Heaviest 44 boolit for SBH?

[NLS1]

Hey good folks, just thought I would ask this crowd about heavy 44 boolits. I have a 429421 and a scalped 429649. The 649 drops a 305 grain from my alloy and is wonderful. The 429421 drops at 250.

What mold drops the nicest, widest and heaviest 44 boolit that will stabilize and or be useful in my 7.5" SBH?

Maybe the consensus will be that the 649 is the biggest practical boolit, if so that is fine as it will likely do more than I ever need.

Be brand and model number specific if you can for any mold you have and like.

These will be for swine social work and just for the heck of it.

Now I don't plan to push the envelope speed wise, all I would want is 1100 fps. Probably less.

If there is a thread or two that any of you know about I would love to read those too, but my search-fu is weak apparently.

I plan to use my 8 lb jug of mostly unused h-110, my starline brass and WLP. Although I would love to hear load info too, mostly I am interested in the biggest nose and heaviest boolit mold that will work well.

And if it would function well in a short TC barrel or a marlin 1894 that would be a plus. Although I don't have either of those yet, but hope to.

Thanks!
Dan

[GARCIA]

I am running a 320gr if that helps. Accurate 43-320V mold if I remember correctly.
Actually find it more pleasant to shoot than a 429421 over a near max charge of 296.
No lever guns so can't help you there.

Tom

[44man]

The Marlin might be a big problem with the twist. You will need to get the heavy boolit faster then the gun can shoot. A .444 can't even reach it with the 1 in 38" twist so they changed the .444 to 1 in 20" but not the .44. ?????
I don't know the TC twist but it might be better. Need 1 in 20" at least.
Now the SBH is where you should stay, I shoot from 240 to 330 gr boolits.
I can't find the boolit you use but it sounds like the match to the .45 Colt 452651 that they quit making. It should shoot but you need to go to around 1300 fps or a little more for accuracy. Same with the 320 LBT.
The Lee 310 gr is a great boolit and still needs the velocity and spin.
First thing I do is use a Fed 150 primer with 296 and H110 in the .44. WW LP might be OK.
21.5 gr of either powder is best in the SBH with 300 to 320 gr. I use 21 with the 330 gr. You need decent case tension on the boolit so don't cast too soft.
Once you get to a WLN or WFN, you will not see a difference on deer, both work. The Lee 310 works perfect.
To just get 1100 fps with H110 might mean an under load, don't go there. Your gun will also suffer trying to hit anything with a heavy boolit that slow. At that velocity you really need about a 1 in 16" twist. The SBH is good for 1-1/4" at 100 yards, some better, some worse, but it will out shoot a Marlin all day.
Get a Weigand base put on, an Ultra Dot 30mm, straight four minute dot and nothing you shoot at will get away.
You already have the best .44 gun.

[Shuz]

The scalped 429649 is all you need. I had one and it worked fine, but it was not conducive to loading in .44 mag rifles, so I dumped it. Start with lowest loading manual suggestions for the 300g boolit and your H-110 amd work up. Personally I use WC 820 with the heavyweights in .44 mag.

[beagle]

I've run a bunch of #328 H & Gs through mine with no problems and good accuracy. Trajectory is a bit high and high end WW296 loads are kind of unpleasant to shoot.

I finally backed off to a H & G 326 which runs at 278 grains out of my mould as the heaviest that I wanted to use on a constant basis.

If you like to wreck things, go for the 320 grain Keith. Mine would penetrate 2 1/2 refrigerators standing side by side and made a big dent trying to get out of the last one. Really nice for smashing cinder blocks as well. Makes gravel.

But, on the practical side, the 278's the biggest I've ever found a use for./beagle

[NLS1]

Thanks you guys for the info so far. I wondered about the 44 rifles being incompatible with the heavys. Looks like I will stick with 45-70 for the heavy stuff in a rifle.

44man- As far as the SBH goes, I didn't realize that speed was such a determining factor in accuracy for the heavy boolits, makes sense I guess. Next round of reloading I will use up the 429649 boolits I have and try them at different charge weights with h-110, with more maybe being better in that case. For the mild loads I will just stick with the 250 Keith's and unique.

Shuz, it is me that bought your scalped 429649! It is nice, and drops good looking boolits. I will be excited to cook up some finally. Think I will do that today.

Basically I want to cook up a medium hot pet load that is very accurate and uses a big heavy boolit.

Sounds like I need to spend more time with the scalped 429649 I have already as it drops 305 grain boolits. It sounds as it is mostly to the high end of reasonable weights anyhow. Although a 320 Keith sounds great too!

Thanks everyone again!

Dan

[Shuz]

Dan, Glad you are enjoying that scalped 429649. I didn't remember who I sold it to!! My favorite heavy boolits for my .44 revolvers are a scalped Lee 310 that weighs 270g and a Ranch Dog 270g that still has the gas check. I recently bought a new 4C from MP Molds that is a 300gHP of the Cramer style. I've been playing around with it and my relatively new(to me) .444 Marlin. I still have an SSK 300g truncated cone plain base and a Lyman 429650 gas checked 300 grainer to play around with also. If you ever need samples of any of these, just let me know.--Shuz

[NLS1]

Dan, Glad you are enjoying that scalped 429649. I didn't remember who I sold it to!! My favorite heavy boolits for my .44 revolvers are a scalped Lee 310 that weighs 270g and a Ranch Dog 270g that still has the gas check. I recently bought a new 4C from MP Molds that is a 300gHP of the Cramer style. I've been playing around with it and my relatively new(to me) .444 Marlin. I still have an SSK 300g truncated cone plain base and a Lyman 429650 gas checked 300 grainer to play around with also. If you ever need samples of any of these, just let me know.--Shuz

Thanks Ray, I appreciate the offer!

Dan

[Groo]

Groo here
My ssk mold is 328gr with Laurance magnum metal.
If you want to try it go to Penn and order 100.

[softpoint]

If I remember correctly my 429649 drops at 345 grains from my alloy, This boolit is very accurate out of every Ruger .44 I have tried it in. It is a favorite load in a Stainless 4 5/8 SBH, and a 5.5 Redhawk. My usual load is 17.5 gr. of 2400 with this boolit. I've gone faster with H110, but liked the 2400 load better. Your results may be different, as your mold has been lightened, but the Rugers will shoot 345 grain bullets.