Early attempts at High Cap assault weapons

[Sasquatch-1]

Here are some pics I found of early high capacity hand guns.

[littlejack]

Those WILL be banned before long. Really not too practicle. It would be too difficult to turn on there side and use as "drive by" firearm. With the window only rolled down two to three inches, the piece would rubbbbbb on the headliner.
You could however, go turn them in for 5.00 a piece, and get a cup of coffee, AND a Big Mac.
Reguards
Jack

[I'll Make Mine]

I think the three-barrel multi-chamber revolver could actually be practical in a small diameter round like .251 Detonics or .270 Ren (or .22 LR, or .22 Magnum) -- looks like 18 capacity, and with small rounds the cylinder could be little if any bigger than the 8-round .357 Magnum revolvers I've seen. I wonder how they handled switching between rows (leading outer, trailing outer, and inner) -- automatically? I could see a rotating striker in the hammer (like the one in a C.O.P.), and a mechanical counter to index the cylinder only every third shot -- probably not too robust and practical, but with slightly altered timing and barrel positions one might be able to index 1/18 of a turn each pull.

I don't think I'd want to be the guy who has to design a speed loader for that, though...

[Artful]

Ah, your not going back far enough try 1779

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Girandoni_Air_Rifle.jpg/300px-Girandoni_Air_Rifle.jpg
The .46 caliber Girandoni air rifle was in service with the Austrian army from 1780 to around 1815. The advantages of a high rate of fire, no smoke from propellants, and low muzzle report granted it initial acceptance, but it was eventually removed from service for several reasons. While the detachable air reservoir was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1500 strokes of a hand pump to fill those reservoirs. Later, a wagon-mounted pump was provided. The reservoirs themselves, made from hammered sheet iron held together with rivets and sealed by brazing, proved very difficult to manufacture using the techniques of the period and were always in short supply.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f29/nickcrown/b_0798_s.jpg

The Kalthoff repeater was a type of repeating firearm that appeared in the seventeenth century and remained unmatched in its fire rate until the mid-nineteenth century. As its inventor is unknown, it is named after the Kalthoff gunsmiths that has come to be associated with the design.

Description

The Kalthoff had two magazines, one for powder and one for balls (some had a third for priming powder). A single forward-and-back motion on the trigger guard powered a mechanism that deposited a ball and load of powder in the breech and cocked the gun. Within one or two seconds, it was ready to fire again. A small carrier took the powder from the magazine to the breech, so there was no risk of an accidental ignition in the reserve. Early Kalthoff guns were wheellocks, later they became flintlocks. Some carried six shots, one claims in an inscription on its barrel to have thirty.

Despite having a remarkably fast fire rate for the time, the Kalthoff could never have become a standard military firearm because of its cost. The mechanism had to be assembled with skill and care, and took far more time to assemble than an ordinary muzzle-loader. Also, all the parts were interdependent; if a gear broke or jammed, the whole gun was unusable and only a specialist gunsmith could repair it. It needed special care; powder fouling, or even powder that was slightly wet, could clog it. Since it was so expensive to buy and maintain, only wealthy individuals and elite soldiers could afford it.

The Royal Foot Guards of Denmark were issued with about a hundred of these guns, and they are thought to have been used in the Siege of Copenhagen (1658-59) and the Scanian War. Others were ordered for private use or for demonstration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock

The Belton Flintlock was a repeating flintlock design using superposed loads, invented by Philadelphia, Pennsylvania resident Joseph Belton some time prior to 1777. The design was offered by Belton to the newly formed Continental Congress in 1777, and a number of examples were commissioned and tested.[1]

Design

There are no known surviving examples of Belton's gun; in fact, the only evidence of its existence is the correspondence between Belton and Congress. Belton described the gun as capable of firing up to "sixteen or twenty , in sixteen, ten, or five seconds of time". It is theorized that it worked in a manner similar to a Roman candle, with a single lock igniting a fused chain of charges stacked in a single barrel, packaged as a single large paper cartridge.[1] Despite commissioning Belton to build or modify 100 muskets for the military on May 3, 1777, the order was dismissed in May, 15, 1777, when Congress received Belton's bid and considered it an "extraordinary allowance".[2] After the war was over, Belton is reported to have attempted to sell the design to the British Army, also without success.[3] Belton then began making superposed load flintlocks, which used a sliding lock mechanism, with the London gunsmith William Jover, and attempted to sell them to the East India Company. At least two examples survive, of pistols which utilize four touchholes, and these are housed in the Pitt Rivers Museum at the University of Oxford.[4] The Belton sliding lock design was later improved and used in slightly more successful designs, such as Isaiah Jenning's repeating flintlock rifle.[5]


[B]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookson_repeater


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs4vjq6sW40

The Cookson flintlock rifle, a lever-action breech-loading repeater, is one of many similar designs to make an appearance on the world stage beginning in the 17th century. The revolutionary mechanism at the heart of the Cookson repeater dates from 1680 and was originally known in Europe as the Lorenzoni System, named for Italian gunsmith Michele Lorenzoni of Florence. Long arms utilizing this system were produced in other European nations and in the United States until about 1849. The Cookson rifle dates from 1750 and features a two-chamber horizontally-mounted rotating drum. Loading was accomplished by lowering a lever which was mounted on the left side of the rifle. This caused the chambers to line up with two magazines contained within the buttstock and allowed one .55 caliber lead ball and a 60-grain powder charge to fall into their respective chambers. When the lever was returned to its original position, the ball dropped into the chamber, and the powder charge lined up behind it. At the same time, the hammer was cocked, the pan was primed, and the frizzen was lowered. After firing the rifle, the process could be repeated until the two magazines, with their seven-shot capacities, were empty. Although other breech loading rifles were introduced in later years, the Cookson-type long arms were unique in their ability to fire multiple shots without reloading. This feature would later become widespread, but for a time, these repeaters represented the pinnacle in firearms development.

[Artful]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_hnC6x036Q

[Artful]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXpJYNQJAcQ

[Jack Stanley]

Look out Nancy look out !!! The skills never die , the skilled just use better machines now .

Jack

[Artful]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqW5bG2M3x4
http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462913&stc=1&d=1265156340
http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462914&stc=1&d=1265156340
You think they'll mess themselves when they find out the metal storm doesn't have any magazines?

[I'll Make Mine]

You think they'll mess themselves when they find out the metal storm doesn't have any magazines?

Given you have to replace the entire barrel (which carries the ignition connections as well as the superposed loads) after firing all the rounds, I don't think that'll ever be a civilian success -- or even a military breakthrough in a person-carried form. Given it'll most likely never be mass produced in pistol or shoulder-fired form, I doubt the gun controllers have even noticed it. Where Metalstorm is looking to make some headway is in emplaced, computer- or remote-controlled weapons, where the extreme rate of fire and relatively low manufacturing cost compared to a Gatling type (as well as "disposable" nature -- enemy troops can't readily reuse a Metalstorm unit that's been shot empty as they can a robot-fired conventional weapon) makes them attractive.

[Artful]

If they do a 6 round magazine national ban and I can get 21 rounds out of metal storm and if changing barrels can be done quickly - I'm against new tech if it accomplishes what I want done.

[Sasquatch-1]

Now this thread is suppose to be about the old not the new. :roll:

[Artful]

Sasquatch-1 - I did post about the old - and same design as belton flintlock as used in today's metal storm - everything old is new again.
So where is your next post about something old? or something new based on something old?