Not a Lever but still nice

[Bret4207]

Model 14 Remingtom. Note the buttstock has been scraped and "refinished". But the sight makes it worth waht I paid. 32 remington.



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[9.3X62AL]

You off-topic scoff-law, you. Transgressions like this are just further evidence of the pending collapse of Western Civilization.

Nice-looking rifle ya got there. These Remington pumps have a graceful design that is somewhat lacking in their later 870-looking pump rifle series. My sole experience with the 35 Remington came through use of a Rem 14, and I passed on a chance to buy it at a decent price. I regret that now, but at the time I thought that sub-MOA rifles were required to make venison--unless they had levers on them.

[NVcurmudgeon]

Bret, your collection is starting to look like mine. First an '03, then a Krag, now a Remington pump gun. I have a M141 in .30 Rem which shoots as well as any .30/30, and is a lot of fun to watch, reciprocating magazine and all! Huntington's in Oroville, CA has plenty of .30 Rem. brass, dunno about .32's but forming is easy.

[NVcurmudgeon]

Bret, just noticed the cool Lyman tang sight. I paid $75 for mine, but doubt if you could touch one for that now. Also, I think dies are in all manufacturer's "Group Outrageous." Full length sizing is a must unless you have arms like Popeye. Those Remingtons don't have a lot of seatng power.

[6pt-sika]

I first saw a Remington Model 14 or 141 back about 1972 when I was 11 years old . The local TV serviceman in our area had a pretty decent collection of guns and in his collection he had (if memory serves) a 30 REM and a 32 REM . They always stuck in my mind because of the mag tube . I always referred to them as the "pumps with the drill bit tubes" . Since then I have often thought of getting one in all 4 calibers (25 , 30 , 32 and 35).



There's a dealer close to Williamsport PA that has a massive selection of old sporting rifles . Many many Winchester levers of variouse models in variouse conditions . Also quite a few Marlin levers in many models and conditions , which was the reason I set foot in the shop to begin with .

As I looked over the rifles in the racks I came upon about 30 Remington Model 14 and 141's . Again some looked good and some looked well well used . And a few looked abused . Can't remmember the prices as this was about three years ago .But they had quite a few in all the calibers except the 25 REM . I don't remmember seeing a 25 in the bunch , but then again I wasn't looking them over with a fine tooth comb as I was with the Marlin's . I however now that I think about it seem to remmember seeing prices from about $275 up to $600 .

I think at some point I would like to find a decent 14 or 141 in all four calibers . I think the most expensive part will be brass and dies !

[Bret4207]

Yeah, the dies are apparently made of "unobtainium". These are pretty popular in this area. Some are shooters, some less so. Usually the 25's shoot pretty good. The 30's I've seen for some reason always seem to have issues, like broken stocks, missing sights. No idea why. This is only the 2nd or 3rd 32 I've ever seen. It's just one of those rifles I kept picking up and shouldering. I knew one day it would disappear and I'd be left kicking myself.

[twotrees]

When I was 16 (MANY moons ago) a kid offered me his grandpaw's 141 in 35 Rem, with the original box of shells, for $25 (5 fired out of it) . My Dad said "NO !!!" and that was that. I still think of that old (But nearly brand new rifle) every time I see one like it.

I have heard tell you can use 32 Win dies with a shell holder for the rimless case, to load for these. You might look in to it, since you say the dies are Un-Obtainum.

Good Luck with your fine find.

TwoTrees

[onceabull]

You gentlemen on the look for one of these in 25 rem. ,please remember me should you find same and not buying for whatever reason.. Have one to several of the other caliber options,but the 25 is at least as rare here as a tarpon in the Salmon River...:roll: Onceabull

[Bret4207]

I have heard tell you can use 32 Win dies with a shell holder for the rimless case, to load for these. You might look in to it, since you say the dies are Un-Obtainum.

Good Luck with your fine find.

TwoTrees


Huh! Now that tickles a memory. I'll have to compare case drawings. Thanks 2trees.:-D

[C A Plater]

I believe the .25 Remington uses the same head as the .30 Remington and the current 6.8SPC. #19 RCBS if I recall correctly. CH lists the .25 and I think Redding might also.

[6pt-sika]

I think you can most likely get a set of dies for the 25 , 30 or 32 from CH4D for about $70 a set . Not cheap , but not unattainable either .

I have a set of CH4D for 32 Long Colt and 25-36 Marlin . And I think neither of these was over $80 shipped .

[jawjaboy]

Since we are waaaaay off levertopic here! I find it ironic that I bring this Model 14 home today, Google it, and wind up here, from there!

It's a .35, a little rough around the edges, but has potential...dependent upon price mind you. A co-worker wants to sell it, so I'll check it over aand make him an offer of some sort.

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[Bret4207]

Nice rifle, consider the wear and tears "battle scars". Hard to beat a 35 although the stock design does let you know it went off.

The one I got has the Lyman tang and both the original barrel mounted sights. All in very nice condition. Usually the rear sight will be missing or the tang sight missing and plug screws gone.

I bought a 32 cal Lyman mould a couple years ago with this rifle in mind. I guess I knew this was coming!

My apologies for posting this in lever guns, but it just didn't seem to fit anywhere else. I shall find a thorn apple tree and impale myself repeatedly as pennance. No, wait, better yet I shall listen to Hillary interviews while looking a photos of Rosie O'Donnell. That should certianly satisfy ANY POSSIBLE offense I have commited.....

[Nueces]

Yeah, but you'll need post-penance purification prior to posting again. :-D

Mark

[357tex]

Bret
very nice find I keep looking one here in northeast Texas in 35 cal,I would even take one in 32.nice sight indeed.

[lar45]

That's a great looking ol-shootin-Iron. I think it fits here in the "out of the main stream boom sticks of a few decades ago".

I've seen a couple in passing, but never shot one.
What is a good price for one, if I happen to see one in the lost and found needing a new home?

[Bret4207]

I would say a GOOD price would be anything under $350.00 assuming it's in nice shape. Add $50-100.00 for a nice tang sight and add more for a minty job. For a beater I'd figure $200.00 plus. They gotta be worth at least as much as a comparable Win 94.

[9.3X62AL]

Jawja, the condition of that rifle--honest use--attracts me strongly. If bore is strong and mechanics are good, cosmetics don't matter a bit. These aren't showroom wonders to be carried by a bearer--they are field rifles meant for hard-working hard-hunting outdoors people to make venison or pork with.

Just like leverguns. Bret, ya chose a forum section well.

[Pilgrim]

I have two Model 14's for sale right now. One is in .30 Rem. and the other is in .25 Rem. The .30 Rem is completely stock with the curved "rifle" buttplate. The .25 Rem has after market sights but shoots well. I'll take what I paid for them - $300 each. Pictures will be posted if anybody is interested in these. My .35 Rem Model 141 is also most likely going on the sales block as well. It will sell for $350 (better condition & I believe NEVER shot with jacketed ammunition). As soon as the rifles sell, I also have dies for all three, plus a bunch of new .30 Rem and .35 Rem brass. The .25 and .30 dies are CH4D and will go for $30, the .35 dies (RCBS) will go for $20. I bought all of these dies new and they look llike it! FWIW....Pilgrim (aka Duane Bogen)

[onceabull]

Pilgrim: Duane,I'm wanting the 25 R, Pending only a peek at photos,and the 25 and 30 dies sets regardless...30 rem. brass,maybeso,dependent on pricing. Needing quickie response,as leaving for elk hunting early next week. will get funds to you before leaving ,if possible, with shipping to come once I'm Back,if OK.?/ Thansk, Onceabull

[jawjaboy]

Jawja, the condition of that rifle--honest use--attracts me strongly. If bore is strong and mechanics are good, cosmetics don't matter a bit. These aren't showroom wonders to be carried by a bearer--they are field rifles meant for hard-working hard-hunting outdoors people to make venison or pork with.

Just like leverguns. Bret, ya chose a forum section well.

The bore looks fairly decent. It is missing the buttplate, and the rear sight elevation bar. I've been told that it will not pick up the next round when cycled. I'll have to check deeper into it's overall condition next week while on vacation. I agree, battle scars never have played real heavy on me. I'm a ~function over form~ type anyway! ;-) I'll put a good cipher on it....and holler back at y'all.

[woody1]

I have heard tell you can use 32 Win dies with a shell holder for the rimless case, to load for these. You might look in to it, since you say the dies are Un-Obtainum.

Good Luck with your fine find.

TwoTrees

YUP. I load 32 Rem. with 32 Win. Spl. dies. I expand the neck for cast with a .323 from a 310 tool 8mm set. If you're loading brass shot in another rifle, there might be a problem 'cause I don't' think you want to fully resize in the 32 win. dies as the shoulders surely aren't the same. So far I've found that I can do it OK with mild to medium boolit loads. Haven't tried any factory equivalent stuff but I'd bet it would work fine. Regards, Woody

[auzzie101]

Okay Fella's now I have a question. I just purchased a 30 Remington model 141 and have heard that I can use 30-30 dies for reloading. Has anybody tried this? I've tried searching 30 remington but that seems pointless because of all the hits that come back and none of them are for 30 rem. I was thinking I could add a caliber to my collection without the cost of dies, maybe I should rethink.

[6pt-sika]

I know for a fact that Redding makes 25 , 30 and 32 dies as reguler production items . However I think they are about $50-70 a set .:???:

I have the perfect mould for the 25 REM , it's the same one I use in my 25-36 Marlin . It's the Lyman 257325 . Thats a 111 grain GC RN bullet . They shoot pretty well in my Marlin .

[Bret4207]

REdding, CH4d, RCBS, everyone but Lee seems to make dies. I'm cheap. I'll try the 32 Special dies.

[quack1]

Bret- Is the sight on your M-14 a Lyman or Marbles? I have a M-14 in .35 Rem and the Lyman sight on it looks to be about 1/2 the length of yours. Just curious. Enjoy your gun, they point just like a shotgun. I have shot a couple deer with mine, one with jacketed and the others with a 358430 with a meplate filed on it.

[C A Plater]

REdding, CH4d, RCBS, everyone but Lee seems to make dies.
You say that like it's a bad thing.:-D

[lar45]

I like the Lee expanders much more than the RCBS ones. They are especially better at necking up brass to a much bigger size.
I just looked in COTW and the 30 Rem and 30-30 are not the same. The shoulder is slightly different in diameter and location. It looks like you could neck size the 30 Rem with 30-30 dies if they were turned out slightly. It wouldn't size the body except for the base though.
So if neck sized brass will chamber then I guess you could load with 30-30 dies.

I did read an article once that almost said the 30 Rem was a rimless 30-30, and the same for the 25 and 32. How misleading a generalization can be.

[Bret4207]

Well, no complaints on Lee dies from me. There are a couple little things I'd change, but overall they work as good as anything else. Same for everyone elses dies. I recall when Hornady came out with their new dies aroound 1990. Great dies, except the seater falls out every 10 rounds.

[floodgate]

lar 45:

It's even more confusing: when the Remington Model 8 was introduced, two of its calibers were identified as ".25-35 Remington" and ".30-30 Remington", and early rifles were so marked. I recently got, after many inquiries among cartridge collectors , a loaded round with the headstamp "U.S.C.Co. / .30-30 Rem." (with the "US"-stamped primer). (No-one has reported any similarly-marked .25 Rems.). Can you imagine the confusion THAT must have caused back then?!?

floodgate