Removing head from .22lr - Look OK?

[dkmulford]

While I'm waiting on my die from Brian, I decided to make my own die and punch just so I can get some jackets made. I was curious how these looked compared to some of your jackets after removing the head?

Thx,
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http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/100_0449_zps6dff5da3.jpg
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/100_0448_zps3b15601c.jpg

[newcastter]

No, those do not look good at all. I would just wait for BT's dies....

[dkmulford]

No, those do not look good at all. I would just wait for BT's dies....

Can you post some pictures? I have a mill/lathe and can make whatever....so I can fix this.
Thx.

[Utah Shooter]

What you want is a punch at about .199-.201 and the derim die opening to be around .219-.221 Leave right around .020 of space between the two. Or you can take the thickness of your jackets multiply it by 2 and add a couple of thou.

From your photos it looks as though you have too much space.

[dkmulford]

What you want is a punch at about .199-.201 and the derim die opening to be around .219-.221 Leave right around .020 of space between the two. Or you can take the thickness of your jackets multiply it by 2 and add a couple of thou.

From your photos it looks as though you have too much space.

Cool. Too much space is what I figured was going on. Thanks for the info!!!
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[30yrcaster]

Can you post some pictures? I have a mill/lathe and can make whatever....so I can fix this.
Thx.
I haven't made rimfire jackets for awhile but have been getting requests from friends that can't get bullets. Here's some I made awhile back from outdoor range pickups.
67101

[dkmulford]

I haven't made rimfire jackets for awhile but have been getting requests from friends that can't get bullets. Here's some I made awhile back from outdoor range pickups.
67101

Cool. Thanks for the picture. I see that they are near perfect. What I didn't know was how good they had to be because I thought maybe swaging the lead core would push it out the rest of the way. As you can tell I don't have my swaging dies yet.

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[anotherred]

May or may not help, but Federal cases are thicker and might work better for that setup. IN my dies, it cases problems with stuck cases.

[Lizard333]

May or may not help, but Federal cases are thicker and might work better for that setup. IN my dies, it cases problems with stuck cases.

This holds true for some federal cases. You'll find that when you weigh out your cores, some come in lite at about 9.3 grains, and some are heavy at 10.3 gns.

Sorting your brass can't be stressed enough. A lot of guys don't like the federal brass, but I wonder if they sort their brass. The same holds true with your cases for use in other dies made by BT. Sort your brass by weight. Manufacturer doesn't matter. Do a run with core to match your weights and you'll be amazed at how much better a bullet you produce.

[dkmulford]

I reworked my die and I'm getting better results. Since taking the picture below I also reworked the punch which has removed even more of the crease. I have noticed that level of crease removal varies with head stamp.

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/100_04501_zpsa7c83341.jpg (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/100_04501_zpsa7c83341.jpg.html)

[fredj338]

Brian's die makes a much nicer looking, finished jacket.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/fredj338/223jackets_zps1ef125b8.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/fredj338/media/223jackets_zps1ef125b8.jpg.html)

[Utah Shooter]

I thought the OP was talking about what he made and how to improve it.

[newcastter]

The title is Removing head from .22lr - Look OK? so yes Utah that is correct.

I thought the OP was talking about what he made and how to improve it.

[Cane_man]

I reworked my die and I'm getting better results. Since taking the picture below I also reworked the punch which has removed even more of the crease. I have noticed that level of crease removal varies with head stamp.

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/100_04501_zpsa7c83341.jpg (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/100_04501_zpsa7c83341.jpg.html)


i think it looks pretty good... what are the lengths of your punch and die?

[dkmulford]

I reworked my die and punch a final time. I used a 7/32 drill bushing pressed into a piece of 7/8-14 all thread. I also turned a nipple on the top so I could attached a plastic tube to direct the jackets into a bin. On the punch, I turned and polished it to a .200 diameter.

This picture kinda sucks but the rim line is pretty much gone. I don't think they can get better.

LOL, even though I've perfected my die, I still have one of Brian's derimming dies coming as well as a derimming die for my walnut hill press. I may have to sell something when they come in.

The good part is that I'm making jackets.

D

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/Photo0077_zps172dd5b5.jpg (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/Photo0077_zps172dd5b5.jpg.html)

[dkmulford]

i think it looks pretty good... what are the lengths of your punch and die?

Sorry for the late response...I thought I was subscribed to my own thread but I guess I'm not. Will have to check the notifications.

To answer your question, for my latest die and punch, I think the die is about 3 inches tall. I'd have to measure it when I get home. Basically I made the die tall enough to accept the drill bushing, and tall enough to be flush with the press at the bottom of the die, and then have about an inch to and inch and a half sticking out the top for the nut and for the nipple I turned (to receive the plastic tube to direct the jackets to a bin).

I'm currently using a walnut hill press until brian's stuff comes in for my lee presses. So for the walnut hill I had to use a 7/8-14 all thread on the bottom. I drilled and tapped the all-thread to receive a 1/4-20 threaded punch that was made from a 3 inch long 1/4-20 grade 8 hex head bolt. I stuck the bolt in the lathe and cut off the head, then turned the end down to .200inch to insert into the .22lr case.

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[Lizard333]

Best looking yet. Im impressed. Even my RCE derimming die leaves a line. Nice job!

[dkmulford]

Best looking yet. Im impressed. Even my RCE derimming die leaves a line. Nice job!

Thanks!

[R.Ph. 380]

I reworked my die and punch a final time. I used a 7/32 drill bushing pressed into a piece of 7/8-14 all thread. I also turned a nipple on the top so I could attached a plastic tube to direct the jackets into a bin. On the punch, I turned and polished it to a .200 diameter.

This picture kinda sucks but the rim line is pretty much gone. I don't think they can get better.

LOL, even though I've perfected my die, I still have one of Brian's derimming dies coming as well as a derimming die for my walnut hill press. I may have to sell something when they come in.

The good part is that I'm making jackets.

D

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/Photo0077_zps172dd5b5.jpg (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/Photo0077_zps172dd5b5.jpg.html)

Wow, those are good looking jackets, I might just have to have you make one for me.................hint,hint,hint

[dkmulford]

Wow, those are good looking jackets, I might just have to have you make one for me.................hint,hint,hint

LOL. I wish I had time. I'm currently building two guns in addition to jacking around with all this bullet making stuff.

Got a question for you guys....are there any of you swaging guys that would be interested in buying just the lead cores or .22lr jackets and not the finished bullet?

D

[dkmulford]

For those asking about my homemade die, here are some pictures:

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/100_0550_zps91c74203.jpg (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/100_0550_zps91c74203.jpg.html)
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/100_0554_zps17f116c1.jpg (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/100_0554_zps17f116c1.jpg.html)

[customcutter]

D,

looks good, I've been studying this for a few weeks now and also am making a set of dies using drill bushings. Glad to see that yours is working so good.

Ken

[dkmulford]

D,

looks good, I've been studying this for a few weeks now and also am making a set of dies using drill bushings. Glad to see that yours is working so good.

Ken

Thanks! FYI..hopefully you have a better vise than I had. When I was pressing the bushing into my die, my vise blew up, sending pieces up into the ceiling, almost hitting me in the head. I guess I put too much muscle on it. LOL.

[Cane_man]

mulford, looks awesome! i am planning for my 22LR swaging system now, so your posts are very helpful and encouraging :)

edit: are you going to make your own point forming die? that is the 800 lbs. gorilla for me right now, everything else i am clear on...

[Utah Shooter]

URL=http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/Photo0077_zps172dd5b5.jpg.html]http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/Photo0077_zps172dd5b5.jpg[/URL]
There you go, that is what I am talking about! Such a fine line in diameter and fit huh?

[Methuselah3]

Couple of comments. Getting the drill bushing probably brought your OD on the jacket under .220 as I suspect the first pics would have been greater than ..224.The Walnut Hill press is giving a much better shot at doing that much derimming and smoothing out the jacket as opposed to single stage presses. I have to use a 3 foot pipe on my Rockchucker to derim . Haven't had any luck trying to anneal before derimming. At least .020 is required clearance between derim die and punch as brass is nearly .010 thick. I use a .196 punch with a .220 die


For those asking about my homemade die, here are some pictures:

http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/100_0550_zps91c74203.jpg (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/100_0550_zps91c74203.jpg.html)
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/dkent72/Boolits/100_0554_zps17f116c1.jpg (http://s583.photobucket.com/user/dkent72/media/Boolits/100_0554_zps17f116c1.jpg.html)