223 surplus powder

[Jimmydaux]

do any of you know a good place to get some surplus powder for a .223 or 5.56 load? Ive seen lots of stuff for sale but it all seems to be for the bigger caliber weapons. Any information on loading this round with surplus powder would be greatly appreciated.

[Blammer]

head over to GIBRASS.com and look for WC 844

GOOD stuff in the 223!

[sundog]

yea, 844, unless you can find any 2230-C. Maybe some surp 4895.

[singleshotbuff]

http://www.patsreloading.com

Has several surp powders for the 223. One or two of which claim better barrell life in this caliber. I have bought quite a bit of powder from Pat (15 minutes from my house = no hazmat), he's a good old guy to deal with.

SSB

[Jimmydaux]

Wow thanks for the info guys.

[Jimmydaux]

OH, is there any way to safely load surplus powder without a chronograph? Is it consistent enough to use just printed loading data?

[felix]

You won't need a chrono with 844 in a 223. Start with 21 grains using a bullet/boolit less than 60 grains, just in case you have a fast lot. Check for the usual pressure signs. ... felix

[Jimmydaux]

any secrets you guys have learned that the manuals dont address much on pressure signs?

[ammohead]

any secrets you guys have learned that the manuals dont address much on pressure signs?

No secrets, just plain truth...

It doesn't pay to push it! Most good loads especially with cast boolits, but with jacketed bullets as well, will be found below any visible signs of excess pressure.

ammohead

[georgeld]

I've used 25gr 4895 regardless of brand for years in .223 with great results and nary a problem. Before that, the same load in .222mag with the same very close to 3100fps in my 26" Sako.

I also got over 60, yes SIXTY reloads from the first 100 .222Rem mag brass with these loads and 55gr bullets. Very good accuracy, less than dime sized groups the few times I checked on paper. The rest were burned up at P/dog's.

IF you can get AA2200, or 2230 those are great too but, cut the charge to less than 23gr, that's the max listed on the jugs I got.
Can't tell you about heavier than 55gr gr as I've never used them in the 14:1 twist.

Good luck,

[trickyasafox]

its not 223 pulldown, but i've had good luck with 846T from pat in 223. I use BL-C2 data knocked down 10%.

[reloader62]

25 grains of 4895 & 55 grain bullet is yes a great load ,I tried it years too late ,as you Ive seen little case stretch if any & an awesome group in my ar-15 .
I've used 25gr 4895 regardless of brand for years in .223 with great results and nary a problem. Before that, the same load in .222mag with the same very close to 3100fps in my 26" Sako.

I also got over 60, yes SIXTY reloads from the first 100 .222Rem mag brass with these loads and 55gr bullets. Very good accuracy, less than dime sized groups the few times I checked on paper. The rest were burned up at P/dog's.

IF you can get AA2200, or 2230 those are great too but, cut the charge to less than 23gr, that's the max listed on the jugs I got.
Can't tell you about heavier than 55gr gr as I've never used them in the 14:1 twist.

Good luck,

[ace1001]

Would 4895 be good in 30 06 also? Ace

[Scrounger]

Would 4895 be good in 30 06 also? Ace

Absolutely. Don't you have a loading manual?

[ace1001]

I was wanting opinions. Compare to IMR 4350 say. Ace

[Single Shot]

Absolutely. Don't you have a loading manual?


Not answered form him but:


HELL NO. I HAVE A FULLY AUTOMATIC CASTING AND LOADING SYSTEM ( until testosterone kicks in and he discovers girls.)

Taught my Grandson ( a youngster that actually follows directions and safety procedures) to cast and load correctly for me.[smilie=1: :drinks:

[hunterldh]

Be careful with 2200. It's pretty fast. Some ARs like it and some don't. - Hunter