PatMarlin's plain base gas check maker

[hickfu]

Hey there guys, I read about the PatMarlin's plain base check maker and wanted to get some peoples input on this. To me it sounds like a great invention and tool to make my plain based boolits into gas checked versions that I can push faster. If anyone has an experience in using this please let me know how you like it. What material can you use to make checks for plain based boolits? Will a soda can work? do you have to get a certain size material to use?

I have mostly gas checked molds but if I can make plain based gas checks work then I think I will order plain based molds in the future so I dont have to pay more money for gas checks.

Thanks for any input,

Doc

[Gibbs44]

Please post a link. I did not realize you could make a plain into a gas check base, or use a gas check with a plain base.

[Wal']

Please post a link. I did not realize you could make a plain into a gas check base, or use a gas check with a plain base.

http://www.patmarlins.com/

[Wal']

Don't know what to really tell you.......have been using Pats P/B Gaschecks for about 6 months in my pistols, never used any GasChecks before them.........the reason I use them was I had a slight, ever so slight leading down the barrel of my pistols.
I now send a check down my barrels about one in fifty shots...........zero leading now.

Have never used the soda cans as yet but will, am still using Yonkys [he's a sponsor here] 006" aluminum coils he sells for my P/B checks.

I have no complaints with the PatMarlin dies, they work well for me. :bigsmyl2:

[fcvan]

I've used gas checks since the 70s on magnum loads with great success. Last year, I received two plain based CheckMakers in 35 and 45, and a regular CheckMaker in 30 caliber. They are great! I plan on getting a few more in various calibers and don't intend to use commercial checks ever again. Pat's dies are the real deal.

[reloader28]

They work great with pop or beer cans. No sense in buying copper metal for them.
We had leading fits with 9mm until I got one of Pats makers and now 9mm is a breeze.
I use them on my 357 too since I make them for nothing.

[Gibbs44]

I didn't realize that you could make checks for a plain base boolit. I guess you learn something new everyday. I might have to add this to my wish list.

[Relsom]

Anyone got pics to post?

[fcvan]

Relsom, here's a pic. Pat has a lot of great pictures if you look at his vendor/sponsor page. Pictured are some 30 caliber regular checks from .014 aluminum flashing, some 45 plain base checks from soda can and from .0078 aluminum flashing. I also make 35 caliber plain based checks with dies made by PatMarlins. He makes great stuff!

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[crappie-hunter]

I won't bad-mouth the PB checkmaker it works exactly as advertised. I just can't get the checks to stay on the bullet without glue ,others that use them have been able to . I guess there is a secret I havent' found yet. So far I am satisfied with the checkmaker,just not satisfied with the results. Checks coming off midstream has a definite effect on accuracy.

As you can see from other posts there are users that are having excellent results. I won't dispute there results, It's most likely something I am doing wrong.

In hindsight If I would have spent the same amount of money on a custom mold that took a commercial gas check I would have been ahead of the game money wise,except for the cost of commercial checks.

[fcvan]

Sir, which mold are you use, which checkmaker, and how are you sizing them?

[hickfu]

That was my concern, I dont mind that much glueing on a gas check if I can make it for free but would rather have it crimped on.

Doc

[fcvan]

Doc, PM sent

[Wal']

As fcvan asked, your sizer has to be to large, with a p/b check you are virtually swaging the gas check on, whatever size material you're using.

If using a cast boolit designed for a gas check, the material size whether copper or aluminum is important.

I'm using a Lee sizer to install my 9mm & .357 without problems.............hope you find the answer to your problem.

[longbow]

While I have read several posts on use of PB gas checks for large bore/usually handgun boolits, has anyone used .30 cal PB gas checks in rifle applications and can provide reports on velocity and accuracy at comparable loads to regular gas checks?

Not looking to match "J" bullet performance, just wondering if PB gas checks at rifle pressures and velocities of 1800 to 2000 FPS is doable? If not what maximum velocity is reasonable achievable with good accuracy?

I have a Mihec 316410 PB mould coming soon with the intent to mostly use it as a lightweight plinker in my .303's but if I want to push it a bit then I would plan on getting a PB checkmaker if it is worthwhile.

Longbow

[fcvan]

Longbow, I have pushed a 200 gr RN HP 45 PB in a carbine chambered in 45 Colt to 1750 fps without issues. I am also making 30 caliber regular checks from .014 aluminum, which I've been shooting out of a Springfield 03-A3 in 30-06 to about 2000 fps. I'm still looking for the sweet spot with this rifle. There is still a lot of testing to do but am low on primers. There is a post on here where folks are using 30 cal PB checks and have done quite well. I only have one 30 cal mold that isn't designed with a check shank so I went for the regular or standard CheckMaker die in 30. I hope this helps

[longbow]

Thanks for the response.

I made my own simple check maker for my GC moulds in .30 cal and it works quite well. The gas checks appear to work as well as commercial copper checks for the shooting I have done. I use old gutter material as I had old gutters and it is thick at about 0.019", However, since my check maker is a hammer type, it just takes a bit more "Whack" to extrude the thicker material which forms a slightly deeper cup than 0.014" would.

My concern with PB checks in relatively high pressure .30 cal loads is more about the very thin check, fairly deep rifling in the case of my .303's and relatively high pressure if pushing them to maybe 2000 FPS.

So far, I have found it easier to get good results with larger bores than the .30 cal. In fact I load to full "J" bullet loads in my .44 Marlin with PB boolits and have little leading but in the .30 cal's it is a different story.

Since I have ordered a PB boolit mould, that is what I will work with and if I need PB checks to go faster then I will try them. If they don't work well I will just stick with PB at lower velocity or maybe go to paper patching for higher velocity. I would have to size down or make a mould though but not a big deal.

Longbow

[45fan]

So these PB checks will work for any boolit cast from any mold as long as it is not a GC boolit design? Anybody have any experience using these on a Lee tumble lube boolit? And do all brands of sizer dies work to crimp them on or do these require a special die?

45fan

[fcvan]

Yes, the PB checks work with a plain based boolit. PB checks aren't so much crimped on, they are swaged on. The link posted below shows images of a TL design boolit with a check before and after sizing.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?133265-Using-the-Checkmaker%99-45PB-Pistol-Caliber-Dies

Regardless of the type of sizer die, the PB checks work best when seating/swaging checks, base first. If using a Lee push through sizer it is best to push them through base first. There are threads describing how to modify the sizing ram to be a custom fitting nose punch.

[reloader28]

My brother is shooting 165gr with a PB check at 1850fps in his 357 rifle. Whether the check comes off or not its shooting VERY accurately at 100yds and a clean barrel.

[Merl Milner]

http://www.patmarlins.com/

This looks interesting! Does it need a special press like swaging does or can I use a reloading press?

[VHoward]

You can use a single stage reloading press. I wouldn't tie up a turret for this.

[fcvan]

I use a Lee Reloader, the smallest press they make. It works well for me. I did have to reverse the loading ram but that isn't difficult.

[PatMarlin]

I won't bad-mouth the PB checkmaker it works exactly as advertised. I just can't get the checks to stay on the bullet without glue ,others that use them have been able to . I guess there is a secret I havent' found yet. So far I am satisfied with the checkmaker,just not satisfied with the results. Checks coming off midstream has a definite effect on accuracy.

As you can see from other posts there are users that are having excellent results. I won't dispute there results, It's most likely something I am doing wrong.

In hindsight If I would have spent the same amount of money on a custom mold that took a commercial gas check I would have been ahead of the game money wise,except for the cost of commercial checks.

C-H,

Not picking on you, and the problem could be entirely my error, but something is terribly a miss with that picture.


We've never have to glue on standard shank checks with my dies but certainly not PB checks.

Either I sent you the wrong dies or something else is happening. PB checks as stated above swage into your base. No way to glue them on...!

If anyone has trouble of any kind with my dies, shoot me an email. We will get to the issue at hand and correct it.

[PatMarlin]

...and more from 2013.

There has been a lot of lost information confusing new casters using PB gas checks by questions I receive, so I think this (older CB) thread and a couple others I resurrected will help explain more on using PB checks.

There is so much info here at CB from the master cast shooters, down deep in the data base and it would be great to read some of the great knowledge left- by even members that have passed on such as "Felix".