Suppressors ???

[Johnch]

Well I have to do something
As even with muffs and ear plugs
The sound and shock wave of shooting a pistol
Gives me a nasty head ack in 20 or less shots

So I am thinking of a suppressor for the 1911 45

I know I need a new barrel

But my question
Dose long term use of a suppressor do any harm to the pistol ?
In this case a Springfield 1911

Thanks
John

[L1A1Rocker]

No but the 1911 has a barrel that tips as it recoils. You will need a silencer that has a "booster" or Nealson Device that attaches to the silencer and then to the barrel. Some silencers are made with this device built in just for the 1911 type pistols. It does add cost but is worth it. I've read that some of the ultra light titanium silencer can function without the device but not 100%.

I'd look at AAC and Liberty first off. There are others but those come to mind. Stay away from the Gemtech (they had a problem with non concentric tubes breaking right in half) and the independent shops in Aranses and Corpus Christi Texas.

[FN in MT]

Frankly I'd get a thorough check up from a qualified Ear Specialist. Your situation sounds extreme.

I've got an AAC can on a 5" HK Tactical. With std 230 rn it's very quiet. The return from my steel plates is far louder than the report of the gun.
With muffs or ear plugs it's almost like shooting a pellet gun, or a .22 with BB/CB caps.

Lots of good cans out there. One that can be cleaned is a real plus. Especially if all you intend to shoot is lead.

Good luck with the ear ache situation.

[Johnch]

Frankly I'd get a thorough check up from a qualified Ear Specialist. Your situation sounds extreme.

I've got an AAC can on a 5" HK Tactical. With std 230 rn it's very quiet. The return from my steel plates is far louder than the report of the gun.
With muffs or ear plugs it's almost like shooting a pellet gun, or a .22 with BB/CB caps.

Lots of good cans out there. One that can be cleaned is a real plus. Especially if all you intend to shoot is lead.

Good luck with the ear ache situation.

Traumatic Brain injury is the problem
Not so much of the sound on my ears
It is the shock wave hitting my head

4 different pain pills

Doc said I will have problems for years or for ever
I have not worked since 2011 because of the head acks and a few other things

Fun fun

John

[Bwana]

Buy a Ruger 22/45. Less shockwave, less cost than a can, and another gun. Win, win, win.

[williamwaco]

Shock waves hitting head.

I have a very expensive set of custom molded ear plugs. They have a higher decibel rating than the best ear muff. When I shoot something big like a hot .357 or louder, it feels like getting hit with a plank in the side of the head.

So I wear both.

I am aware of the feeling you are troubled by and I am thinking something like a batting cap would help. You need something to reflect the shock wave away from the bone.

Obviously the suppressor would be much better but you are talking BIG bucks there. I would try some type of hard plastic shell first. You would probably need molded plugs under the cap.

[Artful]

Full Face motorcycle Helmet with foam or custom plugs would be my choice - I have suppressors on 22 and 9's and most 45 can's I have heard don't come close but Tirant from AAC and Osprey from Silencerco are at the top of if I win the lottery - also SWR Octane


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pavjZJK9I9Y

[L1A1Rocker]

Full Face motorcycle Helmet with foam or custom plugs would be my choice - I have suppressors on 22 and 9's and most 45 can's I have heard don't come close but Tirant from AAC and Osprey from Silencerco are at the top of if I win the lottery - also SWR Octane


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pavjZJK9I9Y

I seem to recall Doug Kenig(sp?) using a full face helmet one (or two) years at the nationals. It's really not that unheard of.

[44man]

Bone conduction is real and so is from the throat. Wear a thick scarf too.

[subsonic]

Use of the suppressor won't harm it much, might be some increased wear on the locking lugs, but I doubt you'll notice it.

+1 on the Tirant

[Johnch]

Thanks for the ideas

John

[Larry Gibson]

It's not a "shock wave" hiting the head; it is the gas from the propellent. A good suppressor holds and contains most of the expanded gas from the burning powder. The action opens before the pressure can be releived out the front. Thus when the action opens and the case is extracted a large part of the pressure still inside the supressore is expelled rearward.

Larry Gibson

[Artful]

On a Semi or Full Auto action you mean. And with supersonic rounds you still have obnoxious "shock wave" that does leave the muzzle and come back at your head - it's just much quieter than without the suppressor - my .243 using factory speed ammo thru the suppressor is about like firing a unsuppressed 22LR.

[Lonegun1894]

I have a suppressed Ruger 22/45, and while I realize that you want to shoot your .45. I love my .45 too, so understand, but I also have some hearing damage from previous jobs and this .suppressed .22 is a God-send on days that the bigger guns are just too much of a good thing. This little pistol handles the pressure and is like shooting a pellet gun as far as noise and pressure waves go. I can shoot this while I have a bad headache and it doesn't make it any worse. My can is the SWR Spectre. I have used suppressed .45s before, but those were still louder than this .22. They were a huge help also, but that was in the days before the majority of my hearing damage so I'm not sure if the memory of those would still be valid today. Is there any way you can get together with a NFA dealer for a demo and explain the situation to them and get some advice from someone who deals with more of these than the majority of us get a chance to? Just keep in mind that the can will increase backpressure, I just don't know how much. This would make me think that it would increase wear also, but this isn't an issue with a .22 semi due to not having any locking lugs to speak of and being a straight blow-back design. I would at least consider it.

[contender1]

Here is another idea.
You mention the shock wave is causing the problem. Is it possible to add an "adapter" to the muzzle & add a simple barrel extension? A hollow tube barrel (end cap removed) extension will divert the gasses & shockwave downrange away from the shooter.
I mention this as an idea due to a barrel extension I saw years ago in Outdoor Life. It was in an article about adding a long hollow tube to a shotgun to shoot crows with. It causes the gasses to escape downrange & diverts the energy downrange.
It might be an inexpensive option?

[Artful]

Careful -
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-gca-silencer.html


Gun Control Act Definitions

Silencer

18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(24)

The term “Firearm Silencer” or “Firearm Muffler” means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for the use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
69504
Note: Any device that meets the definition as stipulated above in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(24) is also subject to controls of the National Firearms Act 26 U.S.C., Chapter 53.

by law any thing to reduce/redirect the noise must be licenced/taxed at a silencer/suppressor. Trying to get around the rules can be be much more costly than just paying the $200 tax stamp.