ID help?

[Yance]

OK, with the million years combined knowledge on this list hopefully someone can give me a little more info on this one.

http://s77.beta.photobucket.com/user/Yance_2006/library/Manlicher%20pre-war

All I know is it's a very early Manlicher sporting rifle, and a pretty nice one before someone decided it needed a re-blue and stock refinish.

Any help is greatly appreciated and I'll pass on any info to the rifle's owner.

[pietro]

While the action is Mannlicher-derived, IMO the rifle's one of the European (usually German or Austrian - probably around Suhl ) sporting rifles, built by small/independent gunmakers around the turn of the 20th Century.

It looks like it's lacking the Schoenauer internal rotary magazine - so probably a Haenal action.

The clues are the gold "Hubertus" receiver ring inlay ( honoring the God of the Hunt), the half-round ILO M-S spoon bolt handle, and the Greener-type side safety, also seen on some Merkel's.
The panels alongside the action are there to lend some strength to an otherwise minimal stock - appropriate for a European Stalking Rifle.

The chambering's marked, of course, in 6.5x54MS - the same as the 1903 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, so one could presume the rifle was built sometime after that date.

Here'a a link to a similar, but less fancy, rifle - chambered in 8x57:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/8347/9751914_1.jpg%3Fv%3D8CD1F0C6DCB8130&imgrefurl=http://www.icollector.com/Two-European-Bolt-Action-Rifles-A-Custom-Hubertus-Bolt-Action-Sporting-Rifle-B-Sporterized-M_i9751914&usg=__XjIwF9PRs-rE***NcAZcr6_pu0I=&h=407&w=1221&sz=51&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&tbnid=q3otqVouqzV2yM:&tbnh=50&tbnw=150&ei=Hls7UZ7eJorg2AWR3YGQAw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhubertus%2Brifle%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2% 26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CCoQrQMwAA


Claw-mount rings can be supplied & fitted (Originals are like hen's teeth, and replacements MUST be individually fitted) to the rifle's bases by New England Custom Gun (google) - they're fairly pricey, but considering the work & complication, worth it.


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[Yance]

pietro;

Thank you very much for getting me pointed in the right direction.

Every Mannlicher I've seen has the rotary magazine and I was wondering why this one had a single stack, now I know.

Since I now know what to look for I see that there is lots of info available.

Again, thanks for the information and direction.

[pietro]

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IMO, it's a pretty nice rifle in a very usable chambering, with a lot of fine handiwork extant - if it was mine, I believe I'd go to the trouble to fit (or have fitted) a set of claw mount rings to those bases.


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[Yance]

If it were mine I probably would. It belongs to an acquaintance who thought I might could tell him something about it. Looking at information available there's a wide "ballpark" range of values so I won't even make an offer. Depending on what he decides it may wind up on GB and we'll see where it goes.

Thanks again for your help.

[Ragnarok]

While the action is Mannlicher-derived, IMO the rifle's one of the European (usually German or Austrian - probably around Suhl ) sporting rifles, built by small/independent gunmakers around the turn of the 20th Century.

It looks like it's lacking the Schoenauer internal rotary magazine - so probably a Haenal action.

The clues are the gold "Hubertus" receiver ring inlay ( honoring the God of the Hunt), the half-round ILO M-S spoon bolt handle, and the Greener-type side safety, also seen on some Merkel's.
The panels alongside the action are there to lend some strength to an otherwise minimal stock - appropriate for a European Stalking Rifle.

The chambering's marked, of course, in 6.5x54MS - the same as the 1903 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, so one could presume the rifle was built sometime after that date.

Here'a a link to a similar, but less fancy, rifle - chambered in 8x57:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/8347/9751914_1.jpg%3Fv%3D8CD1F0C6DCB8130&imgrefurl=http://www.icollector.com/Two-European-Bolt-Action-Rifles-A-Custom-Hubertus-Bolt-Action-Sporting-Rifle-B-Sporterized-M_i9751914&usg=__XjIwF9PRs-rE***NcAZcr6_pu0I=&h=407&w=1221&sz=51&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&tbnid=q3otqVouqzV2yM:&tbnh=50&tbnw=150&ei=Hls7UZ7eJorg2AWR3YGQAw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhubertus%2Brifle%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2% 26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CCoQrQMwAA


Claw-mount rings can be supplied & fitted (Originals are like hen's teeth, and replacements MUST be individually fitted) to the rifle's bases by New England Custom Gun (google) - they're fairly pricey, but considering the work & complication, worth it.


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Hubertus is actually Saint Hubertus...not a god...the saint of hunters