lyman ideal 22834

[Tomhorn]

Can anyone identify this mold. I would like to know the weight primarily. Mold is not marked as such, but I believe it to be an old Lyman or Ideal. single cavity, mold halves and handles are one piece. only markings are the 22834 followed by a space and then possibly 69 or 6S or 89 or 8S. Bullet measures .650 inches OAL.

I have been looking for a mold for my 22 WCF and was hoping this might be the one. The diameter is correct. Needs to be in the 40-45 grain weight range.:coffee:

Thanks

Mark Wilson

[Bret4207]

Might be an old 22 Savage Hi Power design. If so it'll come in 60+ grains. Betcha' Floodgate chimes in with the info!

[Bullshop]

I think the last two numbers are probably 69 and that will likley be the weight in whatever alloy they used at the time. Prolly for a 22 high power and way too long for a 22 wcf. Wanna sell it?
BIC/BS

[NuJudge]

Could it be "22835"? See here:

http://www.three-peaks.net/bullet_molds.htm

It was made in various weights.

CDD

[Tomhorn]

I think the last two numbers are probably 69 and that will likley be the weight in whatever alloy they used at the time. Prolly for a 22 high power and way too long for a 22 wcf. Wanna sell it?
BIC/BS

It's not mine yet and it's rather pricey. I would have to purchase it as part of a package deal. I will probably pass on it if its that heavy. Unless I can talk owner into letting me cast a few samples with it?

Mark Wilson

[Tomhorn]

Could it be "22835"? See here:

http://www.three-peaks.net/bullet_molds.htm

It was made in various weights.

CDD

No, this bullet appears much shorter, flat point , meplet of approx .125, very mild ogive almost a truncated cone design. I believe it had 4 lube groove plus a crimp grove. My eye sight is not what it use to be, but I believe it had a gas check base. The bands were measuring .228-.229 while the base was only around .208 if I remember correctly.

Mark Wilson

[floodgate]

Tom:

It IS #22834, shown in the old bullet engraving pages on CASTPICS, taken from the 1897 Ideal Handbook No. 9. It was made for the .22-10-45 (the .22 Maynard, also known as the .22 Extra Long CF), the .22-13-45 Winchester (ancestor of out present-day Hornet), and the old ".22 Hornet" designed by Reuben Harwood - a DIFFERENT cartridge altogether, made from the .25-20 Single-Shot (itself a DIFFERENT cartridge from the .25-20 Winchester). It was a flat-point bullet, cut to different depths giving weights of 48, 55 and 63 grains (3, 4 and 5 grease grooves, respectively). Yours is the 63-grain version - thus a bit heavy for the .22 WCF, and probably preferred for the Harwood "Hornet" or the Stevens .22-15-60 - and that was the standard marking on these old fixed-block moulds from 1896-7 (when this numbering system came in) until it was discontinued aftr 1904 (Handbook #16). If it has a set-screw in the side of the LH block to lock the sprue-plate pivot screw and an alignment pin iand matching socket in the inner faces of the blocks, it was made in 1901(Handbook No. 14) or later; otherwise it is a bit older.

Bullshop:

The .22 HP took .226" bullets - at least that was the "size-to" spec. used in the Ideal numbering system - and this mould was long gone by 1912(IIRC?) when the .22 Savage came on the scene.

As to price, I'd be happy to get it for $75 - $90 in good shape.

floodgate