223 cast bullets in a AR-15 and Bayou bullet coating

[Cue]

I have a NOE 55g .223 mold that with wheel weights, a gas check, and the Bayou bullet (hi-tek) coating on them come out around 62g.
I cannot seem to find any data on loading these other than whats in my cast bullet book which suggests mostly pistol powders, which I am sure wont cycle the action on a AR.
I have a 16" barrel 1-9 twist AR I want to load these for..

Anyone have any data or experience using this coating with cast .223 bullets in your AR?

[Jupiter7]

All my reading seems to favor a 18gr charge of h4895 as a starting point.

[gunoil]

What member said ⬆! Donnie does not even use gas checks, or so he told me on 223.

[Wayne S]

Do the SEARCH thing,"cast in AR's, go to the "results" part of this forum

[Cue]

Do the SEARCH thing,"cast in AR's, go to the "results" part of this forum

I have done this for a few days before making this post, did not find any good info which is why I started this thread..

[gunoil]

Call donnie, he'll tell ya! He almost always answers at bayou.

i think this is donnies brother:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFoM8S3JwZU

[Cue]

Call donnie, he'll tell ya! He almost always answers at bayou.

I have also emailed Donnie and the Distributor in Australia for the coating and they didn't have any info. Looks like 18g of H4895 is probably around 24-2500fps? maybe ill shoot for that.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Originally Posted by Wayne S
Do the SEARCH thing,"cast in AR's, go to the "results" part of this forum
I have done this for a few days before making this post, did not find any good info which is why I started this thread..
a few days of searching ?
maybe you need a little help with the search function.
this topic has been one of the most discussed topics in these last six months of Obama created purchasing panics.

Here are some good search results from the last 3 months of threads. I just used keyword "223" and picked out the best suited threads to help you in your quest...that took 10 minutes, instead of a few days.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?197195-Need-advice-on-powder-for-223&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?173275-Advice-on-loading-cast-223&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?197961-AR-progress-with-casting-and-reloading-223-556&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?197242-Loading-223-is-filler-required&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?195800-Casting-223-for-AR&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?191798-223-308-cast-bullet-powder&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?191036-newbie-to-223-and-cast-bullets&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?191378-The-223-Remington-Final-Attempts&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?183140-Opinions-on-IMR4350-for-223-and-30-06&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?190014-223-5-56-how-slow-have-you-gone&highlight=223

extra info:
and since your talking AR...is it chambered for 223 or 556 ?
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?198073-Ok-I-haven-t-got-a-clue-223-or-5-56&highlight=223

[Cue]

I guess you didnt actually read those posts as they have no info in them that I am looking for. As per my original post, I am looking for data to be used with the COATED bullets using the Hi-tek coating from Bayou bullets, not just a regular cast/lubed bullet. They can stand a higher speed with this coating than regular lubed cast bullets. It is chambered in 556.

I know how the search works, I have been using message boards for 15 years and have been the admin on a few ;)



a few days of searching ?
maybe you need a little help with the search function.
this topic has been one of the most discussed topics in these last six months of Obama created purchasing panics.

Here are some good search results from the last 3 months of threads. I just used keyword "223" and picked out the best suited threads to help you in your quest...that took 10 minutes, instead of a few days.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?197195-Need-advice-on-powder-for-223&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?173275-Advice-on-loading-cast-223&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?197961-AR-progress-with-casting-and-reloading-223-556&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?197242-Loading-223-is-filler-required&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?195800-Casting-223-for-AR&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?191798-223-308-cast-bullet-powder&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?191036-newbie-to-223-and-cast-bullets&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?191378-The-223-Remington-Final-Attempts&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?183140-Opinions-on-IMR4350-for-223-and-30-06&highlight=223

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?190014-223-5-56-how-slow-have-you-gone&highlight=223

extra info:
and since your talking AR...is it chambered for 223 or 556 ?
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?198073-Ok-I-haven-t-got-a-clue-223-or-5-56&highlight=223

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

I could be wrong, but when I posted my search results, I suspected that a Bayou coated boolit will act much more like a lubed cast boolit than a j-word.
AND,
I did peruse through each of linked threads.
Mostly to see that rifle powders were mentioned instead of just pistol powders. since that is part of your quest, besides the specific use of Bayou's coating.

It's too bad Bayou don't provide any info. I went to their website and found nothing about rifle calibers...and a quick google yielded only the mention of pistol calibers, although 30 carbine was mentioned.

It looks like you have some testing in front of you. I'd start with the starting loads (for lubed cast boolits) of rifle powders mentioned in the threads I posted and work up from there watching for all the danger signs.
Good Luck,
Jon

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

.... They [Bayou coated bullets] can stand a higher speed with this coating than regular lubed cast bullets. It is chambered in 556.

Bullshop and other members have gotten 3000+ FPS (and acceptable accuracy) with his Lotak lube and GC'ed cast boolits.

Are you gonna go without a GC ?
Jon

[Cue]

Yea, I think thats where Ill start, was just hoping someone had some load info that had been using them. Ive been using the coating on handgun cartridges and have loaded some of them to jacketed velocity's with no leading but they are a lot slower than a rifle cartridge. I think ill find a load that gives somewhere around 2400fps and start there. I will also be using a GC. I would like to use Varget or CFE223 since I have a few pounds of each, but would have to take a educated guess at a lower charge from the Jacketed data since that's all that's available for those powders.

[runfiverun]

treat the varget like a slow lot of 4895, reduce accordingly, you might need to use a filler to help with the powder burn efficiency at the lower volume.

[xacex]

I am going to try P/C on some of the Mihec 65-225's, but it has been mentioned at jacketed velocity the coating will leave streaks in the barrel. I suspect the same will happen with the Bayou coating. In any case I would use a gas check in the AR unless you are shooting subs. I shoot 5.56 cast, and 300 blackout cast in an AR15, and suspect you will be fine if you keep speeds down, and a gas check on. The only leading I got was a non-gas checked 300BO sub load that was sized to small.

[leadman]

THere is not much for rifle info available with the Hi-Tek coating. I have shot it in my 30-06 with SR4759 to 1,950 fps with no issues. When time allows I am gonig to switch to 4895 and go for higher velocity.
I believe that the Hi-Tek coating is not as slick as wax type lubes. My friend shot some of my Lee 200gr SWC 45 caliber today and the Chrony read about 60 to 80 fps faster with the wax type lube, same powder charge, primer, etc.
I also recorded a similar drop in velocity with my Ruger SBH Hunter in 41 mag. I fired Hi-Tek and Wax type lube with the same powder charge, primers, cases.
I think from observing the amount of residue in the barrels that the powder is burning cleaner or the lack of lube in the barrel makes it that way.
I need to cast some 22 cal boolits and load them in my Contender rifle with the Hi-Tek coating to see what happens.
For now I am using a GC on boolits designed for them.

[Cue]

Got a chance to try some out today. The coated bullets end up right at 62g with the coating and GC on them. I used 22.5g and 23g of CFE223 powder and set the bullet in to the last Lube ring so the COL was 2.22. These are almost FMJ loads according to their site.

They shot fine and cycled the action perfectly. They chronoed right around 2350-2400fps for the 22.5 and 2500-2550fps for the 23g loads, best of all is no leading, the barrel was as shiny as if nothing was shot thru it. I only tested 20 rounds though, so now ill load a few more up to do some accuracy testing as well.

[dkf]

Once I get my my mold I plan to use the bullet coating. Keep us posted.

[Airman Basic]

OK, dumb ? probably already asked, but so many posts on hitek that I'm confused. Do y'all GC before or after coating?

[Cue]

I do it after they are coated. You could do it before but that would require sizing them twice, once to put the GC on and then again after putting the coating on as it will add some thickness to the bullet.



OK, dumb ? probably already asked, but so many posts on hitek that I'm confused. Do y'all GC before or after coating?