SHTF Kit

[dudel]

What do y'all keep in your SHTF kit. Enough to keep you in ammo and boolits should you be away from your main location?

I keep a Lee Loader for every round I use, and enough makings for 100 rounds of each (including jacketed). Also some molds, alox, small pot, ladle, etc.

The Dillon's just not too portable.

[Love Life]

Peanut butter and a firearm of unknown description.

[btroj]

Don't have one

[429421Cowboy]

Granted, loaded rounds are easier to carry than any loading kits, but i do have a small loading bag.
I keep a bag setup for my Lee Loaders because i can't take my full setup with me when i go back to school this fall and am living in a condo. Thus, i can enjoy my loading still with the little loaders and a hammer, until i get back here to the Rockchucker. Right now, all i have is a loader for a 12 guage and 9mm, but i'm always looking for other ones in rounds i shoot. Really, those are the guns i'll take with me to school since thats all i can lock up there, and both work ok with plinking grade ammo, where as my 7mm Rem Mag i prefer to have a bit more control over the quality of my hunting rounds.
The convenient part about 9mm and 12 guage is that both my loads use Red Dot, so i only need one kind of powder with me and the dippers for each. I keep a pair of Lyman calipers, lube, primer pocket cleaner, and other small tools in the kit, none of which need batteries. I do put my Hornady scale in there as a safety check, but if SHTF and i couldn't get batteries i'd be counting on the dippers and Lee chart for load info, i also keep a manual with it just in case i needed a double check. A plastic Coke bottle makes a good way to carry shot for the 12 guage loads, and boolits for the 9. Of course primers for each, i carry a few hundred. A mallet and my RCBS hand primer (HATE the Lee priming system with a hammer, makes me pucker!) and i am good to go, all in a small tackle bag. As it sits, i could throw loaders for .38/.357, .45 ACP, .44 Spl/Mag, or many common rifle calibers and boolits in and still be good to go with a single kind of powder. Gotta love how useful mid-range shotgun powders are for reloading!

[Jim]

Don't have one

Don't need one.

[btroj]

Exactly Jim. That is why I don't have one.

[bgoff_ak]

porn, booze and bullets. each is a commodity in itself.

[Epd230]

porn, booze and bullets. each is a commodity in itself.

I stocked up in the first two, then got so preoccupied, plain forgot what I did with the third!:veryconfu

[wallenba]

No point in it for me. Once my meds are used up, I will be too, unless I can get more somehow.

[bgoff_ak]

I stocked up in the first two, then got so preoccupied, plain forgot what I did with the third!:veryconfu
its uhmm fire starter, insulation, reading material, fine art… its actually of historical significance.

[sparky45]

Well, since it's not a matter of will it happen, but when, I'd say water, matches and Toilet Paper.

[Finster101]

If the SHTF, a kit ain't savin your butt. I don't have one.

[USMC87]

I don't have one either.

[TES]

Well if the SHTF I hope its in summer and does not last long because there isn't much that I can put in a bag that is gonna save me in the winter here.

[btroj]

Most important tool will be between your ears. If it possesses the proper knowledge you MIGHT just survive. Guns, ammo, and what not wont help you much without shelter or water.

Yeah, I'm not much into the "prepped" thing

[waksupi]

I bugged out nearly 40 years ago. Got everything I need right here.

[mdi]

Well, I've thought about it (not putting myself in a survival situation with preparations, etc. , just thinkin' as I'm relying on my God in any SHTF situation, or The Rapture). I would carry more ammo in place of a reloader, bullets (or pot, ladle, and lead), powder, and primers. I could get a lot of components and tools in a shoebox, but that shoebox would hold a lot of ammo too. So extra ammo. It could be traded too, for toilet paper, booze, etc...

[longbow]

I'm with btroj and Jim ~ knowledge is the best tool for survival.

My take is that if it ever happens ~ that is total collapse, then you would be better off with a bow and edged weapons. Stay away from people, stay out of sight and be quiet if you want to live!

I watched a talk show many years ago where one of the early preppers was talking about how he had guns and fuel and food and a bunker and... and the last one was "... 200 miles of neighbuors with guns between me and the Russians when they come...". I figure he has more to worry about with 200 miles of neighbours with guns when many likely know what he has. After they are finished he won't have much left for the Russians. Oh wait... we aren't worried about the Russians anymore are we? Oh well, there is always someone.

I don't have one either. To each his own.

Longbow

[Ohio Rusty]

If it got that bad ...... I'm going to carry my flintlock smoothbore and my air rifle and become invisible to the marauding hoardes. Then I really only need one gun and finding a rock that will spark is pretty easy. I have no desire to get into a firefight with a group of people. The more shootouts you get into, the more of a change of you getting shot. If you take a bullet ....you have just become a liability to your group or family and are now a burden instead of an asset.
There is always someone stronger than you or a better or luckier shot than you. I prefer to be not seen.
One of the best survival tools in my arsenal is my air rifle. It will take about every edible small thing that flies, walks, hops, swims, slithers or runs.
Ohio Rusty ><>

[starmac]

If one believes what he reads on the shtf sites. it sounds like it might be safer to head to the city. There is going to be too many nutcases walking around the woods. lol

[starmac]

I very seldom go to the range, but when I do it is never on a weekend, and most times it will be around midnight.

[1bluehorse]

Well the SHTF stuff happens a couple times a month aroung here it seems and it's usually handled with assorted hand tools, fence pliers, shovel, (sometimes the backhoe) maybe a trip into town to pick up needed parts for repair of whatever the S hit....and on a rare occasion just a hot shower :shock:...the rest of this "every man for himself" type of S in my opinion is just some immature thinking from watching to much U-tube, video games, armaggedon movies and other such stupidity. In a "real" situation, you better hope for good folks to come along with their tractors, plows, seed and knowhow on how to grow and raise crops and continue on with a "normal" society of people helping people....not running around with your guns, all camo'ed up shooting badguys. That would make you the "bad guys" in my opinion, and you probably wouldn't last long in my neck of the woods....grow up...

[bbqncigars]

In a real SHTF situation, you need: safe water, food, shelter. All the rest should support those three. Myself, I have buttloads of CCI 22lr. Yeah, I got the makings for huge amounts of various centerfire ammo, but an accurate 22lr can fulfill many roles. I have accurate and reliable 22s in both pistol and rifle. If the nitty got gritty, I think 22lr would be a better investment than gold. I was severely unemployed in the Rockies in the mid seventies, and my grandpa's old single shot 22lr kept me from starving. I had other guns, but that gun is quiet and utterly dependable. Give me that old gun and a handful of ammo, and I'll eat just fine. YMMV, void where prohibited and slippery when wet.

[sparky45]

I bugged out nearly 40 years ago. Got everything I need right here.

That's the spirit!!

[Vindicated]

This past couple of years has been the biggest SHTF test for me. I used to work at nice IT company. Right before the bubble burst, I lost my job and house. I have wonderful parents that were able to provide shelter, but not much more. Father lost his job too and two older sisters, each with kids of their own to take care of, also lost their jobs. It was crazy. Three families under one roof. Then my farther got injured and had to have his leg amputated. I found myself doing PC repair on the side while taking a crash course in Nursing 101.

I forget exactly when, but I remember visiting a friend and we started drinking, talking, etc. My garden comes up and he jokingly asked why I didn't just grow weed.The idea stood in my head for a while and when I couldn't find anymore side jobs I started taking a serious look at it. I read up on the laws and discovered it was sort of qausi or defacto legal in my state, but there was a lot of gray areas and crossing them meant serious prison time.

However, I was desperate and the idea sounded kinda of exciting. So for less then $40.00 to start up and some heavy internet reading, I was able to grow a dozen plants, each yielding a few pounds. The price of weed at the time was almost on par with gold. It was nuts.

After getting over the fear of the local police coming in guns blazing, I quickly started to fear local criminals. Foreclosures kept happening. Everyone was hurting and suddenly we had a wave of home invasions and robberies. Six homes within a 1 mile radius got broken into (two while the people were home), a college kid gets shot in the drive through of a Taco Bell I frequently visit, a neighbor's kid gets shot on school property while walking to his parents car (he wasn't even the target, the other kid just had really bad aim) and the final straw was when a migrant worker (Hispanic male pushing a food cart) was shot in front of my parents home. I still remember driving up seeing the body just laying there and two officers standing there guarding the scene, drinking coffee and laughing about who knows what.

So that was it. I decided I'm arming myself. Only one little problem. ATF says if you grow weed (or smoke weed) you wave your rights to bear arms. Complete BS if you ask me, but that's the law as I understand it. I stopped growing weed, sold the little equipment I had, and used the money to secure my family's home.

Started hitting the range and renting guns, which quickly lead to me buying a gun and soon after, taking up reloading as a hobby. Then right as I start getting comfortable I find myself in the largest gun and ammo shortage in history. So I went back on Craigslist, made a few trades, and stocked up on everything I was low on.

Going back to the OP's original question... I don't know what I'd do in a complete and total SHTF doomsday scenario. I don't have no fancy prepper-kit, but I do know there will always be people who are willing to trade just about anything for weed, tobacco, beer and firearms. Knowing how to barter is invaluable.

Oh yeah, about my family... things are a lot better. I landed a new IT job and a wonderful girlfriend, father got financial assistance from the hospital, siblings got jobs and moved out. It was a really scary storm, but we weathered it. Maybe not the best way, but we did it our way.

[HATCH]

There is only a handful of SHTF situations

(1) ZOMBIES - this is my favorite. Not gonna ever happen but if you plan for this one you got the rest covered.
(2) Invasion (AKA RED DAWN) - highly unlikely
(3) civil unrest - this is the most likely situation your gonna run into.
(4) nuclear devastation - I live 45 mins away from the Savannah River plant. Last time I heard its still a primary target. What you gonna put in your SHTF bag for that one?? Body bags?

Now for a SHTF "bug out" bag.
I don't have one. I don't plan to run anywhere. I am a 40 year old fat man. I don't run. I stay and defend my family.
I mean really your gonna use a lee loader to load 100 rds of ammo to defend yourself??
I suppose that if you end up walking the earth like in the movie BOOK OF ELI then a lee loader would be cool if you could find primers...

I think the biggest thing we (as in americans) have to worry about is Civil unrest.
In that situation who ever comes after you will be armed. So it will be kill them or die trying. If you kill them then you have their weapon and ammo.

I am still holding out for Zombies myself...

[dragon813gt]

Mine is called my house. I don't plan on going anywhere. I will either survive or die trying. I live w/in the "zone" of a nuclear power plant so if that ever becomes an issue I won't be around long. I also have faith in human society. The only event that would set us back centuries is a large meteor strike. The lucky people will be the ones close by that don't even realize what happened. The nuclear winter that happens after could very well wipe everyone out depending on the size of the strike. This is more likely to happen than a stupid zombie scenario.

[jmorris]

The Dillon's just not too portable

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That's not for SHTF though. If I ever felt compelled to leave the security of my land/home I don't think I would want to have to keep track of a bunch of components.

A lot easier to keep track of and more usefull if they are put together.

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[I'll Make Mine]

I'm with Hatch, only I'm older -- I'm 53, forty pounds overweight and out of shape enough that a brisk walk the length of the warehouse I work in has me breathing deep and heavy (and if I do it first thing in the morning, I get a little tightness in my chest, probably thirty years of high cholesterol at work). Oh, and did I mention I have no teeth? Had 'em all extracted about five years ago, and dentures never did fit -- then ran out of money to pay for getting the dentures improved and/or impacted teeth that interfere removed.

For me, bugging out would be literal suicide; might as well just eat a bullet. I don't have the money to stock up on anything if it were available; I barely keep the rent and bills paid, sometimes I have to skimp a little on groceries (never reach the point of not having food in the house, but oatmeal and rice get really boring after a bit). Most times, I don't have anything like a full tank of gas in either car ('94 Escort and '90 Aerostar), though there's usually enough in the van to come close to topping up the tank in the Escort with a siphon (if I can find a hose to siphon with).

So, the plan is to hunker down; I've got 500 or so rounds for my Mosin, mostly corrosive surplus steel core light ball and a couple dozen soft point hunting rounds (with significantly different POI), a couple hundred for my .357 revolver divided between full jacket, soft point, and cast (all reasonably close to full house), and four hundred or so .22 LR, plus a bunch of CO2 and pellets for my air rifle; I've also got (once I finish smelting -- and my smelting/casting heat source will run fine on the gas in the car tanks) around seventy pounds of wheel weight ingots and molds and powder (and a couple hundred primers) to make mouse fart loads for the Mosin, which will make the .22 ammo last longer. The deer and rabbits I see in the yard (in town, so no hunting pressure, but backed against a green belt so woods against the back yard) wouldn't last a week in SHTF, but the neighborhood is full of dogs and there are racoons, possums, and squirrels; I'd probably get through one winter more or less okay (pipes freezing won't matter once the city water is shut off -- I'll haul water from the lake a couple hundred yards away and boil it over the smelting stove).

[sirgknight]

I'll stick to the woods. Food and water can be found and don't need toilet paper. Also won't have to put up with the nutcases in the city.


If one believes what he reads on the shtf sites. it sounds like it might be safer to head to the city. There is going to be too many nutcases walking around the woods. lol

[starmac]

Well folks in New Orleans didn't want to leave their homes either. There are many scenarios that we need to be prepared for, depending on what part of the country you are in..

[jcwit]

My age I'm not going to concern myself with SHTF. I'll put my trust in my Faith and My Lord.

[KinkBreaker]

if you are having to "buggout" for whatever reason wouldn't that mean you will be on foot. reloading tools will get real heavy real fast.
only the flintlock muzzleloader guys have something where you could argue that all components might be scavenge-able.

a thousand rounds of 223 weighs almost 30lbs, then you still gotta carry the rifle that uses them.

if you have concerns about your gear take it on a 3+ day camping trip. you have to move on foot hidden from roadways 5+ miles between overnight/sleeping areas. also you may not leave trash or scat anywhere or you may be tracked

[sparky45]

In re-reading the OP, there wasn't mention of a "bug out bag", but I suppose it might have been inferred. I, like a majority of posters/casters, are of advanced maturity and wouldn't think of "bugging out" in the first place. However, I do keep a supply of water, canned goods, extra Propane bottles and preserve some food stuffs from the Garden and have for some time now. I don't think it's a matter of whether a "crisis" is going to happen, but a matter of WHEN it will happen. Doesn't hurt a thing if one prepares for something to happen, not a thing.

[Jim]

In re-reading the OP, there wasn't mention of a "bug out bag", but I suppose it might have been inferred. I, like a majority of posters/casters, are of advanced maturity and wouldn't think of "bugging out" in the first place. However, I do keep a supply of water, canned goods, extra Propane bottles and preserve some food stuffs from the Garden and have for some time now. I don't think it's a matter of whether a "crisis" is going to happen, but a matter of WHEN it will happen. Doesn't hurt a thing if one prepares for something to happen, not a thing.

Same here, Sparky. Janet and I are are too old to be out on the highway with the rest of the fools wondering "Which way do I go, which way do I go?". I wouldn't say we've got enough to last us forever, but we've got enough to last us a lot longer than what I could carry if we leave. Besides, bein' out in the country has advantages you won't find in an urban setting.

[km101]

Too tired to run, too mean to die, and too old to much give a damn. If the SHTF I will stay where I am. I have water storage, canned food stocks, more guns than I could carry and plenty of ammo. I could not transport enough supplies to last me and my spouse for any meaningful length of time or any significant distance. And if there is major civil unrest cars and trucks will be targets, so vehicles are out. Besides, like most people my age, I require significant amounts of medication that I cannot stockpile. So it would not do me any good to go off to a wilderness hideout where there is no pharmacy. I know, there would be no pharmacies open during a SHTF incident, but I would get all I could before it was destroyed. Anyway, that's my plan, and I am enjoying reading about all the others. And even picking up some tips!

[Andrew Mason]

i would rather just load the ammo before hand than carry a "portable" reloading kit

[Wal']

Too tired to run, too mean to die, and too old to much give a damn.

What km101 said............plus as much .22 as I can stash & carry.......if you have food, you will trade/barter for whatever else needed!

[warf73]

I've been asked several times if my family has planned for a SHTF scenario. In this thread and in person I'll say the same, I keep enough water and food supplies for my family for 3 months 4 at the most, with enough ammo to defend it (we aren't leaving our house).
At that point I'm asked why 3 or 4 months why not a year? I rattle some interesting facts/fiction about US citizens and prescription drugs. Over 50% of the US is on a prescription drug, 20% of them will die without their drug. So within 120 days give or take a few days over 20% of the US population will be dead due to lack of prescription drugs.
Just a fast scary fact if my number is right or close 20% that’s 62 million people dead or dying in 3 months without prescription drugs nothing else but lack of scripts.
Now we toss in rioting and general panic the first 48~72 hours of the event (whatever it is) we are talking close to 25% if not more of the US population dead or dying in the time frame I talk about.
I personally find the SHTF people that I work with funny as hell, 3 of them have 6 or 8 months’ worth of dry goods and bottle water. All 3 of them are on meds that keep them alive in one way or other and can't get more than 90 day supply of meds at once (how are medical is setup). Told all of them thanks for all the supplies, as I''LL be by to pick them up in 4 months after the event starts. I get a lot of F bombs but I told them they wouldn't know anyways so it would be ok if I take the supplies.

[starmac]

I guess folks have different ideas of what shtf is, to me it would be more of some sort of natural disaster that we could prepare for, firearms and ammunition would be a minor part of the preparations. These things happen to some extent in one part of the country or the other. The earthquake that hit alaska in 64 will kill several million people and displace lots more if it were to happen today. There are some things that can happen that would force one to leave their home.

[Lead Fred]

"But now whoever has a wallet must take it along, and his traveling bag, too. And the one who has no sword must sell his coat and buy one. Luke 22.36

I have a pack with everything I need to keep going for a month or so, complete LBE for carry what not, and a special shoulder bag for my 45/70 lever, and 30-30 ( one bag for each)

In these bags:

reloader 7 an entire one pound bottled filled to the top.
50 new empty cases ( my belt holds 55 loaded ones) giving me 105 cases
1/2 pint of boolit lube
veggie wad material and cutter punch
405 plain base lyman boolit mold (45/70) Ranch dog 165 mold for 30 WCF
wheel weight pliers
pouring ladle
1000 primers
Lee classic loader, with correct dipper for R-7 & belling tool
bag of dacron stuffing
kinetic hammer
100 405 PP Remmy bullets ( to be loaded right off so not to carry them do to weight
odds & ends tools for casting
can of Kroil oil
hammer

The pack, LBE & reloading bag weighs 2 lbs less than 1/4 of my current body weight. Which is what the military has said you should not exceed.

After a few weeks, I will weigh less, and will have to lighten the load. Should have a base of operations before that happens.

These articles are for a last ditch escape from our base camp, which is already manned, and supplied.

The evidence shows a economical collapse will happen between now and the fall of 2015.

If its mild like 2008, then its all for nothing, if not, its a security blanket that can be dismantled and used.

Just the reloader 7 I paid $17 a pound for, try and pay that now.

[jmorris]

Well folks in New Orleans didn't want to leave their homes either
I live above sea level, well above the 100 year flood plain for that matter. The biggest problem that could occur would be others fleeing towards me.

In other words I own the place other people would bring their "bug out" bag if SHTF.

[KinkBreaker]

Was just trying to show the difficulty of trying to live out of a bag, you guys are right about the prescription thing. Most people are living with the help of a supply chain.

The buggoutbag that stays with me is so I can walk home from a broken down truck if required, shtf or not. I have sunscreen and bug spray, 1 freeze dry meal, some water, candy, and a flash light

[tonyb]

Spam, beans and a sharp knife. lol

[429421Cowboy]

I thought this was started about reloading, not bugout bags and nutinfancy style "run and gun" in the woods philosophy.
I see no point in bugging out for most situations, we have the food, water and critters right here on the ranch, and PLENTY of open space between us and everything else.
But i thought we were talking about reloading given the OP and the section this was put in.

[KinkBreaker]

portable reloading gear.

[Voodoocld]

I'm not really a prepper, but i do enjoy the portability of my Ruger 10/22 takedown. You can pack up some spare mags, ammo, and food into that little backpack.
If you look on youtube, you'll find some videos of what people packed.

[sparkz]

Loaf of bread and a Golf club,, for ducks and geese,, here duck-ie, duck here duckie,,,,, Four,,,, hahaha I just keep foods and grab a pistol and sons 22LR
listin for first shot and zom in on my posables,, dispatching then with a 22lr,,



I do so love a roasted duck tho....

[jmorris]

I thought this was started about reloading, not bugout bags and nutinfancy style "run and gun" in the woods philosophy.
I see no point in bugging out for most situations, we have the food, water and critters right here on the ranch, and PLENTY of open space between us and everything else.
But i thought we were talking about reloading given the OP and the section this was put in.

From the OP


SHTF Kit
What do y'all keep in your SHTF kit. Enough to keep you in ammo and boolits should you be away from your main location?

I keep a Lee Loader for every round I use, and enough makings for 100 rounds of each (including jacketed). Also some molds, alox, small pot, ladle, etc.

The Dillon's just not too portable.

I assumed he was talking bug out or there would be no reason for portable reloading equipment.

I couldn't imagine how long it would take to load 100 rounds with the lee wack a loader but I do know it would be easier to carry 200 loaded rounds than it would be to carry all the stuff around to load 100. Not just the components but you also need a hammer and something to hammer it on, dry storage for the powder and primers. When you are done you have ammo that is only good in the bolt gun you fired the cases in the first time as the Lee loader only neck sizes.

In any case post #28 shows how to make a Dillon portable, it saves tons of time working up loads.

[KinkBreaker]

Off the rails I guess, I think it would be better to have already loaded the ammo. It would be terrible to dig up a stash and have to assemble the rounds then I would think

[lbaize3]

When the SHTF the first thing I will do is unplug the fan, if possible... Couldn't do it with Hurricanes Rita and Ike, but I sure was talking the the Boss upstairs about it. Then I will hunker down right here. Therefore no kit other than what is needed to take ammo from room to room. I will not prepare to leave, but I am more than prepared to defend what I have to survive most SHTF scenarios that will hit the Texas Gulf Coast area. If I am not prepared... then maybe I should go on to my reward...

[pipehand]

That whole "possibles bag" thing with loose boolits, powder etc. works for the frontstuffers, but that was the whole reason behind fixed ammo- so you could carry fixed ammo!

I've got a "Get Home" bag.

[otter5555]

i live in my "bugout" location full time so i dont have a shtf kit. my entire cabin is a casting/reloading room, my front porch has a built in shooting bench and my front pasture allows shots to 1000 meters from my bench :)

otter

[s1120]

I cant image having to leave. Im pretty high and dry. Enough open field for good sight of whats around me, and enough woods to give me some cover. If I had to run I would pack my 22, and my 38/357 revolvers, and my simple single shot shotgun. With that pack any ammo I can carry. All three are common, so if you run out, and need to find more... well it will be around somewere. Mostly Im working to raise my girls to have a clue, and to learn how to live without all that modern things civilations tells us we need. Im on the trip down the hill with my best days gone... they are the future.

[gwpercle]

Too darn old to care anymore, everytime you look around somebody hollerin " the sky is falling", Let it fall , can't do nuttin about it anyway. I think all this prepin for doomsday, Y2K, armageddon, end of the Mayan calander end of time or the invasion of the zombie hoard is generated by people who got stuff to sell. I know one fool who still has food and gasoline buried for the Y2K apocalypse...thats 13 years ago and he's still waiting for it to happen.

Gary

[UNIQUEDOT]

No point in it for me. Once my meds are used up, I will be too, unless I can get more somehow.

While I do have several backpacks loaded with survival gear they are for totally different reasons...they are ready to grab and go camping on a whim. In a disastrous event once my meds are gone I too will soon go.



I'll put my trust in my Faith and My Lord.

I agree totally...when all else is exhausted I'll sit back and wait for my Lord to take me to my Father.

[rmatchell]

I don't feel the need to run, where we are at thare are lots of farms and we know most everybody around us. Lots of family and friends close by so only real concern would be the crazy people trying to get away from it all. That being said I do have a portable kit that I take with me when I go to my inlaws which includes.

a lee hand press
a set of dies for what we will be loading
powder that I plan on using
a electronic scale
brass, bullets, and primers
and my laptop with scans of all my reloading books

So just enough to get by. I am not a "prepper" but fully believe in keeping enough on hand to take care of my family for a week or so.

[jmorris]

Just a question for the folks that are ready to live off of what they can carry, where do you plan to bug out to? Seems to me that the camp grounds will be jam packed.

[brassrat]

I need to lose my squeamish feelings concerning game meat no?

[Malgus]

Like a lot of y'all, we ain't going anywhere. We're bugging in. Far enough off the beaten path to be overlooked. Even if you used something like MapQuest or whatever to find us, you won't find us. They renamed our road a couple years ago and renumbered all the houses. If you type in our address and try to find us, you'll end up in a cow field about 3 miles from here.

We try to be as self sufficient as we can right now. Huge garden. Preserve what we don't eat. Hunt what's in season. Have our own livestock. Lucky enough to have a very large pond on the property fed by an underground stream (plenty of fish), so it's drought proof. Planted an orchard the first year we were here in a reclaimed horse pasture. We make do with what we got.

But you all really want to know something that will bake your noodle?

You all mentioned meds. Something y'all need to realize about those meds.. A great many millions of people are on some type of psychotropic drug. Usually for something like depression or some made up BS like ADHD or whatever. About 95% of everyone on psychotropic drugs can function okay in society if they go off their meds. They might not be comfortable, but they'll get by.

The other 5% are the real deal. Certifiable and dangerous as hell.

Once upon a time, if someone was certifiably crazy, sociopathic, psychotic, etc, we chucked their butts in something called a Sanitarium. They were too dangerous to be let loose.

Since the 50's and 60's, all sorts of new medications have come on line to "normalize" these crazies. We literally emptied the Sanitariums.

Now, most folks have a 30 day supply of their meds at home. Including the crazies.

What that means is that if TSHTF, about 5 weeks from the initial event, ALL of those crazies are going to be off their meds and walking amongst us. The psychotics. The sociopaths. Those society once deemed too dangerous to be anywhere near the rest of us will be let loose...

Sleep well, y'all..

Mal

[farmbif]

I just hope if the shtf that the fan is not turned on high. Besides that win 94 and a 30-30 lee loader might be a good way to go

[bushboy]

I need to lose my squeamish feelings concerning game meat no?

If it happens you'll need to lose your squeamish feelings concerning "game, pets, rotten and maybe even your neighbor's meat".
Sorry to be so graphic but if the SHTF you won't believe how bad it will become.