Handgun Velocities chart

[Sasquatch-1]

I have found a list of handgun cartridges online. This is a fairly comprehensive list that includes unusual rounds like 2.7 Kolibri, a whole lot of 9mm rounds I didn't know existed, along with the larger handgun rounds that are out there. The problem is that the chart does not show max velocities for these rounds and that is really what I am interested in.

My question is, does anyone know a site that list max velocities for as many known handgun cartridges as possible? The range I belong to has a steel plate range that has been restricted and I need the list to help decide what rounds will not be allowed.

[Potsy]

As far as max velocity, that's pretty subjective if for nothing else but barrel length. That said, I guess "Cartridges of the World" would be your best bet for that info. for the more obscure handgun rounds. Though I don't think it has a chart, it's more page by page.
What is it you're trying to restrict? Sorry, my range doesn't have a plate range so I've never dealt with one. I'm guessing you're trying to keep people from knocking big holes in your plates.
Would you be better off to use some sort of "power factor" in determining restricted "loads" as opposed to "rounds"?
Anybody that reloads can make a .44 magnum (or anything else) go pretty light and slow. The same folks can take a .38 Special case and in the right pistol make it pretty fearsome.

[Tatume]

Any reloading manual or the Hodgdon.com site will have this information.

[jmort]

You would have to check out a number of sources to find the maximum velocity. I normally check Buffalo Bore, Underwood, CorBon and Double Tap to see what is the "max." These will generally exceed anything you will find in a book or powder manufacturer data.

[Sasquatch-1]

Here is a list of the handgun calibers that I found. As you will see there are some real odballs and rare and old calibers listed. right now the hottest rounds allowed are .45 Colt and .44 mag. We are trying to restrict any calibers that would damage the steel plates so we need to know high end velocities for the different calibers.

List of Handgun Calibers

2.34 mm rimfire
2.7 mm Kolibri
3 mm Kolibri
4.25 mm Liliput (4.25 mm Erika)
.17 Hornady Mach 2 (.17 HM2)
.17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (.17 HMR)
.17-357 RG
4.6x30 mm
5 mm Clement Aut
5 mm Bergmann Rimless
5 mm Remington Rimfire Magnum
5.45x18 mm
.22 BB
.22 CB
.22 Short
.22 Long
.22 Long Rifle 22 Stinger (hot loading)
.22 Remington Jet
.22 Reed Express(7.62x25 mm necked down to .22)
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
.224 Kay-Chuk
.221 Remington Fireball
.224 BOZ
.224 Montgomery
.224-32 FA (.327 Federal necked to .22)
5.7x28 mm
5.5 mm Velo-Dog
5.8x21 mm DAP92
.25 ACP( 6.35 mm Browning, 6.35x16 mmSR)
.25 NAA
.256 Winchester Magnum
6.5 mm Bergmann
7 mm Nambu(7x20 mm)
7.62 mm Nagant (7.62 mm Russian, 7.62x38 mmR)
.32 Colt
.32 Protector
7.65 mm Roth-Sauer, 7.65 mm Frommer
7.62 mm Tokarev (7.62x25 mm)
7.62x42 mm SP-4
7.65 mm Borchardt (.30 Borchardt)
7.65x22 mm Para
(7.65x21 mm Luger, .30 Luger)
7.65mm Mannlicher(7.65x21 mm)
7.63 mm Mauser (7.63x25 mm)
.35 S&W Auto (.35 Auto)
.32 ACP (7.65 mm Browning, 7.65x17 mmSR)
7.62x17 mm Type 64 (7.62 mm Chinese)
7.65 mm Longue (7.65 mm MAS)
.30 Wildey (.30 Wildey Magnum)
.32 NAA
.32 S&W
.32 S&W Long (.32 Colt New Police)
7.92 x 24 mm VBR (shortened .30 Carbine case)
.32-20 Winchester (.32 WCF, .32-20 Marlin)
.32 H&R Magnum
.327 Federal Magnum
.32 Short Colt
.32 Long Colt (.32 LC)
.320 Revolver (.320 Bulldog, .320 Webley)
7.5 mm Swiss Army (7.5 mm 1882 Ordnance)
7.7 mm Bittner
8 mm Rast-Gasser (8 mm Gasser)
8 mm Nambu
8 mm Lebel Revolver
(8 mm French Ordnance )
8 mm Pieper
7.5 mm Nagant
(7.5 mm Swedish Nagant)
8 mm Roth-Steyr
8.5 mm Mars
9 mm Japanese Revolver
9 mm Ultra(9 mm Police, 9x18 mm)
9 mm Glisenti
9 mm Parabellum(9 mm Luger, 9 mm NATO, 9x19 mm)
9 mm Federal (9x19 mmR)
9 mm Browning Long (9x20 mmSR)
9x21 mm (9 mm IMI)
.356 TSW (9x21.5 mm)
9 mm Action Express (9 mm AE)
.38-45 Auto(.45-38 Clerke, .45-38 Hard Head)
9 mm Steyr (9x23 mm Steyr)
9 mm Largo(9 mm Bergmann-Bayard, 9x23 mm)
9 mm Mauser (9x25 mm Mauser)
9 mm Dillon (9x25 mm Dillon)
9 mm Mauser (9x25 mm Mauser)
9 mm Winchester Magnum
.380 ACP
(9 mm Kurz, 9mm Short, 9x17 mm)
9x23 mm Winchester
.38 Casull
9 mm Mars
.38 Short Colt
.38 Long Colt
.38 Special
.38 AMU (.38 Army Marksmanship Unit)
.357 Peterbilt (.357 WIldey Magnum)
.357 AutoMag (.357 AMP)
.357-45 GWM(.357/45 Grizzly Winchester Magnum)
.357/44 Bain & Davis
.357 Magnum (9x31 mmR, .353 Casull)
.360 DW
.357 Remington Maximum(.357 Maximum)
.357 SuperMag
.357 SIG
.38 ACP (.38 Auto, 9x23 mmSR)
.38 Super
.38 Super Comp
.38 S&W(.38 Colt New Police, .380 Rim)
9 mm Makarov (9x18 mm PM)
9x21 mm Gyurza
.380 Revolver Short
.380 Revolver LongBritish Webley pattern from 1860s)
.375 SuperMag
9.8 mm Auto Colt(9.65 mm Browning Automatic)
.41 Long Colt(smokeless inside-lubricated variant)
.40 S&W(.40 Auto, .40 Short, 10x22 mm)
10 mm Auto (10 mm Norma, 10x25 mm)
10 mm Magnum
.40 Super
.40 G&A
.40 G&A Magnum
.400 CorBon
.41 Short Colt
.41 Long Colt
.38-40 Winchester (.38-40 WCF)
.401 Powermag (.401 Herter's Powermag)
.41 Action Express (.41 AE)
.41 Avenger
.41 Wildey Magnum (10 mm Wildey Magnum)
.41 Special
.41 Remington Magnum(.41 Magnum)
.414 SuperMag
10.4 mm Italian (10.4 mm Italian Ordnance)
10.4 mm Swiss (.41 Swiss)
.44 Russian(.44 Smith & Wesson Russian)
.44 Special (.44 S&W Special)
.44 Magnum (.44 Remington Magnum)
.44-40 Winchester (.44 WCF)
.445 SuperMag
.440 Cor-bon
.44 Wildey Magnum(11 mm Wildey Magnum)
.44 AMP (.44 AutoMag)
.44 S&W American (.44 American)
.442 Webley (.442 Kurz, 10.5x17 mmR)
.44 Bull Dog
.44 Colt
11.75 mm Montenegrin(11 mm Gasser, 11.25x36 mm)
11.35 mm Schouboe(11.35x18 mm, .45 Schouboe)
11 mm French Ordnance
11 mm German Service(10.6 mm GS, 10.8 mm GS)
.460 Rowland
.45 Winchester Magnum(.45 WinMag, .45 NAACO)
.450 Magnum Express
.45 Webley
.45 Auto Rim (.45 Automatic Rimmed)
.45 GAP (.45 Glock)
.45 HP(.45 Hirtenberger Patrone, .45 Italian)
.45 ACP (.45 Auto, 11.43x23 mm)
.45 Super
.450 SMC(.450 Short Magnum Cartridge)
.45 Wildey Magnum
.451 Detonics (.451 Detonics Magnum)
.454 Casull (.45 Magnum)
.455 SuperMag
.460 S&W Magnum
.455 Webley (.455 Webley Revolver)
.45 Schofield (.45 Smith & Wesson)
.45 Colt Government
.45 Long Colt (.45 Colt)
.45 Mars Short
.45 Mars Long
.450 Adams (.450 Boxer,.450 Corto)
.455 Webley Auto
.455 Revolver Mk I (.455 Colt)
.476 Enfield(.476 Eley, .476 Revolver, .455/476)
.480 Ruger
.475 Wildey Magnum
.475 Linebaugh
.475 Linebaugh Long (.475 Maximum)
12.3x22 mm (Udar revolver cartridge)
12.3x40 mm(STs-110) (Udar revolver cartridge)
12.3x50 mm (Udar revolver cartridge)
.50 GI
.50 Action Express (.50 AE)
.500 Wyoming Express (.500 WE)
.500 JRH
.500 S&W Special
.500 S&W Magnum
.50 Remington
.50 Special (.50 Bowen Special)
.500 Linebaugh
.500 Linebaugh Long (.500 Maximum)
.505 SuperMag (.510 SuperMag)
13 mm Gyrojet
.577 Boxer (.577 Eley, .577 Webley)

[Any Cal.]

Put up a thinner sheet metal target, and only allow rounds that won't shoot through it? 180g .357 fmjs put a hurt on 1/4" plate even though they are fairly low velocity. I think bullet construction could be as important as velocity.

[375RUGER]

I concur with Any Cal. Maybe they should be looking at heavier or better steel. I have a armor steel spec somewhere, I can find it if I need to. I spec'd it for a security force once to stop a 30-06. You can pay for quality once or cheap as many times as you like.

[Sasquatch-1]

I concur with Any Cal. Maybe they should be looking at heavier or better steel. I have a armor steel spec somewhere, I can find it if I need to. I spec'd it for a security force once to stop a 30-06. You can pay for quality once or cheap as many times as you like.

The steel on the center fire range is 500 armor plate. We have a couple of members who are on the board that do not want to take a chance with heavier high velocity calibers. (Jacketed .44 mags loaded to full load specs will not put a dimple in the steel.) I am just trying to get a feel for what the high end velocities are on some of these calibers that are not in any of my loading manuals.

[Artful]

You can buy on caliber like 40 S&W and depending upon configuration have velocity from 850 - 1800 fps.
Does your club have a chronograph? - maybe just limit it to rounds below a certain velocity - nothing above 1300 fps.

http://www.ballistics101.com/#
http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/handgunballistics.pdf
http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm

as to your AR500 plate - how thick is it? What Angle is it sloped at? Does the mounting allow flex or rigid mount?

http://www.shootsteel.com/1-2-ar500-steel-target-8-round/


These 1/2” thick AR500 steel hanging targets are made to withstand the most rugged use.
Applications include ranges, clubs, law enforcement and whenever magnum caliber rifles are being used.
They have been CNC laser cut to yield a minimal heat affected zone.
Do not confuse these with cheaper plasma cut targets.
Targets include 0.6” mounting holes to accept larger mounting hardware.
Targets may be used for handguns and rifles up to 300 and 338 magnum.
Handguns should be used no closer than 10 yards and magnum rifles no closer than 200 yards.


http://www.shootsteel.com/3-8-ar500-steel-target-5-round/


The 3/8” AR500 steel hanging targets work great for the following calibers 223, 5.56, 5.45x39, 7.62x39 and 308. They will also handle similar short action cartridges.
For velocities over 3200fps MV use at 200 yards minimum.

1/4" AR500 Steel Target 8" Static


The static targets are designed for centerfire handguns up to 45ACP.
The Targets are not designed for magnum handgun rounds or centerfire rifle rounds.
Handguns should be used no closer than 10 yards.

http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Ballistics/Armor_Material.htm

And remember on hardened plate the act of cutting the plate will ruin the temper near the cut -
the less refined the cutter is the further in the plate will be softened (ie laser, plasma, junk yard Oxy-Act most damage)

Now having said all the above - in my old gun club indoor range
- we limited to non-bottlenecked cartridges - easy visual for range officer
- required NON-steel/iron bullets - easy magnet check
- we limited to below 1300 fps and had a chrony ready to check any that sounded hot
- we also provided an outdoor rifle range for those who couldn't meet the indoor range rules

Experience - some of the surplus comblock 7.62x25 will penetrate steel - I never got the spec on the sheets we had
but it was 3/8 inch sloped at around 45 deg. - We also learned to move the target impact area around the sheets as over time it would cause a bulge by hitting the same place repeatedly.

[btroj]

You also need to look at the fact many reloaded may not be shooting a full power load. Or they may be shooting a hot rod load.
45 Colt with a 250 at 850 is much different from a Ruger only load pushing a 300 at 1300.

Put up a chart with max velocities and call it good. A 22 Hornet at 2500 will penetrate quite well compared to a 44 mag at 1400. Penetration and bending of the plate are different issues.

[dtknowles]

I guess to avoid arguments the rules have to be simple but that eliminates common sense. I wanted to shoot my 9mm Para carbine at the plate racks on the pistol range but was told that it was not allowed. I could shoot my carbine at paper targets there and I could shoot my .357 Mag at the plates. I explained that the carbine shoots a lighter bullet at a lower velocity and while that Range Master understood he said that he had to enforce the no long guns for the plate racks rule without exceptions. They will also prohibit some/most really high power handguns from shooting at the plate racks. If it sounds like the plates are being slammed the stop the shooter. Really high power stuff is hard on the welds and mechanics. I really wanted to see how fast I could clear the rack with a carbine, darn.

Tim

[429421Cowboy]

This seems like a tough one to figure out a simple yes/no rule on, since a hopped up .44/.45 with heavy cast boolits still won't penetrate, where as a little bottle neck round like 7.62x25 or 5.7 might zip right through some plates.
I personally would look at rules similar to those used in cowboy action shooting, velocity and bullet restrictions, no jacketed or GC bullets to prevent splashback. Just my 2 cents worth!

[44MAG#1]

This is not the answer you want to see but here it is.
Forget about the range supplying the plates. If someone wants to shoot steel plates let them buy their own.
Why, why you ask? It keeps everyone happy. There are no clowns that think they know the rules running around making people upset trying to enforce rules they know nothing about . If someone wants to tear up their own plates it is their business. There will always be someone that will try the plates with some caliber that will whistle through them. You can't have the Steel Plate Patrol on hand all the time.. There will be some jerk that will want to steal a good plate. Plus several more reasons I can come up with through experience at the club I belong to. The worst of which are the know-it-alls that dont know squat about what it takes to damage the plates trying to impose rules they have no ideal about when it come to correct calibers.
Let the shooters bring their own steel plates. That is what I do. Bring my own.

[Chev. William]

Here is a list of the handgun calibers that I found. As you will see there are some real odballs and rare and old calibers listed. right now the hottest rounds allowed are .45 Colt and .44 mag. We are trying to restrict any calibers that would damage the steel plates so we need to know high end velocities for the different calibers.

List of Handgun Calibers

2.34 mm rimfire
2.7 mm Kolibri
3 mm Kolibri
4.25 mm Liliput (4.25 mm Erika)
.17 Hornady Mach 2 (.17 HM2)
.17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (.17 HMR)
.17-357 RG
4.6x30 mm
5 mm Clement Aut
5 mm Bergmann Rimless
5 mm Remington Rimfire Magnum
5.45x18 mm
.22 BB
.22 CB
.22 Short
.22 Long
.22 Long Rifle 22 Stinger (hot loading)
.22 Remington Jet
.22 Reed Express(7.62x25 mm necked down to .22)
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
.224 Kay-Chuk
.221 Remington Fireball
.224 BOZ
.224 Montgomery
.224-32 FA (.327 Federal necked to .22)
5.7x28 mm
5.5 mm Velo-Dog
5.8x21 mm DAP92
.25 ACP( 6.35 mm Browning, 6.35x16 mmSR)
.25 NAA
.256 Winchester Magnum
6.5 mm Bergmann
7 mm Nambu(7x20 mm)
7.62 mm Nagant (7.62 mm Russian, 7.62x38 mmR)
.32 Colt
.32 Protector
7.65 mm Roth-Sauer, 7.65 mm Frommer
7.62 mm Tokarev (7.62x25 mm)
7.62x42 mm SP-4
7.65 mm Borchardt (.30 Borchardt)
7.65x22 mm Para
(7.65x21 mm Luger, .30 Luger)
7.65mm Mannlicher(7.65x21 mm)
7.63 mm Mauser (7.63x25 mm)
.35 S&W Auto (.35 Auto)
.32 ACP (7.65 mm Browning, 7.65x17 mmSR)
7.62x17 mm Type 64 (7.62 mm Chinese)
7.65 mm Longue (7.65 mm MAS)
.30 Wildey (.30 Wildey Magnum)
.32 NAA
.32 S&W
.32 S&W Long (.32 Colt New Police)
7.92 x 24 mm VBR (shortened .30 Carbine case)
.32-20 Winchester (.32 WCF, .32-20 Marlin)
.32 H&R Magnum
.327 Federal Magnum
.32 Short Colt
.32 Long Colt (.32 LC)
.320 Revolver (.320 Bulldog, .320 Webley)
7.5 mm Swiss Army (7.5 mm 1882 Ordnance)
7.7 mm Bittner
8 mm Rast-Gasser (8 mm Gasser)
8 mm Nambu
8 mm Lebel Revolver
(8 mm French Ordnance )
8 mm Pieper
7.5 mm Nagant
(7.5 mm Swedish Nagant)
8 mm Roth-Steyr
8.5 mm Mars
9 mm Japanese Revolver
9 mm Ultra(9 mm Police, 9x18 mm)
9 mm Glisenti
9 mm Parabellum(9 mm Luger, 9 mm NATO, 9x19 mm)
9 mm Federal (9x19 mmR)
9 mm Browning Long (9x20 mmSR)
9x21 mm (9 mm IMI)
.356 TSW (9x21.5 mm)
9 mm Action Express (9 mm AE)
.38-45 Auto(.45-38 Clerke, .45-38 Hard Head)
9 mm Steyr (9x23 mm Steyr)
9 mm Largo(9 mm Bergmann-Bayard, 9x23 mm)
9 mm Mauser (9x25 mm Mauser)
9 mm Dillon (9x25 mm Dillon)
9 mm Mauser (9x25 mm Mauser)
9 mm Winchester Magnum
.380 ACP
(9 mm Kurz, 9mm Short, 9x17 mm)
9x23 mm Winchester
.38 Casull
9 mm Mars
.38 Short Colt
.38 Long Colt
.38 Special
.38 AMU (.38 Army Marksmanship Unit)
.357 Peterbilt (.357 WIldey Magnum)
.357 AutoMag (.357 AMP)
.357-45 GWM(.357/45 Grizzly Winchester Magnum)
.357/44 Bain & Davis
.357 Magnum (9x31 mmR, .353 Casull)
.360 DW
.357 Remington Maximum(.357 Maximum)
.357 SuperMag
.357 SIG
.38 ACP (.38 Auto, 9x23 mmSR)
.38 Super
.38 Super Comp
.38 S&W(.38 Colt New Police, .380 Rim)
9 mm Makarov (9x18 mm PM)
9x21 mm Gyurza
.380 Revolver Short
.380 Revolver LongBritish Webley pattern from 1860s)
.375 SuperMag
9.8 mm Auto Colt(9.65 mm Browning Automatic)
.41 Long Colt(smokeless inside-lubricated variant)
.40 S&W(.40 Auto, .40 Short, 10x22 mm)
10 mm Auto (10 mm Norma, 10x25 mm)
10 mm Magnum
.40 Super
.40 G&A
.40 G&A Magnum
.400 CorBon
.41 Short Colt
.41 Long Colt
.38-40 Winchester (.38-40 WCF)
.401 Powermag (.401 Herter's Powermag)
.41 Action Express (.41 AE)
.41 Avenger
.41 Wildey Magnum (10 mm Wildey Magnum)
.41 Special
.41 Remington Magnum(.41 Magnum)
.414 SuperMag
10.4 mm Italian (10.4 mm Italian Ordnance)
10.4 mm Swiss (.41 Swiss)
.44 Russian(.44 Smith & Wesson Russian)
.44 Special (.44 S&W Special)
.44 Magnum (.44 Remington Magnum)
.44-40 Winchester (.44 WCF)
.445 SuperMag
.440 Cor-bon
.44 Wildey Magnum(11 mm Wildey Magnum)
.44 AMP (.44 AutoMag)
.44 S&W American (.44 American)
.442 Webley (.442 Kurz, 10.5x17 mmR)
.44 Bull Dog
.44 Colt
11.75 mm Montenegrin(11 mm Gasser, 11.25x36 mm)
11.35 mm Schouboe(11.35x18 mm, .45 Schouboe)
11 mm French Ordnance
11 mm German Service(10.6 mm GS, 10.8 mm GS)
.460 Rowland
.45 Winchester Magnum(.45 WinMag, .45 NAACO)
.450 Magnum Express
.45 Webley
.45 Auto Rim (.45 Automatic Rimmed)
.45 GAP (.45 Glock)
.45 HP(.45 Hirtenberger Patrone, .45 Italian)
.45 ACP (.45 Auto, 11.43x23 mm)
.45 Super
.450 SMC(.450 Short Magnum Cartridge)
.45 Wildey Magnum
.451 Detonics (.451 Detonics Magnum)
.454 Casull (.45 Magnum)
.455 SuperMag
.460 S&W Magnum
.455 Webley (.455 Webley Revolver)
.45 Schofield (.45 Smith & Wesson)
.45 Colt Government
.45 Long Colt (.45 Colt)
.45 Mars Short
.45 Mars Long
.450 Adams (.450 Boxer,.450 Corto)
.455 Webley Auto
.455 Revolver Mk I (.455 Colt)
.476 Enfield(.476 Eley, .476 Revolver, .455/476)
.480 Ruger
.475 Wildey Magnum
.475 Linebaugh
.475 Linebaugh Long (.475 Maximum)
12.3x22 mm (Udar revolver cartridge)
12.3x40 mm(STs-110) (Udar revolver cartridge)
12.3x50 mm (Udar revolver cartridge)
.50 GI
.50 Action Express (.50 AE)
.500 Wyoming Express (.500 WE)
.500 JRH
.500 S&W Special
.500 S&W Magnum
.50 Remington
.50 Special (.50 Bowen Special)
.500 Linebaugh
.500 Linebaugh Long (.500 Maximum)
.505 SuperMag (.510 SuperMag)
13 mm Gyrojet
.577 Boxer (.577 Eley, .577 Webley)
From my reading I think you might add to your listings:
.320 Short Revolver
.320 Long Revolver
.22 ILARCO RF
.22 Extra Long RF
.22 Winchester Automatic RF
.22 Remington Automatic RF
.25 Stevens Short RF
.25 Stevens Long RF
.32 Extra Short RF
.32 Short RF
.32 Long RF
.32 Long Rifle RF
.32 Extra Long RF

I know there are many more; but these are the ones I am reasonably familiar with that I did not see in your list.

Maximum Velocity is probably beyond any real determination with certainty as any person can hand load a hotter load either by design or by accident.
And are you stating a limit on the barrel length?
That would have a big effect on the fired velocity of any round.
Best Regards,
Chev. William

[Chev. William]

Also add the .22CCM Cartridge to the list, it is reported as between the .22WMR and .22 Hornet in power.
Also, an alternate name for the .25 Stevens Long RF is .25-10-60 or .25-10 as used to mark Winchester and Colt firearms chambered for them. In the same vein, .25-5 would be used for the .25 Stevens Short.
Best Regards,
Chev. William