How fast can this Hornet Laod go without leading

[PB234]

Plan is to use a 37 grain boolit, gas check, Unique, Lee Alox lube, small pistol primer

How fast can this go in a Hornet without leading. I could pan lube them but prefer to just use Alox for now.

Same question also for a .223. Although I suspect it is the same speed I would rather ask and learn the easy way.

Thanks, Jeff

[Bullshop]

With a good lube and a good fit of bullet to throat you can max out the hornet without leading. I don't know about alox.
I pushed the 38gn NOE copy of the Lyman 225107 to 3650 fps from a 221 fire ball using Lotak lube and there was no leading.

[Iowa Fox]

With a good lube and a good fit of bullet to throat you can max out the hornet without leading. I don't know about alox.
I pushed the 38gn NOE copy of the Lyman 225107 to 3650 fps from a 221 fire ball using Lotak lube and there was no leading.

Dan, What alloy were you using? I've got that mold and plenty of Speed Green & Lotak. Just need some time to try it out.

[altheating]

Not the same boolit but with Speed Greed or Lotak Lube I'm shooting a 47 grainer (WW and lino) at 2550 fps with super accuracy and no leading at all. Four K Hornets, same load, all very accurate. I just can't get that NOE 226107 boolit to shoot as well as the BRP 47 grainer. Dan, What was the best accuracy you got from that 37 grainer out of the Fireball?

[altheating]

Iowa Fox, take a look at this http://www.castpics.net/subsite2/ByCaliber/Cast%20Bullets%20in%20the%2022%20Hornet.pdf
A good article on the hornet. I suspect your velocity will be dependent on the max load using Unique. I would opt for a better lube than Alox, order some Lotak from Bullshop. A little goes a long ways with the 22 cal boolits.

[Sensai]

I'm not a speed freak, but I did try to see if I could get jacketed speed out of my Savage 340 22 Hornet with boolits. The best I could do without leading was with oven heat treated 50/50 wheelweight and Lino. The boolit was my favorite 225438 with check, lube was NRA formula and powder was Lil'Gun. The most I could get was just above 3100. The accuracy was good right up to the point of leading, then went south quickly. That rifle has a lapped groove diameter of .2243 and the boolits were sized to .2255. Rem 6 1/2 primers. I don't give load charges over the Internet.

[Iowa Fox]

Thanks altheating

[nanuk]

I've got two hornet rifles

an H&R Handi (with a 1/9 maybe a 1/12 twist) and a Savage 219 which should be a 1/16 twist. the Savage has 26" tube. if the Handi shoots real good, I may ream the savage to 225Win.

I'm on the list for the NOE225107 and can't wait to try it. I'm also going to try the Cu alloy in it also....

[Bullshop]

The 3650 fps was just a test to see how fast without leading and was not focused on accuracy. At that velocity The best I got was about 3 moa. Dropping to 3500 fps accuracy improved to about 2 moa.
As for the boolit itself, the NOE 107 I have gotten outstanding accuracy from my smaller 22 cal cartridges. The 221 and 22 CCM are at the top of their game with this boolit. Tried in a 22/250 and not as good results, but the same 22/250 will stack boolits from the NOE 62gn RCBS copy. Guns and people, there's no two alike and that's just the way it is.
I have gotten such good results across the board with Lotak lube I now use it in all my smokeless rifle loads.
I have put away the 22 for a bit and am embarking on a 6mm doctorate. Focusing primarily on the RCBS 95gn fngc in 6x45, 6mm Rem, 6mm Rem IMP., 243 Win and 243 Win Imp.
My goal is to find accurate loads above 2000 fps using surplus powders that I have in quantity. One load that is standing out and staying within the criteria is with WC-844 powder. In a Rem 600 in 6mm Rem with 24.5 gn wc-844, the remainder of the case filled with Styrofoam packing popcorn has given some very impressive 200 yard groups even here on the open prairie where the wind never quits.
Going from mid weight 22 to heavy weight 6mms shows quite a reduction in wind drift and is why I have moved to the caliber.
Using a mil-dot system I am able to hit a bowling ball with regularity at 500 yards, if that blasted wind is steady.

[Larry Gibson]

PB234

If velocity is part of your quest (assuming so because of the question) I suggest a slower burning powder than Unique in the 22 Hornet. Suggest 2400, 4759, 5744 or 4227.

I also have worked with the 225107 quite a bit in my Hornets. I find the heavier Loverin designed 225438 to also be more accurate at top end Hornet velocities of 2400 - 2600 fps. My suspicion is the shorter bearing surface of the 225107 and its flat nose are the limiting factors when compared to the 225438.

Larry Gibson

[Bullshop]

Larry is giving good advice. My favorite hornet powders with boolits include 4227 of either brand and IMR 4759.

[PB234]

Thanks for the help. Last time I went out searching for powder it was not aimed at Unique and felt lucky to find Unique. Have to go to the shops again and see what is on the shelves. Sort of hoping Unique will tide me through till the shelves are again stocked.

[altheating]

Yup, IMR4227 here as well.

[Larry Gibson]

If Unique is all you got right now it will suffice for some very good cast loads upwards of 2000 fps. Suggest starting at 3 gr and work up to 5 gr in .3 gr increments. Accuracy on a 100 yard target with 10 shot groups will tell you where the accuracy is in there.

Larry Gibson

[TCTex]

In my experiences, ALOX starts to loose it arount 1800-1900fps. I am shooting my 14in 22K Hornet at 1800fps with green dot and a 55gr Bator mold that has been tumbled lubed with ALOX and it will shoot sub MOA all day long. If that helps any...

Duane

[PB234]

Thanks to all. Very helpful info.

[leadman]

Accurat 1680 should give you excellent accuracy but not top velocity. 2,500 fps is easy to do with it. W296 will give 3,000 fps. This is with the Lyman 44gr RN w/GC.