I need pictures of a 312-155-2r lee

[JTknives]

I'm in the process of adding this boolit to our line of molds and am having a hard time finding a good picture i can measure. What I need is a good quality picture thats large (not these small picture you find online) of a boolit or mold block. the picture needs to be square to the boolit or mold face. this allows me to import it into my programs and measure the dimensions on the cavity or boolit. Thank you so much guys for the help.

[tomme boy]

Want me to just send you some?

[tomme boy]

Well I went and took a couple of pics. Will these do?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/tommeboy/101_0300_zps5b825714.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tommeboy/media/101_0300_zps5b825714.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/tommeboy/101_0299_zpsddbca119.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tommeboy/media/101_0299_zpsddbca119.jpg.html)

[JTknives]

thank you so much!!! , i will try and use those. ya when measuring a picture crisp edges are a must.

[tomme boy]

If they dont work let me know. I will see if I can get better pics.

[garym1a2]

try these, the mold is an angle so not great scaling.
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[runfiverun]

JT.
you thinking of using that cherry and programming a scale-up?
if so target 301-310 and 304-314.

if not i'd suggest @ a 30* angle coming out from the front drive band into the bore ride section.

[JTknives]

I was trying to draw that boolit up in my program so I could have a cutter made as people seam to want that boolit. Are you saying make the nose a bore ride and not a taper from .308 to .302?

[garym1a2]

make a 4 or 6 up and I am in for one.

[runfiverun]

sent a p.m. to you JT.

[Jailer]

No he's saying instead of the stepped front driving band, remove the crimp groove and taper the front driving band into the bore ride section of the boolit.

I agree and that one change would make an excellent projectile for the 300 blk. Kind of a lighter weight sil design. I'd buy a mold of this design.

[tomme boy]

4 or 6 cav and I will send $ on Monday!

[JTknives]

This is not a mold we offer yet, don't send any money.

[tomme boy]

Were you able to scan the pictures OK? Would love to see a drawing.

[runfiverun]

still poking at the design some.
the other two boolis come out well and I sent pics to JT.
i'll work on the 30 cal some more tomorrow.
I need to get the drive bands a bit better and see if I can get the forward drive band more clear in the spec's.

[JTknives]

This is the design i have come up with so far after talking to runfiverun after measuring the pictures and boolits that where sent to me from fishman, thanks by the way.

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[tomme boy]

I think you should make the bore ride section 0.301"-0.302" It will then be a better fit for the 7.62x39 users. And make a version at 0.314" and a 0.303" bore rider for the 7.62x54r and 303 Brit users. If it is possible.

[runfiverun]

there will definitely have to be 2 different molds.
one for the 30 cals at about 311-300 and one for the 31's at 314-304.

[leadman]

My new Lee mold for this boolit is way overweight at 177grs. and .314" diameter. I have yet to shoot it in anything so don't know if it is good or bad. My "new", was unfired until I bought it, SKS has a .3135" groove diameter.

[khmer6]

My new Lee mold for this boolit is way overweight at 177grs. and .314" diameter. I have yet to shoot it in anything so don't know if it is good or bad. My "new", was unfired until I bought it, SKS has a .3135" groove diameter.

That's bad ****. Wish my 312-160 dropped like that LOL. Leadman are you on azs with the same handle?

[Sweetpea]

there will definitely have to be 2 different molds.
one for the 30 cals at about 311-300 and one for the 31's at 314-304.


I'd like one to drop around 316-304 myself.

[Fishman]

So I'm looking at this on my phone and can't tell the diameter of the meplat. Will it be big enough to allow use in a tubular magazine? Looks pretty good!

[Baja_Traveler]

Geez, for a boolit that was supposed to be the ultimate 300 blackout design, this seems to be morphing into a please everyone design judging by the posts here.

I for one hope the original design function does not get lost in this design by committee exercise...

[runfiverun]

the flat is 0.125
the length has been shortened.
the front band has been strengthened also, and will help with barrel alignment.
the weight is close to 155 grs with ww alloy.
the drive bands will spec out closer to 311 to help with sizing for the 30 calibers.
that's for those who can't see the picture.

[garym1a2]

Too much change and it won't fit and feed in the AR's. The Lee boolit barly fits and clears the ribs on my Pmag now.

Geez, for a boolit that was supposed to be the ultimate 300 blackout design, this seems to be morphing into a please everyone design judging by the posts here.

I for one hope the original design function does not get lost in this design by committee exercise...

[Fishman]

the flat is 0.125
the length has been shortened.
the front band has been strengthened also, and will help with barrel alignment.
the weight is close to 155 grs with ww alloy.
the drive bands will spec out closer to 311 to help with sizing for the 30 calibers.
that's for those who can't see the picture.

Thanks Runfive. I did some measurements a few days ago and it appeared that five cavities could fit in the mould block JT used for the .223 run with the same .2" spacing between cavities. Given the 3x difference in lead volume, do you forsee any problem with heat buildup? What is an advantage with the .223 mould may not be for this one. I really don't know and I'm sure you will have a good idea on this.

[garym1a2]

I will try to take pictures of the Lee in the mag tonight, I have not shot the NOE boolit. But my concern is if this new mold is too close to the NOE design than why bother as NOE has them in stock.

The boolit as drawn is .030" shorter than the Lee, but .010" longer than the NOE. The ogive shape is closer to the Lee than the NOE, but has the wider .125" meplat.

Fishman, I don't think a .125" meplat adequate for use of multiple rounds in a tubular mag.

garym1a2, will the NOE 155 FN fit and feed through ARs?

[Moonie]

I'm only interested in a direct clone, the Lee works so well in so many things, all I need is more cavities...

[leadman]

khmer6, yes.

[runfiverun]

I personally think a 4 cavity would be a better option. [5 maybe]
you have to run the mold fairly hot as is, but adding more to less isn't the best option.
you'll run into frosting and cold at the same time.
getting an even soak of heat in the mold will allow you to actually lower the alloy temp and maintain a good pace.

excess 650 pretty much has it, this is a betterized lee and not a copy of the noe mold.
you cannot try to make a 30 and 31 cal mold you have to make one or the other separately.

the drawn boolit will work in the 300-b/o, the 300 savage, the 308 win, 30-30 bolt guns, and the 7.62 x 39. [and some I didn't write down]
you will be able to manipulate the diameter with an alloy change slightly.

if you have a 7.65 X 39,303, 7.7 etc then you need a 31 caliber mold.

[garym1a2]

here is the picture, with the Lee bullet I can get all 30 to fit and function in my 30 round Pmag. With the 20 round Pmag and the 20 round GI mags the rounds move forward under recoil and I get 30-40% FTF's. With this setup in the 30 round Pmag they all feed.
It looks like the rib puts slight pressure on the nose of the round.
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Too much change and it won't fit and feed in the AR's. The Lee boolit barly fits and clears the ribs on my Pmag now.

[JTknives]

OK guys I started a thread on this project, check it out
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?204753-Lee-312-155-2R-copy-Improved-or-Not&p=2279654#post2279654