Ranch Dog 277gr-44 cal

[Newtire]

Shot in .444 Marlin Levergun

25.0 gr. Alliant 2400 277gr. Ranch Dog Bullet g.c. #H/WW (Lyman Mould)2.545 OAL-1.0"@50yds.(5shots)

46.0 gr. H-4198 277gr. Ranch Dog Bullet g.c. #H/WW)2.500 OAL-1.0"@50yds.(5shots)
Shoots 6” Higher than 25 gr. 2400 Load

[Newtire]

Shot in .44 Ruger Deerfield:
17.7gr. 2400
277 R.Dog
CRIMPED IN TOP CRIMP GROOVE
1.0”@50YDS.

[Ranch Dog]

I take it this is my TLC432-285-RF. It is a great hunting bullet and will do well for you. I'm glad to see your report from the Deerfiedl!

[Newtire]

I take it this is my TLC432-285-RF. It is a great hunting bullet and will do well for you. I'm glad to see your report from the Deerfiedl!

It has been so long I forgot what it was called but the 285 gr. is the one. It's like the Lee 310RF is the Lee "298 RF" in my Alloy. I'd say that 285 is about Ideal weight for that rifle in that twist of 1-38".

Gee, it's Tumble-Lube Grooved & using Either LLA or any High Quality lube like Lars or Felix, shooting it in a micro-groove bbl and no leading ever..dispells alot of myths.

[Ranch Dog]

It has been so long I forgot what it was called but the 285 gr. is the one. It's like the Lee 310RF is the Lee "298 RF" in my Alloy. I'd say that 285 is about Ideal weight for that rifle in that twist of 1-38".

Gee, it's Tumble-Lube Grooved & using Either LLA or any High Quality lube like Lars or Felix, shooting it in a micro-groove bbl and no leading ever..dispells alot of myths.

I have another version of this bullet that is a TLC432-300-RF (300-grain) and it does a good job of busting the myth also. Yesterday I was doing the pressure testing of this bullet with H4198 and at 42.0K PSI it was churning up 2250 FPS and producing 1.25" groups (five shots) at 100-yards out of my Micro-Groove barrel with the 1:38.

By the way, for strain gage verification/calibration I use the Hornady Evolution ammo as Hornady provides exact pressure averages for any given lot of ammo. The 265-grain Evolution clocks in at only 2250 FPS and it has the same accuracy despite the warning on the box that it is only suited for 1:20 twist barrels.

[6pt-sika]

I've been shooting a bunch of the RD 285's as well as the newer RD 265 and RD 300 in three different Marlin 444's I have . All are doing well enough for deer hunting this season :drinks:


However I would like at some point to see a lighter version of this design for use in the 44 MAG [smilie=1:

Personally I would like something in the 240-250 grain range :drinks:
I already have a RCBS 240 and a pair of Lymans that are 250-255 . But I like the nose design of the RD moulds more [smilie=1:

Also the same design in the 195-205 range would be excellent in my two Marlin 44-40's(both these were made since 1999 and they use the same barrels as the 44 MAG) . Now I use a Lyman 215 grain GC mould but a little lighter GC RD design would be nice .

[78CJ]

Hey Sika, why lighter for the 44mag? Just recoil? My 5.5" Redhawk begs for the 285's (276 with my alloy) sitting over 21.5 grains of H110. Just don't give it to a novice or a child!!

Ryan

[VTDW]

I use the same boolit and it drops, sizes and lubes w/GC at 280 gr with my alloy. I use it in both .444 microgrooves and my RH .444Mag. All with superior accuracy and a nice thump on both ends.:drinks:

Dave

[Ranch Dog]

From a design perspective of looking at the Marlin's in 44 Mag and 444 Marlin, remember my interest is in these rifles only, a lighter bullet is going have a tough time keeping lube in the case (shorter body) and filling the throat/leade (shorter nose). Both ends of the bullet have to be shortened to maintain the CG and CP. Looking at it's accuracy potential out of these rifles would make me nervous enough not to want to invest the $200 in trial molds.

A lighter bullet for the 44/40 is an entirely different story but the correct way to approach it would be to start with a chamber cast from a representative rifle and see what is required.

[Ranch Dog]

I did just get a report from a customer in Australia taking a Asian water buffalo with the TLC432-265-RF from his 444P. I think the accuracy and velocity potential of this bullet would take just about anything!

[cabezaverde]

Are you guys tumble lubing this bullet? If so, how heavy would you apply the lube for 1500-1700 fps?

[Ranch Dog]

Are you guys tumble lubing this bullet? If so, how heavy would you apply the lube for 1500-1700 fps?

One coat and see what it does. That is one coat prior to sizing. I bet that is all it needs.

[LET-CA]

One coat and see what it does. That is one coat prior to sizing. I bet that is all it needs.

I lube mine after sizing. I push them through a Lee sizer with a bit of Pam kitchen spray on them and then give them a good rinse in soapy water to clean off the oil. Lee's Liquid Alox has been my lube of choice, but I've seen a guy on Ebay selling a "Xlox" product in 32 ounce jugs for $9 plus shipping. Anyone have any experience with it? I've got 2,000 bullets that I just cast these past couple of weeks ready to lube. Using my alloy (lots of linotype) they're coming out at 268 grains with gas checks installed. My standard load has been 21 grains of H110. Great bullets and they feed wonderfully in my Winchesters.

[Ranch Dog]

Lee's Liquid Alox has been my lube of choice, but I've seen a guy on Ebay selling a "Xlox" product in 32 ounce jugs for $9 plus shipping. Anyone have any experience with it?

Yes, I do! I'm pretty sure it's Lar45's lubes (there is a link at the bottom of this forum) but this will take you directly to the Xlox (http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/liquid-x.html) page. His best deal is 5 32oz. bottles shipped in a USPS Flat Rate box.

I think this is the "pure" product. I believe the only difference between this and Lee's Alox is that this is the uncut compound. I believe Lee cuts the raw product with mineral spirits.

I haven't seen Lar45 post in awhile, may be he will see this.

[Ricochet]

Lee sells the Alox 606-55, which is 55% Alox 606, 45% mineral spirits. So does Lars. The stuff comes from the manufacturer that way. There's also a 606-70 cut (thick and tarry) and the pure stuff, which is a soft solid at room temperature. These are all Lubrizol products sold in bulk. Most of us don't need or want a 55 gallon drum.

[LET-CA]

Yes, I do! I'm pretty sure it's Lar45's lubes (there is a link at the bottom of this forum) but this will take you directly to the Xlox (http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/liquid-x.html) page. His best deal is 5 32oz. bottles shipped in a USPS Flat Rate box.

I think this is the "pure" product. I believe the only difference between this and Lee's Alox is that this is the uncut compound. I believe Lee cuts the raw product with mineral spirits.

I haven't seen Lar45 post in awhile, may be he will see this.

Thanks! I'll purchase a couple of quarts. That'll last me for quite some time.

Have a Merry Christmas - to all!

[texas tenring]

I did just get a report from a customer in Australia taking a Asian water buffalo with the TLC432-265-RF from his 444P. I think the accuracy and velocity potential of this bullet would take just about anything!

I am interested in the 432-265-RF for my Winchester 94 chambered in 444 Marlin it has a 1in 20 twist. I think I remember a previous post from Ranch Dog that said the chambers were almost identical in the Marlins and the Winchester. I hope this boolit is good choice for the Winchester.

[LET-CA]

I am interested in the 432-265-RF for my Winchester 94 chambered in 444 Marlin it has a 1in 20 twist. I think I remember a previous post from Ranch Dog that said the chambers were almost identical in the Marlins and the Winchester. I hope this boolit is good choice for the Winchester.

Your Winchester will love it. Feeds beautifully in mine (Timber Carbine with the ported barrel)

[Ranch Dog]

Lee sells the Alox 606-55, which is 55% Alox 606, 45% mineral spirits. So does Lars. The stuff comes from the manufacturer that way. There's also a 606-70 cut (thick and tarry) and the pure stuff, which is a soft solid at room temperature. These are all Lubrizol products sold in bulk. Most of us don't need or want a 55 gallon drum.

Ricochet...

Would you mind if I quote this information on my FAQ's or elsewhere on my web site. I rebuilding most of the pages and want to link to Lar45's Lubes.

[Ranch Dog]

I am interested in the 432-265-RF for my Winchester 94 chambered in 444 Marlin it has a 1in 20 twist. I think I remember a previous post from Ranch Dog that said the chambers were almost identical in the Marlins and the Winchester. I hope this boolit is good choice for the Winchester.

Texas,

The bullet will show you just how well that Winchester can shoot!

[Ricochet]

Ricochet...

Would you mind if I quote this information on my FAQ's or elsewhere on my web site. I rebuilding most of the pages and want to link to Lar45's Lubes.Certainly.

[seabreeze133]

I am finally expecting my melting pot and can start casting the 265 bullet. I have used, w/good results, teflon tape as the lube, but not w/the multi-groove bullets. Any thoughts on suitability?

Yes it takes a little longer to apply, but no mess and u get lots of white chaff out the muzzle.

Plan is for 25 to 30 gr IMR 4227 for bambi (yes will work up slowly) and a yet to be determined dose of H335 for "others". Have a bunch of each, but am open to suggestions.



:o)

Don

Oops. Forgot to mention it's for a 444.

[jeff223]

more good reports about the Ranch Dog boolits shooting good.thats not a suprise to me.they are the best shooting cast boolits ive found.i have sold all my molds for the other designs and i now just shoot Ranch Dogs :bigsmyl2:

[mold maker]

[QUOTE=seabreeze133;305690] I have used, w/good results, teflon tape as the lube, but not w/the multi-groove bullets. Any thoughts on suitability?

Yes it takes a little longer to apply, but no mess and u get lots of white chaff out the muzzle.
:o)
Don




I'm kinda new to the forum, and have never heard of using teflon tape that way. How about a little more info on that aspect.
mold maker (ret)

[seabreeze133]

Buy some teflon tape from Wally World or a plumbing supply store and wrap 2 to 3 wraps around the grease grooves and then size. Experiment w/the # of wraps till u fill the grooves and shoot.

I have not tried it w/the multi-groove bullets, hence the question, but it worked well w/31141 and similar plus the 429244 and 429215, both gas checked. Used it in a 1903A3 and a contender for the 30 cal and a Super Blackhawk for the 44. No idea what the velocity was in the 03A3, but the 429215 ran 1550 fps in the 10" SBH.

Don





[QUOTE=seabreeze133;305690] I have used, w/good results, teflon tape as the lube, but not w/the multi-groove bullets. Any thoughts on suitability?

Yes it takes a little longer to apply, but no mess and u get lots of white chaff out the muzzle.
:o)
Don




I'm kinda new to the forum, and have never heard of using teflon tape that way. How about a little more info on that aspect.
mold maker (ret)