win 94 in 35-30-30

[hornsurgeon]

I just picked up a 66 Winchester 94 that JES rebored to 35-30-30 3 groove. It came with dies and everything. Load data is nearly non-existant. Anyone here have this cartridge and can give some load data?

[uscra112]

Hmmm. In my Quickload database, which actually has the .35/30-30 listed, the .35 Remington is very, very close on nominal case capacity. But because of the long neck of the .35/30-30, I'd suggest that your seating depths will be much deeper, which will reduce the powder space more than the same boolit in the .35 Rem, so back off 3-4 grains and start from there? What powders do you want to try?

I've got a .35 Krag on the project list, and there's a 99 Savage in the safe with a spoiled .30-30 barrel I want to try that with. Keep me posted on how you do please?

[rintinglen]

The Only data I've seen for that wildcat used 28.5 grains of 3031 with a 180 grain JSP. If I can find it, I think I have a copy of P. O. Ackley's book that has some data in it.
The max COAL for the 32 Winchester or 30-30 is actually a hair longer than the 35 Remington, so I think the recommendation of uscra to reduce 35 Rem Data by a few grains is both sound and safe. I'd venture to start a hair under the starting load for the 35 Rem and work up a half grain at a time until I hit the velocity I wanted or my load approached 95% of the listed max for that projectile. Good luck, it sounds like a very interesting project.

[Zim]

Yes, please let us know about this project. I've been reading all i can on this, but all my 30-30s shoot good enough not to be candidates & prices have jumped recently. May take a while longer.

What do you think of the JES work? Lots of good things have been said.

[RickinTN]

I'm interested in how it performs from a cartridge standpoint as well as the JES work. Been thinking about a rebore to this cartridge myself.:popcorn:

[uscra112]

The .35/30-30 and the .35 Remington having almost identical capacity, they should perform the same, which is to say reliable deer-killers with 200 grain boolits. I cut my casting teeth on the .35 Rem, and only moved on because of that darned short neck. The .35/.30-30 should eliminate that objection.

I had JES do Krag barrel for me. Very quick turnaround, and the interior finish is good, but I was disappointed to find that it's rather loose in the middle. I'm going to have to lap the first 8 inches or so to feel good about fitting it up. In all fairness, boring out old barrels has its' risks, so I'll still give him the Savage barrel when I get around to it. Assuming that we're all still here and the economy hasn't collapsed by next winter.

[Hyphenated]

@hornsurgeon....What components do you have on hand or plan on buying? I can give you some tips, but would need to know what you want to shoot in your rifle. I own a Marlin 336 in 35/30-30 and it is a much better reloaders cartridge than the 35rem.

[Hyphenated]

I'm interested in how it performs from a cartridge standpoint as well as the JES work. Been thinking about a rebore to this cartridge myself.:popcorn:

Jess does quality work. The performance of the 35/30-30 will exceed your expectations. Don't believe otherwise from people who haven't owned one.

[runfiverun]

32 win data is available and would pose no pressure issues.
similar boolit weights in similar cases have a tendency to produce similar pressures.
using the larger bore of the 35 versus the 32 will lower pressures also.

[hornsurgeon]

I will definafely keep everyone up to date. It will be a while till I get time to work with this one. I plan on using either the rcbs 35-200 or the ranchdog 360-190. I plan on using the rifle as a walking whitetail rifle. It already has a Williams appeture sight on it, so all I need is a fiberoptic front and ill be all set.

I already shoot a marlin 35 Remington, so I figured this would be a great companion rifle.

[Nobade]

I have a Pedersoli rolling block chambered for that cartridge. Cases do indeed have identical capacity to the 35 Rem, and load data is the same. I also shoot it with both those boolits you mentioned and it works fine with either. I do paper patch them and they shoot great up to what I feel is the pressure limits for the cartridge/rifle combo. In the lever gun you could run it a bit harder, but either way it's no big trick to hit 2250 fps with the 200gr. boolits.

-Nobade

[fordwannabe]

uhmm a suggestion...call Jesse and ask him what load he uses for that caliber. When he did my 38-55 he sent a target and the load info with it. Just a thought.

[Hyphenated]

I will definafely keep everyone up to date. It will be a while till I get time to work with this one. I plan on using either the rcbs 35-200 or the ranchdog 360-190. I plan on using the rifle as a walking whitetail rifle. It already has a Williams appeture sight on it, so all I need is a fiberoptic front and ill be all set.

I already shoot a marlin 35 Remington, so I figured this would be a great companion rifle.

Since you don't seem to have a definite idea on components yet I will give you some suggestions.

A good place to start with rifle powders is H/IMR4198, RL-7 and IMR3031. As far as the pistol powders go I have been using AA#7 and 2400. I would also suggest Unique for the lower velocity loads. I haven't gotten around to trying it yet because I am working on faster loads right now.

The two cast boolits I shoot are a Lyman 204gr and a SAECO 245gr.
204gr / 20gr AA#7 / 1814fps avg
204gr / 25gr RL-7 / 1922fps avg
245gr / 30gr IMR3031 / 1819fps avg

I have also use 20gr of 2400 with the 204gr boolit, but I did not have my Chrony that day. I suspect it was a tad slower than what I was getting with the AA#7 load. These loads were safe in my rifle and I don't consider them hot or at max. However, you should always use caution when working up loads in your gun.

If time and weather permit I plan on adding a little steam to the RL-7 load and running it over my Chrony on Friday.

@fordwannabe...my rifle came back from Jess with a fired case and expanded 200gr jacketed bullet. The test load he used was 32grs of H4198. I believe the bullet was a Hornady.

[Hyphenated]

Up date to the previous post...
For clarification I was experiencing some issues with my Chrony diffusers when the readings were taken for the above RL-7 load of 25grs. Yesterday was a completely overcast day, perfect for using the Chrony without the diffusers, so I ran more RL-7 loads. The following info mirrors very closely the data in my Hornady manual for RL-7 in a 35rem. FYI that manual list 29.2grs of RL-7 @ 1900fps as max with a 200gr jacketed bullet.

35/30-30 Marlin SC 20" barrel.
200gr Lyman RN / 27grs of RL-7
1832
1822
1827
1797
1806
35/30-30 Marlin SC 20" barrel.
200gr Lyman RN / 28grs of RL-7
1891
1842
1862
1886
1879

Hopefully this info will be helpful for other 35/30-30 users or those members who are thinking about this conversion.

[fremont]

Jess 1) responds quickly & clearly; 2) does quality work and 3) has an unbelievably quick turnaround time. Pricing is fair, too. Nice to do business with. Sent my gun back with a note of thanks, plus some suggested loads.

[Rifle guy]

I also have a 35 rebore done by JES reboring. I shoot 285 grain cast bullets at 1850 fps using a charge of 2495 powder. This is a compressed load that is safe in my rifle. Quickload indicates that it is aprox. 37.7K psi. This load is very accurate and seems to carry much force to the 200 yard gong. My mould is a custom LBT which required throating the rifle to fit such a long bullet at the max OAL.

[Eldon]

Would this cartridge benefit by recutting the chamber to the 30-30 AI specs ?

[Texas by God]

I'm still looking for a bargain on a post 64 or a Glenfield to send to JES to get my own 35-30. He did my 3 groove .358 Win/ Rem 700 and I brag on it TOO much.

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[texasnative46]

fordwannabe,

GOOD PLAN, imo.

Jesse's work is FLAWLESS, imo.

yours, tex

[jmort]

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.35-30/30 (35-30)


Warning! Notes: Historical Notes - Although not widely known, the 35-30/30 is one of our oldest wildcats, having originated around the turn of the century. Its original purpose was to salvage worn-out 32-40 and 32 Winchester Special barrels by reboring these to 35 caliber. General Comments - As a cast bullet cartridge, the 35-30/30, with its longer neck, permits use of cast bullets as heavy as 270 grains seated to a depth that will feed through magazine rifles designed for the 30-30. This is not possible with the 35 Remington and its short neck. In a strong action, the 35-30/30 can be loaded to deliver performance approaching the 375 Winchester. However, in a strong action, the 35 Remington can be stepped up quite a bit, too. It is possible to attain 1,800 fps with a 300-grain bullet in a strong action chambered for the 35-30/30, which would make it suitable for elk or moose at short range. It is a good cartridge for upping the performance of 30-30 rifles or for salvaging worn-out 32 Special barrels. Dies are available from RCBS and chambering reamers from Clymer. (Cartridges of the World 11th Edition)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS)
200 JSP IMR IMR-4198 25.0 1925
Remarks: energy: 1650
208 Lead IMR IMR-4198 25.0 1895
Remarks: energy: 1660
210 Lead Winchester W-630 15.0 1520
Remarks: energy: 1080; Lyman 35875
245 Lead Hodgdon H-335 30.0 1770
Remarks: energy: 1710; Lyman 358318
282 Lead Hodgdon H-335 28.0 1700
Remarks: energy: 1810; Lyman 3589
292 Lead Winchester W-748 33.5 1620
Remarks: energy: 1580

[OverMax]

A bit curious. Does Jes engrave such rebored barrel as being >35-30-30?


Hyphenated or jmort both seem to have a good handle on the info your wanting OP.

Personally I think if someone has the hots for a 35 Remington. The Jes re-bore is a much better solution.

[Estacado]

I love the .35 Remington. I know I would love the longer neck of the 35/30-30. I have got to get around to sending a Model 94 to JES.

[Outpost75]

I measured water capacities of the .35 Remington and .35/.30-30 to see how close they were.

Brass in both calibers was Winchester, the .35 Remington case was once-fired from a Marlin.

Capacity in grains of water when filled to base of neck:

.35 Remington - 39 grains;
.35/.30-30 - 34 grains.

Now, when a 200-grain bullet is seated to 2.55" overall cartridge length to feed in a Winchester 94 in the .35/.30-30 case, its base is 1/3 the way up the neck, so I took another measurement, this time filling the case neck with water and carefully squeezing out the excess pressing a bullet to the crimp groove in the fired case.

That result was 37 grains.

So, I determined that using .35 Remington load data was OK as a guide as long as I stayed a grain or so below maximum loads.

This has worked well in actual practice for over ten years and I haven't blown up anything.

[fremont]

A bit curious. Does Jes engrave such rebored barrel as being >35-30-30?

Yes but stamp, not engrave

[Prodigal Son]

I have had 3 rifles rebored by JES Reboring, 1st was a Marlin that was a rust bucket with no wood, he rebored it to 38-55, I got mostly finished stocks and fit them now it's a tack driver. 2nd was a HOWA 1500 in 243 rebored to 358 Win 3 groove that is a hammer, great shooter. 3rd was a Westernfield 30-30 to 405 Jess and is a tack driver too! Killed a yearling today with it @ 75 yards cut the heart in half! .411 265 GC at 1800 plus fps! Love all his work and he's a great guy!

[BHill]

I measured water capacities of the .35 Remington and .35/.30-30 to see how close they were.

Brass in both calibers was Winchester, the .35 Remington case was once-fired from a Marlin.

Capacity in grains of water when filled to base of neck:

.35 Remington - 39 grains;
.35/.30-30 - 34 grains.

Now, when a 200-grain bullet is seated to 2.55" overall cartridge length to feed in a Winchester 94 in the .35/.30-30 case, its base is 1/3 the way up the neck, so I took another measurement, this time filling the case neck with water and carefully squeezing out the excess pressing a bullet to the crimp groove in the fired case.

That result was 37 grains.

So, I determined that using .35 Remington load data was OK as a guide as long as I stayed a grain or so below maximum loads.

This has worked well in actual practice for over ten years and I haven't blown up anything.

When you do this are you using fired brass in order to get as close to the chamber as possible or are you using sized brass? There may not be enough difference to matter on some combinations especially when determining starting loads. Thanks

[Outpost75]

When you do this are you using fired brass in order to get as close to the chamber as possible or are you using sized brass? There may not be enough difference to matter on some combinations especially when determining starting loads. Thanks

I am using fired brass, because I neck size only for my rifle and use a Lyman 310 tong tool with dies made by Erik Ohlen of www.hollowpointmold.com

I mostly use the Accurate 36-245D bullet and a compressed case full of either IMR4895, IMR4064, RL15 or Varget, compressing the powder about 1/8" with the base of the seated bullet as if loading black powder. I cast from wheelweights with 2% tin added and have no leading issues with the plainbased bullet and filling the lube groove with NRA formula 50-50 Alox-Beeswax and sizing bullets .360". Velocity is 1600-1700 fps from a 20" barrel. I use 9 grains of Bullseye with the same bullet as a plinker.

If you wanted a GC bullet Tom at Accurate could very easily modify the base band to provide a 0.090" GC heel, and you could then drive the bullet faster with powders similar to 3031, RL7 or 4198, but I was happy with .38-55 level performance, didn't want the added expense and effort of adding GCs and felt it unnecessary.

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[fordwannabe]

I bought a 35/30 several months ago from a guy over on Paco Kellys. I am unsure who did the conversion but boy howdy does that thing shoot. I was lucky as I got brass, dies and bullet mold in the deal. I am going to use this as my buck deer rifle this year. It will put four touching at 50.yards and an inch at a hondo. I am at archery camp so cannot give the load as my CRS is in full bloom.

[woody402]

I’ve been looking to get a rough 30/30 for this conversion. Haven’t had much luck. I already Have died etc. so I can Be patient.

[Texas by God]

I’ve been looking to get a rough 30/30 for this conversion. Haven’t had much luck. I already Have died etc. so I can Be patient.
Glad you are alive and living in such a beautiful part of the Empire State. Good luck in your search.

[Sweetwater]

A bit curious. Does Jes engrave such rebored barrel as being >35-30-30?


Hyphenated or jmort both seem to have a good handle on the info your wanting OP.

Personally I think if someone has the hots for a 35 Remington. The Jes re-bore is a much better solution.

I'll try to post some pics of the way JES marked Hyphenated's 35/30-30, which is now mine. #1 is upside down, shows 30-30 XXed out #2 shows the new cartridge marks #3 shows the straight stock I put on it #4 shows it how Hyphenated used it.

[gordie]

is the twist rate the same on the JES rebore... between cast & Jword bullets ?