185g GC FN ('almost a Wadcutter') in .30-30

[badge176]

Got this custom mold from a member here not too long ago. Got a batch cast up today and seated a couple in Dummy rounds. Even nicely long, in crimp groove but not seated in to max, these fit in chamber and feed through all three of my Marlin 336 (or store-brand by same mfr.)!!!

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Bare, as-cast Boolits shown along with sized (.311), lubed (Ben's Red), & GCd (Al); dummy round alongside RD 165 .311 for comparison. Been told it looks like a 311440 but longer in the nose section. They didn't even show contact in rifling when chambered; I better measure the diameter of the nose (riding?) section!

All that said, anybody have reference for load data?

[nekshot]

I bump some of mine and they look like that only with a flat nose, chambering and accuracy leave alot to be desired in the guns I tried. They do look neat though!

[DeanWinchester]

Man, I've been looking long and hard at that type of boolit.

Anyone had good results? Sure looks like it would be devastating on a deer.

[x101airborne]

I believe (without getting off my posterior to check) that is the Lyman 311291 design. I just loaded up 35 of them today sized to 311 gas checked and loaded over 26 grains of RL-7. Cant wait to get to the range!

[OverMax]

That's the problem with custom weight & profile molds. Unless the loading data comes along with them. You"ll have to experiment with the powder of your choice that's commonly used in the caliber. Shouldn't be all that hard working up a recipe for it. Just allot of tweaking on your part.
Because of its weight. I would start on the low side of a 170 gr and work up 1/2 gr at a time till your close too its sweet spot or perhaps its accuracy starts to fall off. At that those points. 2/10s powder added or subtracted in the scale pan thereafter till its pinnacle of accuracy is met. Grouping is what your looking for all along during this procedure. Tightest 2 or 3 shot grouping > your there. (Try not to let your rifle barrel get to heated during its shootings.) Then it becomes just a simple matter of sighting your rifle in to bulls/eye your target once its best grouping has been found. If you run out of elevation-or-decline adjustment on your open sights. Or your scope adjustment comes up short of where you need it to be. There's a procedure to resolve those 2 or 3 issues as well. Just an opinion how I would handle this type of situation. (custom molds)

311440 No not even close. That's a 147 gr. yours weights 185gr.

[badge176]

311440 reference was for the overall nose SHAPE, I recognize that mine is WAY longer from crimp groove forward.

[northmn]

I have shot a few deer and have used the Lee 303 311 185 grain mold. It works good starting with about 24 grains of Re7 and CCI primers. Like with any handlaod you might want to back off a bit and work up. When I do the 185 grain bullet I use a flat nose punch in my 310 sizer adn gas check them. I also like the Lee Tumble lube as it coats the whole bullet and then I finger lube the grooves. Got a nice deer at 140 paces from my tree with that bullet out of a 30-30. The bullet weighs out at 188 grains with my alloy which is about 1/2 WW and 1/2 lead with a bit of tin.

DP

[madsenshooter]

I'd think you'd be out into the rifling, unless the nose is casting a bit small. I got NOE's oversized version 314440 recently, the nose drops at .304" and it has to be seated way to short to work in my 30 Remington Model 14. Might have been ok at .303, which is what the rifle's bore measures.

[OverMax]

Badge 176: 311440 is +1 similar in appearance. But that's about all the two have in common. I envy you for having found that heavy185 grainer. Knowing with a little patience and experimentation on your part you will be more than pleased with that 185s performance. "Its a thumper no doubt about that." If you ever decide to sell a few cast from that mold. Please put my name on that buying list Sir. Enjoy that new cast.

O/M

[badge176]

I will have to see how these shoot!

I measured a couple at the base of the nose, just above the "driving band"= .2995, on the narrow driving band= .3085, just below the crimp groove= .309-.310, the band below the lube groove= .310, and with the Al GC sized/ crimped on= .3115...

[TheGrimReaper]

Very nice looking bullet profile you got there.

[badge176]

So, if there is any silver lining to having a wicked stomach flu it's that get left alone by the wife and kids while I lay on my back reading reloading manuals (paper and online), and sipping water...

In Accurate Powders manual I found load for 190g Lyman 311644 in .30-30 using 5744 (20-22.0g for 1754-1953fps respectively). Since they show loads for .30-30 with pressures up to 42,400psi and the max 22.0g of 5744 only lists 35,300psi. This "reduced load" might mave a little growth potential(?).

ALSO, under BlackHorn powder data they show a load of 27g throwing a 200g LaserCast lead RNGC at 1703fps...at 110% density!

http://www.blackhorn209.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/b209blackpowdercartridgedata.pdf

Food for thought since I have both powders in hand...

[badge176]

"Once I found an accurate load I searched no further. My criteria was a load that would shoot the 190 gr. RCBS bullet at over 1500 fps and keep 3 shots under 1" at 50 yards. This is power and accuracy sufficient for anything up through deer, at least in this part of the country. After some testing I settled on 26 gr. of H335. This load gives near 1800 fps and if I do my part will stay under 2" at 100 yards. (see Chart #6) I fired some of these loads on the 200 yard range and found they would take the ram silhouette down easily. Accuracy was good enough for the 150 yard turkey also. I had an old cow that had gotten down and I used this load to end her suffering. I shot her from about 50 feet, angling down into her forehead. The bullet penetrated through the skull, ranged down the neck destroying the spinal column and ended up somewhere in her brisket. I was impressed with the penetration."

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/model94_3030.htm

[badge176]

Still sick, best to stay 'within range' of the toilet!

http://www.castbullet.com/shooting/heart.htm

[badge176]

"The .303 Savage was a round that competed with the 30-30 and used a 190 gr. bullet. People who used the round felt it was a better cartridge for heavier game than the 30-30.
Sam Fadala in his book on the 30-30 opined that Winchester screwed up big time by not loading the 190 gr. Silvertip in the 30-30 like they did with the .303 Sav.
data is scarce but I think I have some.

This is from Ken Waters Pet Loads book.
Bullet: 180 gr. Sierra round nose
Powder: IMR 4320
Charge: 30.5 gr.

My cast bullet load uses the RCBS #30-180-FN which weighs 190 gr. in my alloy. I use 28.0 gr. of either IMR3031 or W748 with that bullets. This is a max full power load for the 30-30 but is safe in all my 30-30 rifles including one made in 1911. I suggest starting two grains lower and working up."

http://www.handloadersbench.com/forum5/19840.html

[badge176]

"The wist rate for the Winchester rifles in 30-30 is 1 in 12". Marlin and Remington use a 1 in 10" twist. Either will stabilize bullets up to 190 gr. although the Marlin might be a bit better with bullets that heavy. I say might because I have both the Marlin and Winchester rifles in 30-30 and I shoot the RCBS #30-180-FN cast bullet to a full power 1950 FPS in both rifles and acuuracy is just fine. The load duplicates the old .303 Savage round and is one hell of a deer slayer. Wither reasonable range*I would not hesitate taking an elk with that load."

http://www.handloadersbench.com/forum5/9743.html.l

[badge176]

Last but certainly not least...

http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/accurate_load_data_3.5.pdf

Mfr data for 3 powders and the "Lyman" 190g lead boolit! 2460, 2495, & 2520 (loads going 'tween 1700 and 2015 fps!)

[windy]

fadala's load for the 190gr j-silvertip was 29.0 gr of imr 4064. work up to this gently, but my 336a with the 24" barrel shoots that load, using barnes 190's, almost scary accurate. haven't chrono'd it, though, so can't say how fast it's moving; no signs of case or primer stress. it'd be my choice for anything big, thick or hungry!
mind yer topknots
windy