3190lbs of lead at GOV LIQUIDATION,in PA

[lonewelder]

gov liquidation has 3190lbs of lead for auction in PA,Just a heads up if anyone is interested

[NewbieDave007]

http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=6240842&tid=GLSPPT1794&cm_mmc=Email-_-ia8919%26ia8940-_-2013-05-06-_-8940_5700&utm_campaign=gl%20-%20ia8919%20_%20ia8940.html&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua

Hope that helps someone around there. Currently at $720, but a little over two days left.

Dave

[finishman2000]

i live about 15 minutes away but these auctions end up being well over a dollar a pound.

[NewbieDave007]

Also, keep in mind that everything is in that weight (pallet and barrels). It should be interesting to see how high it goes.

[nanuk]

I had a chance to buy 9T of pure, but the guy ran the cost up, and I simply couldn't afford it.

I did get one of the smaller "Ingots" around.... 2000lbs... for $0.27/lb.

wish I had another $8000 lying around

[OnceFired]

Yeah, I followed one of those auctions recently. Final price ended up at $0.92 per pound cash, plus transport etc. See http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?191741-Lead-bulk-buy-in-Central-Texas&p=2137665#post2137665

The #1 problem I always run into is volume + shipping VERSUS price. Whenever I find a good quantity, the shipping is absolutely brutal. When I find a good price, they have no volume. For wheel weights, I end up wasting a bunch of time looking for sources.

I put in a request to Missouri Bullet Company, as well as Mayco - the company they buy from. MBC will let casters buy and pickup locally for $2 / lb with zero wait. Considering they have massive backlogs for cast bullets, getting ingots from them is not a bad alternative for anyone halfway local.

I have not yet heard from Mayco, but I'll share the results when they reply.

ZAG

[dbosman]

The main problem with lead auctions is the requirement for mutilation before you take ownership.
Title to the material does not pass to the buyer until the scrap has been mutilated. Buyer agrees to allow USG personnel to witness destruction

The lead in this auction is already mutilated. It's scrap not solid objects. Sheesh!

[Defcon-One]

It is at $920 now and if you read it all, it contradicts itself, "Lead waste material with foreign attachments..." then later, "Lead Without Foreign Attachments."!

Also, don't miss this: "A 10% Buyer's Premium applies to this lot." That is like double sales tax!

Don't you love the quality work product that you get from overpaid Government workers!


dbosman: Maybe you gotta shred it more?

[OnceFired]

The only thing you have to do is melt it down, and they're good - I confirmed that with the Gov Liquidation folks. I was chatting with someone else here on CB that said taking a sledgehammer hit to the medical containers and that would be sufficient, too. The fun part would have been trying to mutilate lead lined vests for that particular auction we were discussing.

The title doesn't pass over until mutilation, but the USG official can come to your facility to see it smelted. You can take possession, but you are not the legal owner until they sign off.

[OnceFired]

Buyer's premium - that's really just a sales commission. Even if they already get a commission - just call the premium a bonus that would have been paid for a particularly in-demand item being sold well. I don't have a problem with either everyone has to earn a living.

And, the sales tax is going to be applied unless you're a wholesaler. The auctions are delivering goods where they were auctioned from, so local sales tax would apply regardless - with the one exception of having a valid wholesale permit. So, these guys are ahead of the curve on the whole internet sales tax thing. hahahaha

[Defcon-One]

Yeah, all I was saying is that if it goes to $1.00 per pound (It may not, but they were saying that it might.) then, with any tax and premium you'd do better just buying it right here shipped to your door!

[dragon813gt]

Those drums are not light. Between them and the pallets that's to much extra weight you're paying for. Then you have to get rid of them. Pallets are easy enough to burn. But I have no desire to take the time to sell the drums as burn barrels. It's located close to my cabin but having to drive the stake body up there and back wouldn't be cheap.

[CountryBoy19]

IIRC, Tobyhanna is an electronics related depot. Also DoD treats all alloys with lead in them as lead waste. I would wager to say that a good portion of that may be electronic solder scraps/waste/etc. You may get lucky and get a few hundred pounds of E-solder with 63%tin in it. Just my thoughts... it's really hard to see the pictures.

[NewbieDave007]

$1,070 with just over 3 hours to go.

[NewbieDave007]

Closed at $1,809

[OnceFired]

Yep, $0.56 / pound before premium & sales tax - or about $0.66 after, before shipping. This is one of those cases where previewing the auction lot in person would make a HUGE difference.

[OnceFired]

I did get a quote for bullet casting lead straight from Mayco, the lead supply company that Missouri Bullet Company uses. For a 44,000 lb load, coming from wherever they ship to me in the Springfield area was $1.69 / lb delivered.

I figure that's the cheapest anyone is going to get perfect lead alloy ready to cast, barring a shorter delivery distance. But I don't have $75k to plunk down on it.

[NewbieDave007]

Completely agree. It's just interesting to see what it ended at.

[TrapperXX]

What is with the mutilation requirement for some of thee auctions?

I see in Ct a lot of brass from the sub base for sale but isn't that military primed brass "lc09" etc not worth the trouble to re-load?

[OnceFired]

Mutilation is just to ensure the items cannot be re-used as-is. Often for the lead it's medical related. Using a sledgehammer to pound a big dent in lead vests would be considered mutilation, and of course smelting would too.

As for the brass question - lots of reloaders want the Lake City brass because it's high quality brass, generally built to higher specifications. Yes, it is more of a pain due to the crimped primers, but it generally will last more reloads too.

OnceFired