 gr rnf from Al @ NOE. Its great.

[Ausglock]

Ausglock - thanks. Just picked up an XDs in 9 and will be looking for a mould for it. Got some 115 FMJ to start with + some Xtreme LRN. I prefer the T/C I think in the 124ish range but might consider the 100 if I can find them. I'll probably go to Accurate (or NOE) for the mould. May even get a redo of my Lee RD.

The Lee 120Con cast at 122gr with 50/50 Lino/Pure lead. 16 BHN (Tested).

I realy wish Lee would add more bullet designs to their list. I want a 6 cavity 168gr RN .357 with no lube groove. A 135gr RN .357 and a 145gr RN in .358 and a 45 230gr RN (like the lyman 452374). I wonder if they realize that we are now in the 21st century and bullet designs and needs have changed.

HI-TEK was saying that he is working on a new Black coating. I really like black bullets in nickel cases. They look sweet. He also said that Bayou Bullets has a small supply of his 500 super mold release agent. This stuff is fantastic. If you want some, you better be quick.

[gunoil]

Roo breath, l@@kee here!
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/43F96F6C-5419-46AC-A7FA-4D88C8020D75-21548-0000167902DAB82B_zps01274440.mp4

9mm coal fired boolits. Red-copper hi-tek supercoat from the land downunder, wizard of OZ.

Send that pretty witch over here, and keep the dog and them Munskins a while.

[Love Life]

Hopefully I'll be trying out some of these coated bullets soon. From everything I have read they are exactly what people say they are. A great product!! Once I try out the bullets I will order some of the coating. Once I get it nailed down I will be selling off my lubesizers and getting some lee push through dies!!

From what I have read though, you still need to match the alloy to the application in the higher speed/pressure cartridges. I bet straight Lino or 50/50 Lino/Pure would be the bee's knees for my old 8X57.

[gunoil]

Check this out, upside down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJOkb3RxrZE

I already turned my RCBS upside down. MUCH BETTER WITH NOSE DOWN DROPS, THEY FALL RIGHT IN! Trying to figure out how to hook mrbulletfeeder.net to it. Just the drop die. I have MBF drop die. A MBF whole unit is 500 bucks but die could drop one at a time with lever action.

[Ausglock]

Yep. I have a Lee C press mounted upside down. really easy to feed them in.
I hook a bucket over the die to catch them in.

[gunoil]

1)i bought a NOE blank mold from Al.
2) took to local CNC shop to cut 4 holes
3) no lube rings
4) makarov nose but for 380
5) i size them after hi-tek @ .355
6)111gr
7) flat base.
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[sparkz]

Ok this looks Cool and sorta handy,,
What Mileage are you guys seeing?
say from a 230Gn 45acp Bullet?
or whatever size for that matter from say a 1liter kit?

and does it take same amount of juice to do the 2nd coat or like paint needs less?
and does the 2nd coat do anything for ya other then just looks?

also any advantage in a coat and then size with a lube?
or do ya wipe off the coat with sizer (Lyman 45)
whats working in the real world, not in the sales stuff..
lemee know more about it

Patrick

[gunoil]

Read : bayoubullets.net

Paint is thick,, THIS COAT IS LIKE WATER,, THIN AS KOOL-AIDE!

Read: all of these post on this thread.

24 thousand bullets is whats published for kit. And 1/2 that for 36$ kit, +fedex.

If it came off at sizer, it would be worthless, i had same train of thought at first.

Read all the post on this thread.

[leadman]

The first coat is very thin, think of it like a primer coat. The second coat covers the boolit well enough in most cases it can be used then. I do a third coat just because it makes the boolit look better, not as splochy.
A Lyman or RCBS sizer can be used but it is easier and much faster to use the Lee push thru sizers. I am told that a Star also works very well.
Donnie at Bayou bullets says around 26,000 bullets can be coated with the 1 liter kit. I have lost count but believe I got at least that much, probably more.

There is more info in the 'coating bullets with polymer paint" thread also, which is very long.

[Just Call Me...G]

Hello Gents,

I came across this thread while looking for an alternative to lubing for a specific boolit & gun.

I am interested in seeing if any of you are having success with the Hi-Tek coating and Lee TL309-230-5R in a .300 BlackOut rifle/SBR???...I am especially interested to see if any of you are having success with all of the previous and using a sealed 7.62 suppressor.

I am quite alright with continuing to lube my pistol rounds as I am currently doing.

If this process allows me to shoot the Lee TL309 at subsonic speeds through my YHM can (with accuracy), then I am most interested.

Secondary to this, if the Hi-Tek also allows above average velocity and accuracy in my .223 boolits...that would definitely seal the deal.

If any of you have experience with the Hi-Tek, subsonic boolits through a can in .300 BlackOut, please share.
I would request that you hold off on a fevered sales pitch..."re-read the thread" type comments.

I am looking for specific facts, not rhetoric.


Keep The High Ground,


G

[Ausglock]

The first coat is thin and actually bonds to the lead. the second coat is the same consistency and adds to the thickness and also improves the colour.

Lubing the groove on coated bullets does nothing. Only wastes your time.

JCM...G
No sales pitch here, Mate. Just facts.

Here in Australia, Coated lead has been used in HK MP5SD by our police for years. We can't own suppressors, so no first hand experience. But, as stated elsewhere, coated lead bullets have been used for over 20 years here in OZ. There would be tens of thousands sent down range every weekend here.

[gunoil]

It the thread, donnies friend shoots 223 at 2700 fps WITH a gas check.

You ever heard of jerry miculek, thats donnies brother. You need to call him or email him " just call me G. Nice guy and prompt.

[Just Call Me...G]

howdy gents,

am about 99% sold on this, thanks mate!
:-)

have sent an e-mail to Donnie and am awaiting his response...in the thread 'gunoil' you wrote that he is shooting these from his AR, have not seen Donnie comment on this thread.
;-)

still have not seen any specific info on chronyed loads and/or targets of said loads.
need to do my end of due diligence...suppressors, not cheap and waiting for NFA to approve paperwork is not fun.
looking for more data...just crossing the 't' (s) and dotting the 'i' (s)

yes, I have heard of Jerry Miculek and met him on several occasions, nice guy.

I worked in the firearms industry for 20 years...may have a low post count, but not a noob.
:-)

appreciate you guys for posting all of this info.


G

[Mtbkn]

This is my first post here. I saw that my video had been linked to this site. I'm glad some others have taken interest in the vids (someone needs to step up and do a nicer version:) )

I had shot a lot of the bayou bullets from Donnie prior to him retailing it and went to his shop a few times hoping he'd slip up and reveal his secret coating. Finally he released it to the public.

I had pestered hi-tek with emails about the product before I jumped into it. The biggest hurdle for me was the recommended purchase of a full size oven but I figured there had to be another way a DIYr could do it. Setting up a 220v or gas oven was going to be too much effort. The mini convection seemed to do the trick as most have discovered.

One thing more that I would add that isn't in the videos.. For those of you that are sizing your rounds, if you notice any issues with the bullet sticking or having trouble going through the die. Spray just a tiny dab (one quick spritz in a bucket of 200-300) of pledge furniture polish on them and tumble them and they'll slide right through.

I look forward to seeing more tips on how to make the process easier and more efficient...

[Ausglock]

This is my first post here. I saw that my video had been linked to this site. I'm glad some others have taken interest in the vids (someone needs to step up and do a nicer version:) )

I had shot a lot of the bayou bullets from Donnie prior to him retailing it and went to his shop a few times hoping he'd slip up and reveal his secret coating. Finally he released it to the public.

I had pestered hi-tek with emails about the product before I jumped into it. The biggest hurdle for me was the recommended purchase of a full size oven but I figured there had to be another way a DIYr could do it. Setting up a 220v or gas oven was going to be too much effort. The mini convection seemed to do the trick as most have discovered.

One thing more that I would add that isn't in the videos.. For those of you that are sizing your rounds, if you notice any issues with the bullet sticking or having trouble going through the die. Spray just a tiny dab (one quick spritz in a bucket of 200-300) of pledge furniture polish on them and tumble them and they'll slide right through.

I look forward to seeing more tips on how to make the process easier and more efficient...

G'day Mtbkn.
Mate, Your vid touches all the bases that is needed.
I have been using Hornady oneshot case lube for sizing. But since going to the Extreme Catalyst (which is slipperyier) no sizing lube is needed.
Last night I mixed a batch of 5,1,5 with extreme catalyst, just to see how it goes with a thicker coating mix. I have a Lyman 452374 that casts small (.450) and want to see how the thicker coating will go. The extreme catalyst works great with a 5.1.7 mix.

I am going to get a .358 125gr FP mold and size to .357 (my barrel size) and try these in the 357Sig at full power loads. This will have 5,1,5 mix coating with the extreme catalyst too. The 125gr FP should be good in the sig as it has a crimp groove and will prevent bullet setback.

[bigfelipe]

howdy gents,

am about 99% sold on this, thanks mate!
:-)

have sent an e-mail to Donnie and am awaiting his response...in the thread 'gunoil' you wrote that he is shooting these from his AR, have not seen Donnie comment on this thread.
;-)

still have not seen any specific info on chronyed loads and/or targets of said loads.
need to do my end of due diligence...suppressors, not cheap and waiting for NFA to approve paperwork is not fun.
looking for more data...just crossing the 't' (s) and dotting the 'i' (s)

yes, I have heard of Jerry Miculek and met him on several occasions, nice guy.

I worked in the firearms industry for 20 years...may have a low post count, but not a noob.
:-)

appreciate you guys for posting all of this info.


G

I'm interested in accuracy too, as well as can use. I emailed Donnie and here's what I asked and his response:


how will this product hold up on full power 5.56 rounds? Does it eliminate the need for gaschecks or just replace the lube?


To be perfectly honest I have not done enough testing to say positively one way or the other and I certainly do not want to give a false representation of this product.
I do have one customer that has fired to 2700 fps with GC and good accuracy.
I think the potential is there for good results but as you are aware there are so many variables when using cast bullets in centerfire rifles.
I am expecting more results from customers who have purchased the coating with the intent to use on .233 bullets.
I wish I had access to different 22 cal molds and the time to to do more testing.
Hope this info helps.

I'm going to give it a shot after some instruction from a local member. I'm looking to coat my Lee 230s for the 300blk too...

[Just Call Me...G]

bigfelipe...thank you for the addition of this key information.

I will await Donnie's response to my e-mail and see what he says.

I just think that there has to be somebody out there that is using Hi-Tek for .300 BlackOut purposes.

I did see over in the powder coat thread that there are a few individuals using their boolits for this exact reason.

beyond that it really would be great to get 2700fps out of the AR with the Mihec NATO boolits that I am casting.

please keep us posted on your progress on this project.


Many Thanks,


G

[LongGun1]

I just think that there has to be somebody out there that is using Hi-Tek for .300 BlackOut purposes.



We have a liter of Hi-Tek specifically for making high volume amounts of subsonic & supersonic 300 BLK boolits..

..but still in the process of getting our new casting/reloading center set up.

Been following all the threads..

(including other coated methods we also have the supplies & equipment for)

..Thanks to everyone who has generously shared their time, experience, trials, tribulations & successes! :D

Hopefully one day soon we can share what worked best for us.

[Just Call Me...G]

thanks LongGun1!

would love to see follow up on this as well.

subsonic?...am I to infer that you will be running these through a can?
;-)


G

[LongGun1]

thanks LongGun1!

would love to see follow up on this as well.

subsonic?...am I to infer that you will be running these through a can?
;-)


G

We either have or on order...multiple integral suppressed (couple of H300IC & several Leonidas), several AAC Handirifles with Silencerco Osprey, and other AR with AAC 762SD & screw-on/QD.

Details on the casting/reloading center
http://pullig.dyndns.org/practicalpreps/forums3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3397&hilit=

On the guns & cans...
http://pullig.dyndns.org/practicalpreps/forums3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3370&hilit=

[gunoil]

Ok , custom mold nice for 380, did some last nite. Took my friend a while to find time to cut it. POST #85 & #100
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http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/6031339F-6B12-4C26-A278-229E9C08959D-21548-000016C030E8C6C9_zpsc1f568e3.jpg
LMAO, where we headed, making molds with no lube grooves, Yay!

I sized em, they are ready to load.

[Ausglock]

Gunslick.
Most of the commercial casters here in OZ get the lube grooves machined out of their molds.
A 9mm 165gr RN BB comes out at 168Gr with no grooves.
I have a .452 230gr TC that I machined the bevel base off of. I am going to set it up in the mill and try to remove the lube groove myself. If I stuff it up, then I'll learn from it.

[gunoil]

I have a correction: I mis-understood donnie! He said his friend shot 223 at 2700 fps with a gas check. I dont shoot rifle, just helpin out. My budget is 380,9,40,45.

[Gateway Bullets]

Popper, it is my understanding that the only purpose of the groove is to supply an area for the lube. Buy using a dry lube you would not need the groove on the boolits. I don't think it's a good idea to modify a perfectly good mold or purchase a new mold if you current mold is working for you. Just my .02 worth.

[gunoil]

What he ⬆ said: This is a mold (my friend cut) for my plinking of my two 380's. If ya get to where ya dont like it at all, put it back on the CNC and cut your next larger favorite boolit, your not out anything. I want to ask him to do a blank steel Lyman.

[Just Call Me...G]

I have a correction: I mis-understood donnie! He said his friend shot 223 at 2700 fps with a gas check. I dont shoot rifle, just helpin out. My budget is 380,9,40,45.

No worries, gunoil, I did get an e-mail from Donnie today and he mentioned the friend.
Also mentioned some other facts and he is interested in doing some of his own R & D with my boolits.

I will be sending him a care package with some Lee TL309-230-5R, Lee C312-155-2R & the Mihec 60gr. NATO .223 projectiles for him to test out.

I'll be getting some of these back from him coated for me to test out and I'll be posting results as well, to include loading data, chrony results, targets and and other after-action info that I find.

I'll be sending him the boolits later this week, when I receive them I'll load some up and head to the range.

I'll be out-of-town next week so I'm thinking that within the next 14 days I should be able to post some verifiable data on this thread.

Hope the 100+ degree weather cools off a bit by then...even if it is a dry heat, it is still damn hot!

:-)


Keep The High Ground,


G

[Just Call Me...G]

We either have or on order...multiple integral suppressed (couple of H300IC & several Leonidas), several AAC Handirifles with Silencerco Osprey, and other AR with AAC 762SD & screw-on/QD.

Details on the casting/reloading center
http://pullig.dyndns.org/practicalpreps/forums3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3397&hilit=

On the guns & cans...
http://pullig.dyndns.org/practicalpreps/forums3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3370&hilit=

Good God A'mighty!

That's quite an inventory and kudos on all of the planning you are putting into your project, podna.

Will look forward to your T & E once your shop gets up & runnin'.


G

[Ausglock]

The idea of grooveless bullets in handguns is that it allows you more weight and larger bearing surface. There is no lead flow to the rear of the bullet. recovered coated bullets show no such occurance.
The driving reason behind this groove removal is from IPSC shooters here in OZ. We are using 357Sig for Major power factor in Std Divison. So we need a heavy bullet with short nose to fit in 2011 and Glock sized mags. 125gr is too light and recoil is a killer. bullets in the 145 to 170gr range are preffered. a 165gr RN with no groove gives a 168gr bullet. so the extra 3 gr of weight means slightly lower velocity needed to make Major PF and this translates to lower felt recoil and quicker sight recovery.
IPSC is the driving force behind T&E in the handgun sports and this transfers to the commercial bullet casters as well. Probably 80% of commercial cast and coated bullets in OZ are fired by IPSC shooters.

[bigfelipe]

bigfelipe...thank you for the addition of this key information.

I will await Donnie's response to my e-mail and see what he says.

I just think that there has to be somebody out there that is using Hi-Tek for .300 BlackOut purposes.

I did see over in the powder coat thread that there are a few individuals using their boolits for this exact reason.

beyond that it really would be great to get 2700fps out of the AR with the Mihec NATO boolits that I am casting.

please keep us posted on your progress on this project.


Many Thanks,


G

No problem, Agreed, and will do... I responded to that email about color as well and Donnie said for rifle velocity, he recommends using either the Red Copper or Gold Hi-Tek. I intend on asking more info when I order.

I didn't get my order in today. Gonna call him tomorrow and order a liter kit in Red Copper I think. If it's going to act like Jacketed, may as well look the part ;-)

[Ausglock]

No problem, Agreed, and will do... I responded to that email about color as well and Donnie said for rifle velocity, he recommends using either the Red Copper or Gold Hi-Tek. I intend on asking more info when I order.

I didn't get my order in today. Gonna call him tomorrow and order a liter kit in Red Copper I think. If it's going to act like Jacketed, may as well look the part ;-)

With the red/copper... drop 2 bullets into the bottle of coating to act as mixer balls, before you start measuring out your parts. The solids in the red/copper settle to the bottom and need really good shaking to get mixed correctly. It looks like you are getting your coating in tins. I get it in clear plastic bottles, so it is easy to see when the red/copper is mixed into suspension.

[gunoil]

After shooting this db9 daily it is truly amazing how clean the lil' barrel stays. I keep barrel bone dry inside. I just ran a brush thru it litely after looking thur both ends with my magnifier as i aleays do. Ive worked steady and hard but i have had a smile ever since this "hi-tek-supercoat" came on fedex.

This Db9 has been updated by the company and it is incredible. I have stayed with their growing pains.

Here is the first run of 380 bullets/no lube groive/108gr/makarov nose. You saw mold up above:
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/8742529E-893A-44E5-932D-76B29D498C3A-21548-0000184752374C91_zps870bce1d.jpg

[Just Call Me...G]

No problem, Agreed, and will do... I responded to that email about color as well and Donnie said for rifle velocity, he recommends using either the Red Copper or Gold Hi-Tek. I intend on asking more info when I order.

I didn't get my order in today. Gonna call him tomorrow and order a liter kit in Red Copper I think. If it's going to act like Jacketed, may as well look the part ;-)

Thanks for the follow up, brother.
Good call on the color differences.

As I mentioned on my post above, I will be sending Donnie some boolits...the ones he sends back to me will be coated.
I'll keep the thread posted as info becomes available.

Went shooting tonight with my friend Travis tonight to break in his SBR & Handi-Rifle, both in .300 BlackOut.
Talked to him about this development and if all goes well we are going to start a 2-man mass production.
Especially interested in the 180gr to 230 grain subsonics to feed all our firearms.
:-)


G

[Ausglock]

Was talking to HI-TEK Joe last night. He is sending a sample of his new Black coating and the new 2-Extreme Catalyst for me to try.

The 2-extreme is supposed to be more slippery than the Extreme catalyst. This 2-extreme might be the answer for the rifle shooters. Due to the length of time spent in a longer rifle barrel/pressure behind the bullet type thing, the slippery coating may have a friction advantage for the 223 etc etc.
Shame I don't cast for rifles...
I feel Bayou Bullets are going to get a lot of calls looking for HI-TEK Joe's coatings with his secret herbs & spices...

[gunoil]

what pic u want popper? I sized the big bunch of 380's, their beautiful and slick after sizer. They look shiny.

[leadman]

One of the advantages of no lube grooves would be total encapsulation of the boolit by the coating. I have a couple of boolits that it is very difficult to get the lube grooves covered. It is not necessary to cover the lube grooves since they don't contact the bore so it is more of a visual appeal thing.
The tumble lube boolits probably should have the mini lube grooves all covered with the coating since thay are so shallow.

[gunoil]

trust me leadman (you sent me my first hitek bullets) after two thin coats the shallow or deep lube grooves are covered.

TRY AUSGLOCKS REDIPE: 5+1+7acetone

They may be different color but they are covered with "2" baked on coats @ 375. You and i dont care bout cosmetics cause you can not see grooves anyway.
Members should know this hi-tek-supercoat is thin as WATER. Thats' thin as "WATER" and twice baked. (3 coats for rifle)

The "thin as water" thing was the reason i bought my hi-tek-supercoat.





Its shake-n-bake mama!

[LongGun1]

Good God A'mighty!

That's quite an inventory and kudos on all of the planning you are putting into your project, podna.

Will look forward to your T & E once your shop gets up & runnin'.


G

Thanks! :D

And just ordered some company for the other 300 BLK....a 9" this time.

https://4b1e874935ea5d25a97e-f099844d0e354c7ab50c55a966be6870.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.c om/product/XAAC100884b.jpg

[Ausglock]

Bloody hell. We would give away a testicle to have these toys here in Australia.
I had a Colt AR-15 HBAR back in the 1990's. Loved that rifle. The SLR L1A1 7.62 and the Valmet 76 were also great fun. But, They were stolen from us by our government.
Never let it happen to you lot.

The new black coating should be here today. I have been casting like a demon to have plenty of "test subjects" to try the black coating on.

I now have red/copper Infidels, green Zombie Slayers and soon some Black Knights.... yeah baby...

[gunoil]

iam calling black HTS the "tasmanian devil", Their black, right! The gold color should be easy to make,? huh? Iam caught up with all 3 my pistol rounds. I still cant believe how clean barrels are.

[edit] still shooting HTS(Hi-Tek-Supercoat) every day.

[redrockant]

Trev We will me thousands of test subjects once the machine supplier contacts me

[Gateway Bullets]

Ausglock let us know how that 2-Extreme works. I have and order coming in from Hi-Tek here shortly with the red copper, black, and gold. Im thinking the 223/556 with red or black coated in the 2-Extreme would be nice.

[gunoil]

cool popper, I let ya know

[kcinnick]

With the red/copper... drop 2 bullets into the bottle of coating to act as mixer balls, before you start measuring out your parts. The solids in the red/copper settle to the bottom and need really good shaking to get mixed correctly. It looks like you are getting your coating in tins. I get it in clear plastic bottles, so it is easy to see when the red/copper is mixed into suspension.

I do this with all the colors!

[Mike Hughes]

OK, You guys have convinced me to give this stuff a try. Just got off the phone with Donnie, ordered a kit with the red copper. I plan on coating for several different calibers including 9mm, 45acp, 300 blk, 30-06, 30-30, 223 and 50 Beowulf. Found a convection oven on craigslist. I hope it works as good for me as it has for you guys. Appears to be pretty impressive. Time to fire up the melting pot and get ready for the fed ex truck

[bigfelipe]

Just got off the phone with Donnie. Ordered a liter of the Red Copper. It seems to be the all around color. He told me it's recommended by the manufacturer for rifle velocity but works just as well and easily on handgun bullets and subsonic rounds. Should be in the mail Monday. Can't wait.[smilie=w:

gunoil, I'll be taking you up on that offer soon...

[gunoil]

ok, your on bigfilipe!

m. hughes, i built that dry rack in photo with air staple. About 4 by 2 1/2 feet. I scoop em up with plastic dust pan. I bought sheet of stuco wire (8 feet) at home depot for 8 dollars. I safety wired pieces of it to oven racks.

It will be like disneyworld/land, lots of fun! but it works. KEEP IT THIN SHELIAHS AND BLOKES.

[sparkz]

Would any of you guys Coating .45acp, 380acp, Want to part with a hand full of "any of those size" coated Bollits?
And Very Interested in a 7,62 in weight range suitable for our AK-47 ei; 120-160gn
I really want to know more of this and see how well My gun/s and I like these I really like this

(This could very well replace Lube for our Automatics, and for our Gas Operated guns)

If you could or would like to part with a hand full please PM me and il
send you some Scratch, Dough, Jack, Cake, Coin, or a chicken,,

Like to have E-nuff to load and shoot for a good test, say 25 or so
Please let me know


Patrick Campbell
Lost Creek, Kentucky

[altheating]

Anyone have any experience with this coating on 22 cal hornet and or 223 remington boolits? If so are you still gas checking the boolits? When? After the first or second coat.

[luober]

has anyone tried these coated bullets with the glock polygon barrels and checked for any leading. i know that there is a warning about shooting cast in a glock and i was wondering if this coating might have cured the barrel leading with these factory barrels.

[gunoil]

I can tell you , you can shoot no (from factory glock person) more than 150 cast lead boolits in the polybarrel. Glocks are just one company with poly barrels. As of hi-tek, i would shoot constant HI-TEK in my G-26, but my dad has it in the mtns. Maybe ausglock with tell you the downunder opinion. This is just how i roll. Whats good is "you" will not have lead or copper in your barrel. Slicker than peach pitts thru a goose's......... You may see purple roo's and pink wambats, and water-hydrant may flag you down but you'll be fine. Hi-tek-supercoat is truly fun and cleans up barrels, fingers, reload equipment, and you can breath at the range now, no alox smoke which causes cancer in california.

[Ausglock]

G'day All.
I have been at a 2 day IPSC match. Every one of the 90 shooters were using coated lead pills. Open Major, STd Major Minor 9mm and 38 Super. The whole lot. Each shooter fired over 300 rounds. glocks, STI, Kimber, Para, S&W M&P, SVI, CZ SP-01. you name it we were shooting it.

No body had any issues with leading. My Kimber 38 Super fired over 300 and is shiny clean. My mate also fired over 300 through a Glock 17A factory gun. his is as clean as mine.

I have a Glock 35 in 40S&W. it fires coated lead 175gr FP pills all day with no leading (now that I have binned the Lee FC die).

Remember, people. We in OZ have been using coated lead pills for over 20 years. this is nothing new to us. I don't know why there is so much resistence to coated lead in the US....

[gunoil]

trevor? binned the FCD? you dont use anymore?

It is nice to be able to shoot poly g barrels again.

You live in NW ? trevor

[Ausglock]

Yep. The FCD was squeezing the bullets down to .399 after seating. this is why they were leading really bad and poor accuracy. I replaced the Lee FCD with a dillon taper crimp die and all is now fine. accuracy has returned and zero leading in the factory 40 barrel.
I could have knocked the carbide ring out of the FCD, but I use this die for the "bulge buster" for processing all my 40 brass that gets turned into 357Sig brass (AKA 40/9).

NW?????

[gunoil]

yep, i thought,,, i bought dillon 9 and 45 and need a 380dillon crimper. I think if you seat and crimp with lee seat die it shaves lead. I just seat then crimp and i have rcbs expander dies which "do not" bell, the RCBS "steps" brass. HTS is great!

[hawaii five-0]

So, are two coats required? Also, how much size will this add to my boolit? Im using Lee's .300 AAC mold to cast.

[gunoil]

you size after you coat. I do 2 coats to pistol rounds.

[Ausglock]

2 coats will add about 0.0002 to the dia of a .452 bullet. Even 3 coats only adds 0.0003.

[bigfelipe]

Yep. The FCD was squeezing the bullets down to .399 after seating. this is why they were leading really bad and poor accuracy. I replaced the Lee FCD with a dillon taper crimp die and all is now fine. accuracy has returned and zero leading in the factory 40 barrel.
I could have knocked the carbide ring out of the FCD, but I use this die for the "bulge buster" for processing all my 40 brass that gets turned into 357Sig brass (AKA 40/9).

NW?????

So I have to get another new die huh? I use the Lee FCD for the bulgebuster kit too. Even a light crimp is detrimental to the coated bullets? How is a taper better?

[leadman]

If you use the Red Copper figure .001" for each coat. I have sized some boolits first, measured them, then coated them and measured them again and this is what I got.
The Lee FCD is determintial to cast bullets in general. I have never had a problem seating and crimping with the Lee seater die. For about the last ten years the Lee seater dies have been a taper crimp, not a roll crimp.

[Ausglock]

So I have to get another new die huh? I use the Lee FCD for the bulgebuster kit too. Even a light crimp is detrimental to the coated bullets? How is a taper better?
The Lee FC die has a carbide sizer ring that the loaded round has to pass through. this ring squeezes the case and bullet down to a smaller size. This is what gave me .399 dia for my bullets.

[SpotHound]

Trev

I got my catalyst last month, I wonder if its extreme enough?

Whats you current preferred ratio at the mo?

S

[SpotHound]

PS Mine is red

[HI-TEK]

Trev

I got my catalyst last month, I wonder if its extreme enough?

Whats you current preferred ratio at the mo?

S

Hi SpotHound,
If you purchased the coatings from Donnie, the catalyst that would have been supplied by Donnie would be the standard catalyst.
Donnie has also limited stocks of the Extreme catalyst and is much more expensive than Extreme catalyst.
Donnie does not have the 2-Extreme catalyst as yet, and some may be shipped with current shipment order he has in place, and quantity is undetermined until testing is done here first..
We are waiting for testing being done locally, to gauge performance benefits.
It is possible, that Ausglock may post some results before any one else as he is testing Standard catalyst, Extreme catalyst and 2-Extreme catalysts in three separate batches in the same coating.
I am also waiting for any updates
HI-TEK

[gunoil]

The Lee FC die has a carbide sizer ring that the loaded round has to pass through. this ring squeezes the case and bullet down to a smaller size. This is what gave me .399 dia for my bullets.

Yep LEE FCD appers to squeeze brass top and then shaves bullet as it goes on down in the brass. As of now i use seat to just seat and dillon crimp. This works, but i wish lee had a 6 hole press,, hehehehe! I might buy a 1050 one day. But i dont know much.

I may try cat 3 solution (in a month) but iam content with cat 1, Heck, so slick now i cant even hold on to bullets.

I be a sizeing dude pretty soon, magma star will be here in week & 1/2, so they say. I ordered 2 sizes of bullet feeds also. Iam gonna put a motor on it later.

[Ausglock]

G'day All.
Tonight I mixed 3 different coating solutions.
1: Black with normal catalyst 5,1,5
2: Black with Extreme Catalyst 5,1,5
3: Black with 2-Extreme Catalyst 5,1,5

I have coated 100 of each batch on Lee 358 125gr RNFP.
These will get sized to .356 and loaded to Minor power factor in 38 Super.
Each batch will then be fired in a Kimber Stainless Target 2 over a Chrony and at a target at 25 Metres from a sand bag rest. I will be doing this on Sunday.
The first coat was cooked tonight on the 3 batches. Tomorrow night I'll cook the second coat and size them.

I still want a dog dick red coating ............ :-)

[Ausglock]

Trev

I got my catalyst last month, I wonder if its extreme enough?

Whats you current preferred ratio at the mo?

S

Spotto.
With normal Catalyst, I am running 5,1,7 for Red/copper.

[kbstenberg]

Is there a website to learn more about the product? I'm also interested in where to purchase the product.
Points I am still wondering about.
Color Is it just an esoteric thing? Is there an actual difference in protection to the bullet from one color to another?
Affect to the bullet Like others. If the product does all that "normal" lube does to protect HV rifle bullets. I will make the switch.

[BBQJOE]

I too am highly considering trying this. I'm tired of jacking around with goops and waxes. Anyone tried the gold yet? Pics?
I think that gold might look nice.

[gunoil]

Its best to read most all the post! Cant think of to much that has not been answered with pics and vids.

I want some blue joe. I like red copper.

bayoubullets.net

You can call donnie and buy 1/2 liter, 36$+fedex. Or get full liter/2 colors.

[bstone5]

BBQJOE


I purchased the gold from Donnie and have coated several thousand 95 grain 9 mm bullets for the 380 auto.

I have a Cast Master Machine and can make a lot of cast bullets in a few hours.

I did not take any pictures. I will the next time I coat with the Gold coating.

The coating goes on easy if you follow the instructions.

My oven is a GE Convection counter top oven I got at Target.

I have been powder coating bullets for a while and decided to try the HI-Tech Coating from Bayou Bullets.

It only took two coats to cover the small 380 bullets very well.

Use a very thin coating , it is easy to put on too thick a coating. A little of the coating will coat a lot of bullets while tumbling in a plastic small bucket.

Give it a try, you will like the results.

[kbstenberg]

I found there websit. But no information on color and its affect, or how well it protects at higher velosity levels.

[gunoil]

kb berg Call donnie as said before. Great guy!

[Dryball]

Just wanted you all to know that you are a bad influence! :bigsmyl2: I just got off the phone with Mr. Donnie and my 2 liters should be here by the end of the week. He said that he should have more extreme catalyst in the fall. I'd write more but I have to get casting! [smilie=w:

[gunoil]

Dang, dryball,, u bought 2 liters? Great. I started with 1/2 liter, course you got more money than i do, i bet you have espn too. I love the purple roos and pink wambats running round the shop.

[Dryball]

ha ha Gunoil. Yeah, I can't stand prosperity but even worse, I hate to run out of a good thing! I have a few friends that would benefit from this so I'll be giving some of it away.

[Love Life]

If I sent somebody some rifle bullets cast from straight linotype would you coat them for me? I want to run them in my Remington 700 in 8X57 and see how the coating works at higher speeds.

I will size them to .325 and gas check them prior to sending them out to you.

PM me if interested.

[gunoil]

love life. send me some but not till you ask if they should be sized after i coat them. After coat you can size and punch on the gas check at same time. Maybe hitek or ausglock ir somebody will talk.

I sorry, u have ask this before and i dont mind, but i load pistol only.

[leadman]

Love Life, I can coat them with the Red Copper. It is best to put the gas checks on before coating especially if they are tight to begin with.
There is no way I could seat the gas checks on the boolits I have been working with after coating. All I ask is you pay for return shipping, $5.15 USPS Priority Flat Rate.
I am up to 2,550 fps in my 30-06 with a 180gr boolit. No leading but the accuracy is not good enough for me yet. I have some more linotype boolits age hardening myself to continue testing. I am also going to test the Lyman 44gr RN GC 22 cal boolit.
PM me for my address if you want me to coat your boolits.

[Ausglock]

So I have to get another new die huh? I use the Lee FCD for the bulgebuster kit too. Even a light crimp is detrimental to the coated bullets? How is a taper better?

It is not the crimp that was causing the problem. It was the carbide ring sizing the complete loaded round that caused the problem. With coated bullets you can run no crimp to a full heavy crimp with no issues.My 357Sig rounds use a heavy crimp to prevent bullet setback.

[Ausglock]

I too am highly considering trying this. I'm tired of jacking around with goops and waxes. Anyone tried the gold yet? Pics?
I think that gold might look nice.

G'day Joe.
The gold looks great. It is the main colour used by the commercial bullet makers here in OZ.
The blue/green give a really nice Emerald green bullet....Zombie Slayers.

[SpotHound]

Hi SpotHound,
If you purchased the coatings from Donnie, the catalyst that would have been supplied by Donnie would be the standard catalyst.
Donnie has also limited stocks of the Extreme catalyst and is much more expensive than Extreme catalyst.
Donnie does not have the 2-Extreme catalyst as yet, and some may be shipped with current shipment order he has in place, and quantity is undetermined until testing is done here first..
We are waiting for testing being done locally, to gauge performance benefits.
It is possible, that Ausglock may post some results before any one else as he is testing Standard catalyst, Extreme catalyst and 2-Extreme catalysts in three separate batches in the same coating.
I am also waiting for any updates
HI-TEK

Wrong country Bro. Will send ya an email.

[gunoil]

Iam not excited about stage 2 cat..,, this stage one is great. I might order some next time. No big deal.

What is NSW North Coast? ausglock Is that the 9:00 position or what.

[bmiller]

Ausglock, could you compare the amount of smoke produced between the different catalyst? I am curious. Thank you in advance.

[kcinnick]

I size after coating. Puts a nice shine on the bullet.

These run fine in Glocks, the only issues I have heard of I believe the person was sizing his bullets down when loading, because when we shot some of the bullets he sent back (Donnie and I) they shot just fine in every gun we could find with a polygonal barrel.

I have tried .223, no leading issues, but I couldn't get good accuracy out of them. .223 bullets are cheap for me since I buy OEM bullets and I am working to get a FMJ and FMJBT contracted out to sell under my brand, but I would produce them if I could get a design that worked with the coating without a gas check. We don't need lube grooves, so a traditionally shaped .223 bullet with a soft point style tip should work, I just don't know who makes a mold like that and have been too busy with pistol bullets to get something made up. It would need to be a two cavity design that would work with a Magma or Ballisticast machine.

1 coat will actually work with starting loads, 2 coats is safe. I do 3 coats for commercially sold bullets because I don't know how hard someone is going to push these bullets, and the 3rd coat makes the bullets look better.

[gunoil]

can i do 1 coat on the lite 380/9mm bullets for plinking? Ferrara

[Ausglock]

Gunoil. try 1 heavier coat and see how it goes. having no lube groove is a bit bonus.
Also Northern NSW is where I am.
Google earth, "Ulmarra NSW au"

Bmiller. Will do.
The powder I use is 4.6gr AP-70 which is sold in the US as Universal Clays.

Ap-50 is also sold as International Clays and is a great 45ACP powder with coated bullets. I run 4.6gr of AP-50 with a 230gr RN coated bullet.

[kcinnick]

can i do 1 coat on the lite 380/9mm bullets for plinking? Ferrara

I have done 147g subsonic loads with one coating and didn't have any issues. I have talked to a few makers in OZ that swear by one coat or two coats. It is so easy once you get to the coating portion, and the cost per coat is so minimal, I don't see why you would not put two coats unless you were experimenting. I have put bullets through comps, go 3 coats for comps and cans.

If you notice, the coating actually turns into a powder with the heat and pressure when shot, it basically insulates the lead on the base of the bullet from the heat of the powder burn, the coating on the sides stays stuck to the bullet, even though the base may be burned/flaked by time you can recover the bullet. The more coating you have on the bullet, the better it is going to hold together. Moderate conditions I don't see a reason one coat would not work, and I am pretty sure Joe will back that up. If you are pushing the bullet harder or in unique circumstances (vented barrel, comp, can) you need a thicker coat on the outside of the bullet to hold up to the hot gases making contact with the sides of the bullet. We are talking pennies per 100 bullets coated, so if I were doing for just myself, I would coat everything twice. I coat and cure in 240lb batches and it only takes me about two hours to cure with 3 coats, most of that time is waiting for coating to dry or bullets to cool down. I spend way more time culling bullets and sizing than coating, coating is the easy part. I wish someone would come up with a better collator than MA systems!

Nick

[gunoil]

yea , might try for 380! thanks .

Took many moons! 9mm are tough on Lee LM, loadmastervideos.com/forum helped with my outfit below, and mrbulletfeeder.net/dillon/RCBS/machine shop local. video below with HTS hi-tek-supercoat.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/56070757-AF97-439E-9770-87CF14CDE3F8-27141-00001C5917D44728_zps9e0b3980.mp4

[Ausglock]

Coated 3 lots of 100 bullets last night. The new shiny Black with each of the 3 different catalysts.

The 2-Extreme catalyst coating made sizing the .358 bullets to .356 super easy.

Going to load them up tonight for Sunday's testing.
Also going to coat some 40 cal bullets with the black/2-ext mixture as well.

Note to self.... Cast more bullets so I have something to coat.

Wanted: A magma Mark 5,6 or 7 and a Sizing machine. Delivered to OZ :-)

[kcinnick]

Wanted: A magma Mark 5,6 or 7 and a Sizing machine. Delivered to OZ :-)

I am having trouble getting them in the US! I am number 40, 41, 81 and 82 in line for bullet master 8's and one lube master that will ship with the first two bullet masters, that was as of last week. Your number jumps in bunches as they make them in batches as parts come in. Hopefully I will get the first two this year. They had a shortage of sprue plates for dies earlier this year and I offered to take a machine without dies ( I didn't order dies, I have plenty) and I didn't have any luck skipping in line, they are pretty strict with first in, first out.

[Jumbopanda]

I don't know if this has been covered or not, but is it possible to heat treat bullets coated with Hi-Tek? I figure that if you were to apply the coating first, then the heat treat process (1hr in the oven at 450F) would ruin the coating (the instructions from Bayou bullets says over baking makes it brittle). But if I heat treat first, then curing the Hi-Tek would anneal the bullet. Some have said that the temperature and time spent curing the coating would not have much of an effect on a heat treated bullet, but my testing has shown otherwise.

[gunoil]

trevor, ive waited at least 90 days on my magma star lubesizer, over 800 dollars to my door. She said it may be here in 10 days or so.

[Ausglock]

Well, HI-TEK joe sent me some experimental colours today. I now have a red and a bright darkish blue. there is also a maroonish red/purple and a dark royal blue. I haven't mixed any of the last 2 yet.
I have coated with the DD red and the bright blue. going to cook them tomorrow night.

There is a bloke that has a commercial setup, but he is only doing small production. Might have to make him an offer to buy him out.

[Ausglock]

I don't know if this has been covered or not, but is it possible to heat treat bullets coated with Hi-Tek? I figure that if you were to apply the coating first, then the heat treat process (1hr in the oven at 450F) would ruin the coating (the instructions from Bayou bullets says over baking makes it brittle). But if I heat treat first, then curing the Hi-Tek would anneal the bullet. Some have said that the temperature and time spent curing the coating would not have much of an effect on a heat treated bullet, but my testing has shown otherwise.

No idea.
You might have to try it and see what happens.

[gunoil]

yea, trevor,,, buy him out. Carolina blue would be nice! I love this stuff, bout any color as long as ive got some.

I gotta hunt a motor, I have rod and rod-end bearings. Ray will wire it for me. John will weld cam and i'll paint cams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXbLxgJnBnI
Would HTSupercoat stick to steel?

[Ausglock]

red.
75751

75752

bright blue.
75753

75754

[SpotHound]

Where ya gettin that perforated sheet from?

I can only find full 1800 x 3000 mm sheets in Perth.

[kcinnick]

dog dick red.
75751

75752

bright blue.
75753

75754

Joe,

I need these!

Nick

[NVScouter]

Any recovered boolit pictures? Specificly looking for rifle in the .308-.458 range. I'm courious how the coating holds on.

[Ausglock]

Where ya gettin that perforated sheet from?

I can only find full 1800 x 3000 mm sheets in Perth.

A mate runs a sheet metal business here in town. He had some scrap lying around and bent them up for me.

Each tray is 12"x12". $10 per tray. I use 4 for drying and another 4 for cooking.

[gunoil]

8x3 foot sheet of stucco wire for 8 dollars at home depot.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/A5CD4D4B-F2EC-417E-B911-E792FDBEF2FA-13419-0000113C1F18E34F_zps1e174c24.jpg

Air-staple gun for wood frame, light cheap wood, like 1$ and change for some 6 foot pieces. I like a 4 or 5 foot dry rack with 15$ box fan.

[gunoil]

Someone wanted to see HTS hi-tek-supercoat bullets at 800 degrees. Here they are, the shell still soft and removable with spoon and lead melted out.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/BA4F5FBC-5ED4-47B0-8604-B2EF312F3ADB-27141-00001D0945E13805_zpse3eb67f7.jpg

[Love Life]

I got some test bullets coated with the green in the mail today. I'll load them up full throttle in the 45 acp and 9mm to shoot this weekend. Hopefully all goes well with the 9mm as it is a Glock. The bullets I got are .356 and I usually feed my Glock a .357 bullet lubed with speed green and gas checked.

I expect it to be uneventful though, since this coating has been in use in Australia for 20 years. Looks like I can off load a lubesizer and just use Lee push through dies.

[DrewTenney]

Bought a black and decker toaster over an walmart for 29 bucks.. easy removable rack, and will go up to 450 deg no prob. Just did my first back. Tip for other newbies... LET LUBE DRY ALL THE WAY before you put it in oven. Even a very small amount of still wet lube will boil when you put in over and leave a little hard spot. Next thing I'm trying to figure out is a better delivery method for the mixed lube, instead of swirling them in a cool whip tub and dumping them out. Hard not to waste any that way.

[Ausglock]

Drew. It will not be wasted.
When you do the next swirling, the coating on the bucket will get picked up by the new mixture that is added.
remember, this coating is always fluid until baked.

Get a cloth with acetone and rub inside your tub. The colour will come off the tub easy.

Even the coating that sticks to your drying trays can be wiped off.

I let my coated bullets sit for 15 minutes and then warm them with a hair dryer, just before I place them in the oven.
Love life: All coated 9mm bullets in OZ are sized .356, fired in Glock 17A, 17L, G34 factory barrels with no problems at all.

[Mike Hughes]

Fed Ex delivered my Hi Tech coating this morning. I coated quite a few boolits and am looking forward to testing.
7581675817
gunoils idea for the stucco wire racks worked great for the .358 and bigger, for the smaller calibers I added a layer of gutter mesh to one of the racks.
75818
left to right, 223 Mihec Nato 60 gr, Mihec .501 370 gr for the Beowulf, Mihec .452 200gr, Lee 230 gr 300 AAC, and Lee .358 125 gr RNFP
The gas checks crimped on after coating with no problems.

[Love Life]

Thanks for the info on the Glocks AusGlock. I can coat many more an hour than I can lubesize. I'm very excited.

[bigfelipe]

My Red Copper liter showed up today as well. Can't wait to get some coated. Need to get casting 1st. Don't have anything that's not lubed already.

[SpotHound]

I noticed on the YouTube video, the guy tumbles with the lid on. I have been swirling with the lid off.

Maybe that's where I have been going wrong.?

Wish I was in the USA with all those sheets available easily.

[Lights]

Someone wanted to see HTS hi-tek-supercoat bullets at 800 degrees. Here they are, the shell still soft and removable with spoon and lead melted out.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/BA4F5FBC-5ED4-47B0-8604-B2EF312F3ADB-27141-00001D0945E13805_zpse3eb67f7.jpg

Looks just like the couple I returned to the furnace. Only mine were coated with Klass Kote.

[Ausglock]

I noticed on the YouTube video, the guy tumbles with the lid on. I have been swirling with the lid off.

Maybe that's where I have been going wrong.?

Wish I was in the USA with all those sheets available easily.

Makes no difference. I do the red without a lid and the blue/green with a lid because the container is very shallow.

[SpotHound]

The maker told me mixed product should go in a fridge for up to 3 days.

[SpotHound]

75849

Best I have done so far, not as good as commercial coatings.

[HI-TEK]

75849

Best I have done so far, not as good as commercial coatings.

You have done well.
As you use the coating, and refine things to suit your process, there is no reason why your products would not look the same and perform the same as any commercial product.
The only thing commercial coaters have over you, is that they have done this many hundreds of times previously.
It is simply a learning process.

[HI-TEK]

The maker told me mixed product should go in a fridge for up to 3 days.

I do recommend that normally, mix enough coating to use up in 2 to 3 days.
Some advised, that they have kept the mix in fridge for over a week and was coating OK.
The products are designed to allow user to coat for days without loss of product.
Normally, it is also recommended that you cast plenty first, (more than required), make up some mixture, then coat and use up all mixture even if you have some projectiles left uncoated.
Keeping in fridge reduces solvent loss and thickening of mixture. Mixture should be kept in air tight containers.

[olaf455]

Anyone know if keeping the unmixed or mixed lube in the refrigerator will extend shelf life? My garage gets to >110F in the summer. I probably can't use up 1/2 L in a year. Cut a proper length strip of the gutter guard last nite, it's good and stiff so I'll glue some wood strips to the bottom so I can lift it out of the oven easily. I space them off the rack so I can use 2 wood dowels to lift them out. Most of you just tumbling in a butter tub or something? Just swirling or actually tumbling to coat? I had trouble with LLA & swirling - didn't coat very well, the CBs just slid around.

I keep both mixed and unmixed in the fridge.
I tumble in a large sealed plastic container, I believe it is a mayo container. Tumble them until well coated, remove lid and gently fan air into/fumes out of container, replace lid and tumble some more. I repeat this prices until they start to get sticky, then poor out to dry.

[olaf455]

Anyone know if keeping the unmixed or mixed lube in the refrigerator will extend shelf life? My garage gets to >110F in the summer. I probably can't use up 1/2 L in a year. Cut a proper length strip of the gutter guard last nite, it's good and stiff so I'll glue some wood strips to the bottom so I can lift it out of the oven easily. I space them off the rack so I can use 2 wood dowels to lift them out. Most of you just tumbling in a butter tub or something? Just swirling or actually tumbling to coat? I had trouble with LLA & swirling - didn't coat very well, the CBs just slid around.

I keep both mixed and unmixed in the fridge.
I tumble in a large sealed plastic container, I believe it is a mayo container. Tumble them until well coated, remove lid and gently fan air into/fumes out of container, replace lid and tumble some more. I repeat this prices until they start to get sticky, then poor out to dry.

[prs]

The containers that Sam's Club and other such places sell cashews, chocolate covered raisons and such in are hexagon shaped and of about a quart or more in size. Great for tumbling, just slowly rotate the container and the boolits catch and fall willy-nilly to get an even coat. I need to try this new stuff. I have not luck at all with alox tumble lube.

prs

[gunoil]

Thanks for that tip prs. carload9

You should try prs, call donnie/36 bucks+fedex for 1/2 liter. go get it. Your loaders/barrels are cleaner

[Mike Hughes]

Gunoil, I just wanted you to know that I really appreciate you starting this thread. I was previously sold on Carnuba red as a all purpose lube for all calibers. I have always looked right past these epoxy and powder coat coatings, thinking it was really just a gimmick type deal for people who just wanted their boolits to look purdy. I recently purchased a S&W M&P 9mm and have been having fits with trying to stop the leading. I just got through running 2 mags of 17 rounds each, 34 total at rapid fire pace. Checked the barrel, and not a trace of leading. These hybrid boolits also shot at exact point of aim at 7 yards. The exact boolit uncoated with same load was off by 3 or 4 inches at same distance. I could not be happier with this product, anyone who is on the fence about trying the Hi Tech coating, I say go for it, you will be extremely pleased. The coating is easy to apply and initial start up cost is very reasonable. Just read through this entire thread, watch the youtube videos, and you will be successful. Once again THANK YOU Gunoil for starting this thread and also thanks to the new member Mtbkn who made the you tube video (very helpful) http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=hi-tek%20coating%20&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVev KJgHseWc&ei=rqDHUaamKZPC9gTcroDQCg&usg=AFQjCNGomTeAe2XMsirqx7fcoTztXC9okw&bvm=bv.48293060,d.eWU

[Ausglock]

I keep the un-mixed product in the fridge. but the mixed coating lives out on the bench in a sealed plastic bottle. I have about 8 bottles of different colours and mixes all out on the bench. some have been mixed for 2 weeks and are still coating fine. In Summer, it might be a different story. But the fridge will need a clean out to make room for all the coatings.

I am finding that a 5-1-7 mix is giving really good results and full coverage of crimp and lube groove. the coats are thin enough to get to all the nooks and crannies, but still give a good coat. The 5-1-5-mix, if applied too much, gives a heavy blotchie look to the baked coating.

[Hi-Performance Bullet Coatings]

Glad to here you guys are having success with the Hi-Tek Bullet.....I mean Boolit coating. I will also be introducing a sprue plate and mould release agent from Hi-Tek in the very near future as well.
I appreciate your business!
Thanks
Donnie

[gunoil]

Thanks mike hughes, I have so much fun with HTS.

Thanks swamprat. I be buying mold lube.

Thanks ausglock ,, got me pumped up and going.

[Copper75]

I broke down and ordered a liter (might as well get enough to last a while) from Donnie today.
I've been powder coating but this seems like it will be MUCH simpler.
Thanks for all the info guys !

Copper

[Love Life]

Has anybody used the black coating yet? I bet it would sweet!!

I will do some hollow point testing when I get order some coating. I cast mine from 30:1 lead:tin.

Also is there any gain with the extreme catalysts? Do you get higher velocities, better coverage, etc? Is the only benefit easier sizing?

[toddrod]

I stopped by Donnie's today and bought some red copper coating to play around with

[HI-TEK]

Has anybody used the black coating yet? I bet it would sweet!!

I will do some hollow point testing when I get order some coating. I cast mine from 30:1 lead:tin.

Also is there any gain with the extreme catalysts? Do you get higher velocities, better coverage, etc? Is the only benefit easier sizing?

To answer your questions about Extreme and 2-Extreme Catalysts here are some of my observations and comments.
First, if any lube is more slippery, it does not necessarily translate into faster speeds.
I will try to explain. The lube/coating on alloy, must provide adequate resistance inside barrel to allow maximum pressures to build up, to get speed and accuracy required.
If lube is so slippery, that it overcomes frictional resistance, the results may become erratic with speed and accuracy as pressure build up is much reduced as projectile is already moving with minimal resistance.
The search for best lubricant system has been on the agenda for many years.
Main reason is that people wanted the alloys to slip through the gun, without leaving deposits, and using a lube or coating that achieves that end is what is ideally required. Clean guns, no wear, No Leading etc etc.
The search was to find something that stays on alloy, provides lubrication, not affected by heat and friction, and leaves guns clean and produces accuracy, and provide engineering for coorect operation of guns with alloy of choice.
Using Extreme Catalyst, in the HI-TEK provides additional lubrication, that helps size oversized projectiles that require major reduction in diameters. It reduces the heavy loads on sizing punches, gearboxes driving machinery and minimises punch damage at rear of alloy during sizing.
Also, as many are using the Wax lube sizers which have long internal surfaces, and you can get two or three projectiles inside these sizers at the same time.
During sizing, this tends to damage the nose of the projectiles and rear of projectiles by high resistant pressures being built up in the long surfaces of the sizing dies..
Using coatings with Extreme Catalyst, eliminates high pressure loads with these type of sizers, and alloys are not damaged at front or back during sizing.
With the 2-Extreme Catalyst, you get all the benefits of the Extreme Catalyst, and get far superior metal separation when using alloy in high energy loads as with rifle ammo, and is not affected with extreme heat generated with high velocity and high firing rates that produce very hot barrels.

With standard Catalyst, it works well in majority of applications, but now, you have the choice and ability to use stuff that will help with certain applications where there had not been any satisfactory results in the past.

[Love Life]

Thank you for the very in depth answer. If I have this right, that means I can buy the coating and both catalysts, and mix up what I need at the time to suit the purpose. Extreme for pistol and low pressure stuff, and extreme 2 for rifle stuff.

Thank you,
Dick

[HI-TEK]

Thank you for the very in depth answer. If I have this right, that means I can buy the coating and both catalysts, and mix up what I need at the time to suit the purpose. Extreme for pistol and low pressure stuff, and extreme 2 for rifle stuff.

Thank you,
Dick

Hi, thanks for quick reply.
For most pistol use, the normal catalyst is fine. You really do not need to spend extra money if it works OK with pistols.

The Extreme catalyst was mainly designed for folk that had the lube sizer type dies, with long internal surfaces that held up internally two or three projectiles at a time. This caused a lot of problems with damage to nose and rear of projectiles during sizing with standard coated projectiles.
Using Extreme catalyst with coating, by these folk, reduced the loads sufficiently to allow sizing to take place without damage to ammo or equipment.
Using the Extreme catalyst eliminated need for users having to buy new sizing dies with short internal sizing surface.

For other uses, the Extreme catalyst provided ability for some to use over sized ammo, and drastically size them down to sizes where they had no molds available, and, without damage to lube coating.
It is also very efficient in reducing loads when sizing very hard alloys, but both Extreme and 2-Extreme will work with these.

If you are looking at Rifle ammo, my suggestion is to try normal catalyst coated ammo first, then, try the 2-Extreme catalysed coating as a direct comparison.
After testing, decide which suits your needs adequately.

The 2-Extreme catalysed system tolerates higher heat and velocities much better, and provides better metal separation during severe hydraulic deformations occurring with high energy load and fired at rapid speeds.
Hope That I have clarified things a little better.
HI-TEK

[bigfelipe]

So the 2-extreme is better for say, .223 applications? I went with the Red Copper because I was told it was better suited for rifle velocity but worked just as well as the green on pistol rounds. Should I be using a different catalyst too?

[HI-TEK]

So the 2-extreme is better for say, .223 applications? I went with the Red Copper because I was told it was better suited for rifle velocity but worked just as well as the green on pistol rounds. Should I be using a different catalyst too?

I would suggest that you try with normal catalyst first.
For comparison purposes, using the 2-Extreme should provide you some answers about any performance improvements that can be obtained.
Because of high speeds, (I am told around 3500 to 3600ft.sec) with small projectiles, I am wondering the changes of retention time/and reduction of resident time versus additional lubrication will provide significant and noticeable changes.
It certainly wont hurt to try and compare the two.
Would be most interested in your testing results.

[bigfelipe]

I would suggest that you try with normal catalyst first.
For comparison purposes, using the 2-Extreme should provide you some answers about any performance improvements that can be obtained.
Because of high speeds, (I am told around 3500 to 3600ft.sec) with small projectiles, I am wondering the changes of retention time/and reduction of resident time versus additional lubrication will provide significant and noticeable changes.
It certainly wont hurt to try and compare the two.
Would be most interested in your testing results.

Well, I'm not loading for 223 yet, but that's the plan for the Hi-Tek. I'm not overly concerned with pistol bullets aside from easy GLOCK bullets. I'll post when I get to that point.

[Flintlockrecord]

Just a question for Ausglock and Hitek. Are you selling the smaller sizes in Aus? I would like to get some to NZ to try.

[Ausglock]

Just a question for Ausglock and Hitek. Are you selling the smaller sizes in Aus? I would like to get some to NZ to try.

Good question for HI-TEK Joe.

[SpotHound]

Range Report

30/30 9 grains trailboss, 113 grain lee soup can, excellent accuracy, with only 5% of the smoke of liquid alox.

Not one speck of leading.

[HI-TEK]

Good question for HI-TEK Joe.

Thanks Ausglock, and to Flintrockrecord, and NZ members.
There is an importer in NZ. He should have stocks.
The person is Darren Keen.
I dont have a recent contact detail but have this as last contact

Darren Keen
Deep South Arms International ltd
97 moray place CBD Dunedin New zealand ph 64 3 489 4562
Please advise how you go with him.
HI-TEK

[Ausglock]

Darren is a good bloke. He travels to OZ to shoot IPSC all the time.
Very well known and respected in OZ.
Contact Taieri Arms
Monday - Friday: 9.30am to 6.00pm
Saturday: 9.00am to 1.00pm
Taieri Arms
162 Gordon Road Mosgiel Dunedin 9024
New Zealand
Phone: +64 3 489 4562
URL: www.3gun.co.nz

[BBQJOE]

Ok gang, I are going to get on board with this. Just ordered a half liter in gold from Donnie.

[Love Life]

Does the extra slipperyness of the extreme and extreme 2 catalyst effect neck tension on taper crimped bullets?

One of these days I'll be done with the questions.

[HI-TEK]

Does the extra slipperyness of the extreme and extreme 2 catalyst effect neck tension on taper crimped bullets?

One of these days I'll be done with the questions.

Probably not, as it is static force on alloy.
You just need enough crimp pressure to hold alloy in place.
The only way to determine it is to try it.

Dont worry about asking questions, as that is how we all learn from each other.
I am glad that you are interested enough to ask things.

[Love Life]

I just made a call to Bayou Bullets today and I have a 1 liter kit of the Red Copper ordered. Now it's time to see how hard I can push it in the 308 Winchester and 8X57 Mauser.

No extreme catalysts at this time, but I'll be bugging them once some comes in!! This looks so much more easier than playing mad scientist with powder coating and it has a proven track record. A big thanks to all (especially HI-TEK and Bayou Bullets) for all the information provided so far.

I wonder if ya'll just kicked the American bullet lube market in the junk...

[HI-TEK]

I just made a call to Bayou Bullets today and I have a 1 liter kit of the Red Copper ordered. Now it's time to see how hard I can push it in the 308 Winchester and 8X57 Mauser.

No extreme catalysts at this time, but I'll be bugging them once some comes in!! This looks so much more easier than playing mad scientist with powder coating and it has a proven track record. A big thanks to all (especially HI-TEK and Bayou Bullets) for all the information provided so far.

I wonder if ya'll just kicked the American bullet lube market in the junk...

Thanks much for the vote of confidence. Much appreciated.
I am glad that folk are happy with results they are getting, and that what was advised will stand up in actual use.
There is a shipment order with a couple of folks from US, and it certainly appears that there will be some of the 2-Extreme catalyst being ordered as well.
(From test results being completed this and next week, it seems that we may also have some Red coloured coatings) I will post some pictures as received, & after test firing is done.)
HI-TEK

[gunoil]

mail me some BBQ, joe! How bout a brisket?
-------------------------------------------
I think i turned out 1000 bullets in hour/50mins, of NOE135 gr R.N.F.. Now i need to :

"its shake and bake mama"

[HI-TEK]

mail me some BBQ, joe!

Some teaser photos.
These are taken before cooking them.
Hopefully they will be Ok after cooking and test firing.759937599475995

[Love Life]

I need to get som buulets cast up tonight. I need to cast some 45 acp, 38 special, 9mm, and 8mm.

[Ausglock]

Does the extra slipperyness of the extreme and extreme 2 catalyst effect neck tension on taper crimped bullets?

One of these days I'll be done with the questions.

Love Life. it makes no difference.

The 357Sig round has a very short neck on the case. when loading these I put the nose of the bullet against the bench and try to push the bullet back into the case. If the bullet moves, There isn't enough crimp. I adjust the crimp to suit.
I have loaded some lee 358 125gr RNFP sized to .356 caoted in the new bright red/maroon coating in to resized 40 S&W cases made into 357Sig cases and will be firing them tomorrow. these red/maroon bullets look HOT!!!!!!

[Nickle]

I'm wondering how this is going to play out to lube swaged lead bullets with no grooves.

If it does, I do believe I will go this route.

[gunoil]

already did, works great. 380 bullets with my custom NOE. Took it back this morn to CNC shop, wanted spru plate different.

[Gateway Bullets]

I'm wondering how this is going to play out to lube swaged lead bullets with no grooves.

If it does, I do believe I will go this route.

Nickle, it should have no effect on a swaged projectile without a lube groove. The lube grove is only there to provide an area for the traditional wax type lube. If you are coating an entire projectile with the Hi-Tek system then you would not need the groove because the entire projectile is coated in lube.

[Nickle]

That's what I was thinking.

I've got swaging equipment, so if I plan ahead, swaging them isn't bad, especially in the winter here, when it's WAY to cold to cast outside, or with a door open.

[gunoil]

Swage bullet is brass, rite nickle? Will HTS stick to brass?

NICKLE,, ??? can u post pics of your swage equipment and how you do yours?

[Nickle]

You can swage jacketed bullets, or lead bullets (no jackets).

I'd post pics, but I'm using a Corbin (Dave) CSP-1 press and S type dies from him. It's on his site.

If you swage lead bullets, you don't get lube grooves. That's why I have to lube "outside the box". And, there's no need to lube a jacketed bullet.

[Gateway Bullets]

Gunoil, you can swage either. Cut down an existing brass case and swage it with a lead core or a solid lead bullet or swaged with gas checks. The nice thing about using a swage is the versatility of the die. Want to make a hollow point...make it. Want to make it a little longer or shorter....adjust the die. It's just a slower process than casting, but it tends to be more accurate.

[Nickle]

More accurate, and doesn't involve using a furnace. Unless you cast cores that is. Not planning on using gas checks for some of them, as the primary swaged lead bullets will be kept moderately slow, slower pistol calibers.

Casting and smelting are pretty much seasonal here. Spring and fall. Too hot in the summer, way too cold in the winter.

[HI-TEK]

Gunoil, you can swage either. Cut down an existing brass case and swage it with a lead core or a solid lead bullet or swaged with gas checks. The nice thing about using a swage is the versatility of the die. Want to make a hollow point...make it. Want to make it a little longer or shorter....adjust the die. It's just a slower process than casting, but it tends to be more accurate.

Nice to see you adding to site.
Much appreciated.
Just wanted to add, that folks have used the HI-TEK coating on swaged alloys in Aus, and also on Copper plated and Jacketed ammo.
Rifle stuff is not as big as pistol shooting here and demand volume is for pistol market.

[BBQJOE]

mail me some BBQ, joe! How bout a brisket?


I could, but the shipping will kill ya! I make a killer brisket in a J&R Oyler using mesquite.

[BBQJOE]

duplicate post

[gunoil]

yea, i know, i love em briskets. Cant get any in NC. Iam bizzy in garage, need to learn how to.

Over past couple nites, not long each nite, i cast bout 1200, might cast a few more in morning. The coat with HTS saturday evening.

[gunoil]

well yea, guess ya dont coat a brass swage bullet but what is a swage lead bullet? All i know is sizeing and swage brass over lead. I know corbin, heck yea, bout 2500$. Ouch!

[Gateway Bullets]

Nice to see you adding to site.
Much appreciated.
Just wanted to add, that folks have used the HI-TEK coating on swaged alloys in Aus, and also on Copper plated and Jacketed ammo.
Rifle stuff is not as big as pistol shooting here and demand volume is for pistol market.

You're welcome Joe, I guess since I'm using and selling your snake oil and wallaby snot I better chime in once in a while! Lol

[kcinnick]

The lee sizing dies work great on the coated bullets, but the shorty dies from Chris "Lathesmith" are works of art. I punch bullets through at 4k per hour, hundreds of thousands through them, and they still drop like they did day 1. I think it has to be a combination of the great lube and quality die.

I have found less coating gives a nicer looking bullet. You want thin coats and you can get a prettier bullet. I let my bullets dry as dumped out of my mixer (I go 40lbs to a tray). I give my rack a good whack when I set it down to un stick any stuck bullets then run my hands through them to make sure they are not sticking. I do the same thing as soon as they come out of the oven. I rarely get any bullets stuck together doing this, and they are almost always stuck base to base (and very difficult to separate)

I know Joe says the coating is good for 3 days once mixed, but I found a jar that was mixed in the A/C for who knows how long and tried it on some personal bullets and it worked. When the coating turns bad it changes color IME, a kinda funky blue green color. What I do know is try to mix enough coating to cover the bullets I am coating that day, but if I over shoot, I just add it to the next days batch so my coating is always fresh.

[Ausglock]

I have some 9mm 135gr RN copper plated bullets that have been coated with Gold coating. They fired just fine.
This Supercoat sticks to anything.
Been playing with the red/maroon coating.
Looks great.
Before baking
76026

After final baking. Note the 2 smash tested bullets in the center of the photo.
76028
Firing them tomorrow. Woohoo.....

[Love Life]

Gunoil- How is that smooth sided bullet working for you? I have been contemplating having Accurate Moulds cut me a couple smooth sided bullets just for this process. Only hurdle I have to get over is they don't make round nose moulds...

[gunoil]

already did, works great. 380 bullets with my custom NOE. Took it back this morn to CNC shop, wanted spru plate different.

They work great, guess were not use to lookin at stuff unless it has a lube ring, hehehehe! I shot a bunch of em. Since i have mine made 4 miles away, its all good. They scaled @ 107 i wanted 111, so hes drilling lil" deeper, also i made sproo plate holes smaller when i read tom does that. And i had him add a sproo plate handle i had laying around (lee).

Here, old photo, I'll put up other photo when he gives it back. Hes sometimes slow, i have to call him.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/8742529E-893A-44E5-932D-76B29D498C3A-21548-0000184752374C91_zps870bce1d.jpg

[gundownunder]

OK, so who do I have to speak to to get some of this stuff in Perth and what will it cost me in Ozzy dollars.

One question.
After reading the rest of this thread I gather that everybody waits till the bullets start to get tacky in the tumbler and then rack them and dry them. Wouldn't it be quicker and easier to just stick a heater into the tumbler and let them dry while they tumble then stick them straight into the oven from the tumbler?

[Jim]

I've been following this thread since day one. I've seen nothing but good, useful information. I sent a PM to Staff nominating this thread to 'Sticky' status. I think it's certainly worthy of that.

[Love Life]

^^Agree 100%

[kweidner]

Been quiet for some time now. I had a personal adgenda to be able to fire a 10 to 11bhn in 40 sw using sammi specs and crimp with the coating. Been one heck of a learning curve but it is possible. It functions w/o leading so far in Taurus, Sw, HK and Glock. For those of you wanting to try it it will work. Here is my recipe. Using either gold or black. Mixed 5-5-1. 1.5 teaspoons of mix coated 3 times baked 375 for 10 minutes out of a preheated oven. Overall coating is 4.5 teaspoons on 5 pounds of 180gr round nose around 200 boolits. Now making the bullet harder requires MUCH less coating but this works with accoww. I have a ton of coww and didn't want to re-smelt and add antimony. here is a recovered bullet out of a glock 27. Fully coated after firing. I ran 4 magazines and had nothing but powder fouling in the barrel. Love this HT supercoat. Good luck. Now to the 9mm. 76053. oops sorry it's upside down. Looks like it hasn't been fired I know.

[Gateway Bullets]

That must be one of those Aussie bullets.....it's upside down! Lol

[kcinnick]

OK, so who do I have to speak to to get some of this stuff in Perth and what will it cost me in Ozzy dollars.

One question.
After reading the rest of this thread I gather that everybody waits till the bullets start to get tacky in the tumbler and then rack them and dry them. Wouldn't it be quicker and easier to just stick a heater into the tumbler and let them dry while they tumble then stick them straight into the oven from the tumbler?

The coating is flammable before it dries, basically you are just waiting for the solvent to evaporate, once the solvent evaporates you are good to put them in the oven.

I also want to say, heating times are going to vary from oven to oven. My ovens cure the bullets in 8 minutes or less. I use industrial pizza ovens that blast hot air on the top and bottom of all the bullets. The little ovens work great, but try your own times. I think the test of wiping the bullets with MEK or Denatured alcohol has been covered.

[leadman]

I have been coating alot of gas checked boolits and found out a few things.
Install the gas checks prior to coating. If the boolit is more than .002" oversize run it thru the sizer. I use the RCBS case lube on the pad if I do this.
Even if you do not run the lubed boolit thru the sizer wash them with soap and water. Handling the boolit seems to transfer skin oils to the boolit plus gas checks have oil on them. Dry them and heat them to about 150 degrees in the oven for 5 minutes or so. The reason is if there is any water under the gas check the gas check may pop off the boolit when baked at 375 degrees. I have had this happen even though the boolits were air dried overnight in our 100 degree plus heat.

I have also found that coated boolits that you size down an extreme amount seem to do so without distorting the driving bands. The boolits just get longer.

I am going to do some more range testing soon and also now that my Saeco hardness tester is fixed will test water quenched boolits for hardness after coating.

[Love Life]

I just loaded up my test bullets I received and I was very happy. No having to wipe the loaded rds off after loading and no luby fingers. So far so good.

[Jim]

My wife has a convection oven she uses to bake polymer clay, a synthetic crafting clay. She wants to know if baking this stuff leaves any lingering odors in the oven. Janet told me I could use her oven if the coating won't stink up the oven and the smell get on her polymer clay.

Anybody have any feedback on that?

Did y'all notice the thread now has 'Sticky' status? Thanks, Willy!![smilie=w:

[jmort]

This is looking very interesting. It would be nice if the manufacturer/anybody put a "how to do it," aka directions, link/pdf. I have read through the thread, and will do so a couple more times letting this sink in. I like study, and trial and error, and I like directions. Here is a stupid question, what is 5-5-1, I assume it is five parts stuff/coating with 1 or 5 parts catalyst/whatever with 1 or five parts whatever/unkonwn product? It is a "two part" product from what I have seen. I use 45-45-10, and I know what those ingredients are. Also, how toxic is it? Thanks in advance.

[Love Life]

This is looking very interesting. It would be nice if the manufacturer/anybody put a "how to do it," aka directions, link/pdf. I have read through the thread, and will do so a couple more times letting this sink in. I like study, and trial and error, and I like directions. Here is a stupid question, what is 5-5-1, I assume it is five parts stuff/coating with 1 or 5 parts catalyst/whatever with 1 or five parts whatever/unkonwn product? It is a "two part" product from what I have seen. I use 45-45-10, and I know what those ingredients are. Also, how toxic is it? Thanks in advance.

I'm a knuckle dragger, and can only glean so much from reading about something. I need to hae it in my hands to play with to get full scoop for me.