Swiss 1911-Help!

[alamogunr]

I just received the Swiss Schmidt Ruben 1911 I have had on order for over a month. Can anyone point me to directions on inserting the bolt in the receiver? It just won't go. The operating rod won't insert into the action.

I have two K31's and no problems. The bolt matches the serial # of the rest of the rifle. As usual the bolt was disassembled when I received it.

As a side note there is a slight crack in the stock at the wrist. The crack stops before it wraps around the stock. It is barely noticeable. Should I attempt to strengthen it?

[waksupi]

I haven't had mine out for some time, but I will suggest checking to see the bolt is cocked, then it should go in if I recollect correct. Rotate the cocking piece, and give it a try.

[alamogunr]

I haven't had mine out for some time, but I will suggest checking to see the bolt is cocked, then it should go in if I recollect correct. Rotate the cocking piece, and give it a try.

Thanks for the response. Yes, the bolt was cocked as received. This morning I partially disassembled the bolt and removed the "operating rod"(not sure of correct terminology) and tried to insert it alone. Would not go.

Got out the measuring tools and miked the rod and got a dim of .5054. Tried to use calipers on the receiver but I was not confident of that measurement so I used plug gages. The .486(minus) gage would enter. Miked that gage with the same micrometer and got .4059(as expected).

I'm not sure what to do now.

[waksupi]

I would need to have it in hand to figure it out. You might want to try the Swiss Rifle forum. Mine is buried in the back of the safe and not handy to get to. Pictures maybe?

[alamogunr]

I just posted on the Swiss Rifle forum. Hopefully they can help.

I understand about rifles in the back of the safe. Several of my queens reside there in SackUps.

I may have to learn how to post pictures.

[elginrunner]

That swiss bolt is a booger bear when trying to put back together properly, or it was for me. I only did it once, if that tells you anything....

[Chicken Thief]

That swiss bolt is a booger bear when trying to put back together properly, or it was for me. I only did it once, if that tells you anything....
Then you need to do it again umpteen times. That way you can do it perfectly next time ;)

[Chicken Thief]

If i understand you correctly one of two problems maybe both is at hand:

1) You need to lower the bolt catch manually to insert the bolt.

Cocked bolt
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011341_zpsf4874a29.jpg

Internal bolt travel stop
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011343_zps15d91b02.jpg

Bolt catch
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011342_zps793a18dd.jpg


2) The bolt will not skip an empty magazine!
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011344_zpsc1e8c36b.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011345_zps2a1f1824.jpg

[alamogunr]

Chicken Thief: I would be overjoyed if that thing would go in far enough to contact the bolt catch. It won't even start. Assuming my measurements are good and both the operating rod(my terminology) and the part of the receiver it fits, are correct, there is a .0195 difference between the two. The rod being bigger.

The magazine was the first thing I removed. No different than K31's.

To this point I have assumed that the rod and its corresponding recess on the receiver are cylindrical, within reason. I have tried to insert the bolt with the rod assembled and with the rod separated from the bolt. Given the difference in OD of the rod and ID of the receiver, it won't work.

Again, is it possible that the rod was changed out and the replacement is completely wrong?

I just picked this up from the Swiss Rifle forum, in response to this same question there:

"When the bolt is matching the rifle serial the "tube" where the operating rod fits in is damaged, this happens mostly at the rear end and it is not hard to force the bend metal back by forcing just the operating rod in with help of a bronze or plastic hammer."

Anyone have a comment on this before I start "hammering"?

[Chicken Thief]

Ok then, give us a pic mate!

Is it the operating rod that cant get into the action?
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011347_zpsc88b4deb.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011351_zps06312991.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011348_zps2f819241.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011352_zps05cb7c61.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm153/Chickenthief/Skydning/Schmidt-Rubin/R0011353_zps140938ed.jpg

[alamogunr]

Your pictures illustrate almost the exact reverse of my situation. My rod is .5054" and the tube it is supposed to fit into is(was) .486".

Rather than wait, I followed the advice given on the Swiss Rifles forum and tapped the rod into the tube. I had to go further by using a taper punch to force the entry edges out enough to allow the rod to enter. By pushing a plug gage into the tube, it is obvious that the restriction is at the entry. The gage drops to the bottom of the tube once it passes the entry edge.

I believe the edge of the tube was damaged(not evident) somehow. The shipping carton shows no evidence of mishandling and the rifle was well packed, especially around the action.

I reassembled the bolt and assembled it into the action. The bolt operates now but with some difficulty. The rod is still too tight but will work. I'm going to stop now while I'm only a little behind. OH! and just to head off the next question, Yes, I did lube the rod.

When I've got a little more time, I'll try to learn how to post pictures. Yours are exceptional, by the way. I have to admit that posting pictures scares me half to death.

Thanks for taking the time to look into this for me. Hopefully, I can get some pictures before too long.

[Chicken Thief]

Is it just the "tube" for the operating rod/handle that is squashed or is the intire action a bit flattened?
Thats why a put a pic of the end of the action. So you can compare to yours.
If it's just the end of the small right "tube" that is a smidgen flattened i would take a Dremel to it and be done. Or you could pound a conical pin down the "tube" until is has given enough.

[Chicken Thief]

Regarding pics.

There's tutorials on this site and a designated testing forum where you can foul up all you want and still get help.

[alamogunr]

Is it just the "tube" for the operating rod/handle that is squashed or is the intire action a bit flattened?
Thats why a put a pic of the end of the action. So you can compare to yours.
If it's just the end of the small right "tube" that is a smidgen flattened i would take a Dremel to it and be done. Or you could pound a conical pin down the "tube" until is has given enough.

It is just the "tube" at the very end. I used a taper punch to expand it to the point it is at now. After thinking about it while mowing the yard, I don't think it will hurt anything to expand it a little more. If I don't it will remain difficult to operate the bolt and wear the rod/tube excessively.

After pounding the taper punch again, I might use the Dremel to polish the tube at the entry point. I don't really want to remove material. My Dremel skills aren't anything to brag about.

[Chicken Thief]

There is no strength for the action in that part, ie. no foul done in a little Dremeling.

[Jeff Michel]

There are several tutorial videos on YouTube showing how to assemble your K11 bolt.