OK, here it is....Automated Star....

[wymanwinn]

Again, special thanks to HATCH for the automation....still a couple of plumbing issue to tidy up but it works GREAT....

wyman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2KwiXB4H8w

[HATCH]

What setting for timing?

Looks great.
Guess I need to build a control box for fox

[wymanwinn]

2 sec to start.....then after if got it sorted out back to 1 sec....nice...!!!!


What setting for timing?

Looks great.
Guess I need to build a control box for fox

[HATCH]

I think it can go faster.

Change the cycle time to Ms and do 750 or 600

Either way it better then pulling the handle yourself.

[HATCH]

Hey is that one sec on the relay itself or is it 500ms on the relay.
I keep forgetting cycle time really is twice the time on the relay.

[shootinfox2]

Looks good wyman. Can't wait to get mine running.

Fox

[wymanwinn]

Hey is that one sec on the relay itself or is it 500ms on the relay.
I keep forgetting cycle time really is twice the time on the relay.

1 sec....actually like the pace of the program at that....2 sec was tooooooo slow...

[sparky45]

Well, that just sucks rocks!! Now I'm so jealous I have to get one, period. Great job on setup and execution WW. I WILL have one of these!!

Sparky45

[mktacop]

What setting for timing?

Looks great.
Guess I need to build a control box for fox

Can I get a parts list? PLEEEEAAASE :bigsmyl2:

[mktacop]

Again, special thanks to HATCH for the automation....still a couple of plumbing issue to tidy up but it works GREAT....

wyman



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2KwiXB4H8w

Absolutely LOVE it! Congrats Wyman!!

[Pertsev]

Looks good ! Figure 1800 per hour ?
Much better than the one with fellow feeding bullets by hand :-(

How is the bullet feeder holding up?

[HATCH]

He was already set up with air but it was manual. All we did it automate the process.

[wymanwinn]

Looks good ! Figure 1800 per hour ?
Much better than the one with fellow feeding bullets by hand :-(

How is the bullet feeder holding up?

feeder works great, but a little PM is in order...i keep a close eye on the return spring (have LOTS of spares) and the long roll pin (lots of those too)....the slower pace allows for stopping the process if a problem occurs, stuck bullet and such....i oil the Star before sizing after warm up on every session and when changing dies i pull the bullet loader apart and give a good cleaning....

at one bullet sized every two seconds it is almost 3 times faster than the Automated MC....so i can load tubes and still be way ahead...

gonna tune up the plumbing over the weekend and post another video of sizing .40S&W, 180gr RNL....stay tuned

wyman

[mktacop]

feeder works great, but a little PM is in order...i keep a close eye on the return spring (have LOTS of spares) and the long roll pin (lots of those too)....the slower pace allows for stopping the process if a problem occurs, stuck bullet and such....i oil the Star before sizing after warm up on every session and when changing dies i pull the bullet loader apart and give a good cleaning....

at one bullet sized every two seconds it is almost 3 times faster than the Automated MC....so i can load tubes and still be way ahead...

gonna tune up the plumbing over the weekend and post another video of sizing .40S&W, 180gr RNL....stay tuned

wyman

Can't wait to see it!

[HATCH]

Can I get a parts list? PLEEEEAAASE :bigsmyl2:

I will get you a list in the morning.
It's two of the same relays, air switch, and a push button switch.
The relays aren't cheap.

[sparky45]

Hey, I got my Star bought, off *bay of all places. Should arrive here next week. I am going to put the air to it, not sure about the automation part. Now to get the necessary top punches and dies.

[mktacop]

Hey, I got my Star bought, off *bay of all places. Should arrive here next week. I am going to put the air to it, not sure about the automation part. Now to get the necessary top punches and dies.

Lathesmith can hook you up with dies/punches.

[wymanwinn]

OK, here they are...he MC and Star working in tandem....pretty sweet!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzBuOPmynGo

wyman

[shootinfox2]

Looks sharp. I have to get with Hatch about rhe Star.

Fox

[mktacop]

VERY nice Wyman!! I'm jealous!

Can't you still use the foot switch for the Star, or did you remove it?

[wymanwinn]

VERY nice Wyman!! I'm jealous!

Can't you still use the foot switch for the Star, or did you remove it?

removed the foot switch....prolly could plumb it in though....;)

[HATCH]

U can also just add a switch to energize the air switch.

[Screwbolts]

That looks awesome, I pulled the handle on one with a boolit feeder for the first time last Wed at a friends house.

Ken

[mktacop]

U can also just add a switch to energize the air switch.

I may go that route since I have some bullets that I have to do manually (NOE 311247)

[wyattjames]

could i please get a copy of the parts list too (thanks )

[HATCH]

This is the electronic side of the Star Automation
Its pretty basic..

2 x VTD2P-F50 Veris smart relay My cost on these are $70 each. -> http://www.veris.com/docs/Datasheets/VTD_d01131.pdf
1 x standard on/off toggle switch
2 x standard push button Momentary on
1 x air switch (will locate part # and add later. its in one of these post)

Now on the relays. These are multi-function smart relays. They can be configured to do a lot.
I used them because i got them as free samples. They do offer some that are 1/2 the price but a different style.

Basic setup.
Relay 1 - run time - Configured as a delay of break relay. this relay controls the amount of time the machine will run before it stops. The time set on this relay is normally twice the amount of time of relay 2 x's the amount of boolits you have in the tube

Relay 2 - cycle time - Configured as a repeat relay. This relay controls the amount of time for the cycle. it is a on/off repeating relay. It is set for 1 second. This will do one second on, then one second off. This makes the entire cycle to do one boolit is 2 seconds or 30 boolits per minute.

With this setup the machine will do a average of 1800 boolits a hr if it had a endless supply of boolits feeding it.

On my standard Magma tubes they hold about 53 38 sp 125 grain boolits.
Based on a 2 second cycle time (1 sec on/ 1 sec off) you would need to set the run time to 53 boolits x 2 secs = 106 secs
So relay 1 would be set to 106 seconds

Now someone asked me what if I have a boolit collator feeding my star......
Well there are a couple thoughts on this.
(1) What is the speed of the collator - how many boolits per minute can it feed???
(2) How many boolits can it hold??
(3) How many boolits can you lube with the amount of lube that is in the star??

I would build it as a standard setup then set the run time to be what the collator can hold and set the cycle time to what the collator can feed.

Now the switches..
1 - on/off - main power for the controls
1 - pushbutton - start button - a momentary push will start relay 1
1 - pushbutton - this would be the manual cylce push button. it feeds power directly to the air switch so you can manually cycle the machine

[HATCH]

I will be finally setting mine up this week.
Sizing up 1000 hp boolits wears my arm out.

[shootinfox2]

Hope everything goes according to plan.

Fox

[ACrowe25]

Wow that thing is pretty, congrats!

[wyattjames]

just had a couple questions? the conversion looks great ! what is the bore and stroke of the air cylinder you are running and at what psi?

[HATCH]

Hopefully this works from my phone.....

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=151658
Air Assisted Star Sizer

[The Oracle]

I think taking manually operated equipment and automating it is just cooler than all get out. I will definitely copying your build when automating my star.

[HATCH]

Its about time for me... I don't have a lot of time, I have more money then time. So it was logical for me to automate the Star. I haven't done mine but Wyman is running the prototype controller that I built for him. Keep in mind that I see he cleaned it up as it was designed as a prototype not the final product.
Speaking of that, i need to get a wiring diagram out to mktacop today before I leave for a much needed vacation.

[mktacop]

Its about time for me... I don't have a lot of time, I have more money then time. So it was logical for me to automate the Star. I haven't done mine but Wyman is running the prototype controller that I built for him. Keep in mind that I see he cleaned it up as it was designed as a prototype not the final product.
Speaking of that, i need to get a wiring diagram out to mktacop today before I leave for a much needed vacation.

That would be most appreciated! :bigsmyl2:

If you have time to send the new PLC program too (provided you've finished working on it), that would be great as well.

Enjoy your vacation!

[HATCH]

My machine is up and running. Ran into some minor issues.

1 - boolits were jamming in feed slide. This was do to the slide moving too fast and the boolits getting crooked above the die. I slowed the flow on up stroke and it corrected.

2 - broke two roll pins due to jammed boolits - corrected in above fix but out of roll pins now. Used roofing nail. Works great. They will bend if there is a jam. Just pull them out and replace. I got 100's of them.

3 - when loading the tubes put a sized and lubed boolit every 15. This will help prevent jams in the die itself by providing lube. I was jamming one out of 50 but I have sized 1000 this morning with no jams once I started doing this.

Remember this modification isn't about speed. Its about being about to not wear your arm out sizing boolits. I still babysit the star as it runs. Basically i load a tube just as fast as it empties one.

I suggest starting slow.
Adjust each flow valve. The down stroke needs to be more forceful then the up. Adjust the up so it barely puts the boolit in the right spot before starting the down stroke.

I run mine at 140psi. It will start sticking boolits in the die at 80psi.
My pancake compressor barely keep up with the star. After about 5 mins its starts running and will not stop until the star stops. I am looking at a bigger one.

Right now i am using a. 1.6 second cycle time. I have only sized the 40 cal 180's with it.
I would do a 3 or 4 sec time to start with.

[HATCH]

For anyone following this thread.
My setup requires more then 3cfm @ 90psi
I have to purchase a larger compressor to run the star sizer.
But good news is I will be able to size and cast at the same time then.

[shootinfox2]

I have the dewalt, 200 psi oiless. plumbed it to the bench with the 3/8 air line and split it at a tee for the caster and sizer in parrallel. comes on about twice an hour for three or four minutes.

Fox

[Whiterabbit]

OK, here they are...he MC and Star working in tandem....pretty sweet!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzBuOPmynGo

wyman

holy smokes. That bullet feeder tube needs an autofill hopper at the top, and you gotta mount the whole shebang under the desk. That way the bullets fall out of the master caster right into the hopper of the bullet feeder.

Add ingots on top, collect lubed bullets at the bottom.

[Uptickk]

Thank you for sharing! I had two quick questions.

1. Due to the rate of sizing does the lube ever get to cold or can the heat element keep up with it?

2. If you keep it lubed does any part of it get too warm due to the speed that you are sizing at?

Thanks

[wymanwinn]

Thank you for sharing! I had two quick questions.

1. Due to the rate of sizing does the lube ever get to cold or can the heat element keep up with it?

i cast, size and reload in a heated/AC'd room so i don't have that issue...the PID controled Star heater block works very nicely...:)

2. If you keep it lubed does any part of it get too warm due to the speed that you are sizing at?

i size at about one bullet every 2 seconds, that is controlled by the automation...so, no, the die does not get too warm...

i use Mobil 1 15w50 oil to lube all of the Star working parts and Magma Blue lube for my smokeless bullets....

Thanks

wyman

[Uptickk]

wyman

Thanks for your quick response! I am putting in an order today for the Star.

[HATCH]

I size in my un-conditioned space.
It was about 60 degrees F in my shop. My star heater had no issues keeping up.
I was able to speed up the sizer to 1 boolit every 1.6 secs and I had no problems with lube fillout

I also use magma lube cause Hey it works for me.