ly 311413

[lreed]

I've a one holer 311413,never have cast with it much,I think I remembered reading that that design wasn't much and sort of dismissed even having it. I read a glowing report of this bullet somewhere lately, can't find the post mentioning it-- so is lyman 311413 good-bad or indifferent? I cast a few today and would give them a go if--worthwhile. thanks lreed

[Janoosh]

I believe the discussion was about converting a Gas checked mold to Plain base. I don't remember any follow up postings. My Swiss K31 loves these when I shoot them Slow. I load to touch the lands. I get tired of all the pounding from recoil. I also plink with these from a Spanish FR7 in 308.

[HangFireW8]

I've a one holer 311413,never have cast with it much,I think I remembered reading that that design wasn't much and sort of dismissed even having it. I read a glowing report of this bullet somewhere lately, can't find the post mentioning it-- so is lyman 311413 good-bad or indifferent? I cast a few today and would give them a go if--worthwhile. thanks lreed

I have a one-holer 311413 as well. I'll repeat the advice I've heard here again and again. Despite its supersonic streamlined looks, this boolit has a definite speed limit! It was designed for gallery, practice or squib loads. Used as such it does very well.

The problem with getting accuracy at high velocity is the long nose, it tends to slump over at high acceleration.

Another thing to know is the gas check area has a curious taper to it. The idea was to try to use gas pressure to turn slip-off gas checks into hold-ons. I use modern gas checks on them with no problem.

Lower right bull is 30'06 out of an FN Mauser with my version of "The Load", 12.7grains Red Dot. Why 12.7 grains? It happens to be what my Lyman Accumeasure throws with the closest rotor. 5 shots into 0.41 inch center-to-center at 25 yards.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=53223&d=1330210709
HF

[.22-10-45]

My 311413 comes from an old single cavity Ideal mould. Fired in an 1898 .30-40 Krag, using the appature on 1901 rear, I could group around 1" at 100yds (this was nearly 20 years ago when I could still "see"!). Theres a reason it was called "the squib"..doesn't like speed. 18.5gr IMR 4227 will put e'm in there though.

[Le Loup Solitaire]

311413 is an older design that was very popular and still is a favorite with many shooters. It is capable of good accuracy especially if not driven too fast. The previous post with one recommended loading is spot on; several other powder combinations also work quite well. The previous discussion/post by HangFireW8 also makes some good recommendations on how to avoid pushing things too fast and what the mechanics are. I would not eliminate the gas check feature and would continue to use the GC's. LLS

[1Shirt]

I have one that is HP'd. Good shooter at lower vols (1200-1400) in most of my 30's
1Shirt!

[Piedmont]

The man who designed this bullet was named Squib. If it were designed for gallery loads it would not have a gas check.

[PAT303]

I'd love a three holer to replace my single cav,I really like the 413 boolit. Pat

[Char-Gar]

The guy who first designed this bullets was a guy named Squibb from Lima Ohio. This was a very popular low velocity bullet just before and after WWII. Belding and Mull, Hensley and Gibbs, Cramer and Lyman all made versions and there are minor difference between them. You have the Lyman version. I own all four makes of molds in this design. As far as I can tell Modern Bond did not make this design. It will do a good job if you keep it to a speed of 1.5K fps or below. The steep taper to the nose allows it to fit in a wide variety of 30 caliber rifle barrels. The steep nose taper also present some issues as well. Best of luck with this bullet, I like it.

Oh yes, when you look at older loading material like Phil Sharpe's work, this bullet is often just called the "Squibb" bullet. If you run accross that, this is the bullet they are talking about.

[lreed]

Thanks for the info on the 413 bullet.I bought a sackfull of molds for practically nothing back when eccentrics and crazy people were the only people who shot cast,everyone else knew for a fact that they would lead a barrel, and were not accurate. The only downside several,this one among them were one holers, all the .458 ones were.
I,m just about ready to "paint" a 30-30 singleshot would like to try this bullet, the bore is a little large for some of the noseriders anyway so small nose wont matter. thanks again,lreed

[GP100man]

Ireed

This is a good design ,just as everyone has said it does`nt like to go fast. I can squeak 2" at a hundered running em around 1600 but south fast any faster !

Before I got my 311041 for the 30-30 I checked & sized em with a flat top punch (set depth for consistentcy) & used em for 30-30 boolits , worked quite well ,as when I smahed the points to a flat it made the edge of the oglive fatter & did very well .

Heres a pic of the "swaged" 314 for the 30-30

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx110/GP100man/102_0410.jpg

[Bullshop]

This very day I was out shooting that boolit in a 308 Win. Nice tight little clusters at 100 yards.
At 300 yards ringing a hanging tie plate became boreing with regularity of hits.
The load is 41.5grain of IMR 4350 and is no slouch of a load as the stout recoil will attest to.
Being way to windy to chronograph I would chance a guess at velocity near 2400 fps. I wouldnt call that mild for a 175gn boolit from a 308 Win.
I had read here and elsewhere that this design is limited to moderate velocity but my 308 is telling me otherwise. When I got home from shooting I cast for 1 hour and made 250 from my old Ideal single cavity.
Mine drops a nice round boolit at .314"

[lreed]

Wow,this 413 bullet is getting interesting! I found the info the was lost to me-its in blackpowder paper patching started by barabruce post 14. johnboy is shooting 94 win 500 meters-5 shot-7in group-using 16.5- 4759. and now Bullshop's post! I probably will not have such success as they, every thirty I have is 10 twist. Very interesting lreed

[Bullshop]

Keep in mind that my boolits are hard. They are cast from an alloy of 6pt coww to 1 pt monotype and quench hardened. This alloy air cooled with rate a bhn-15. Quench hardened after about 24 hours will go about bhn-20 and after a couple months will reach bhn-24.
The boolits fired today were cast about 4 months ago.

[GP100man]

Thanks for posting that Bullshop !!

I have a few left before needing more for the 06 ,but the next batch is gonna be a bit harder methinks .

[beagle]

I have a hollow point version that I run around 1900 FPS and get 100 yard accuracy from 3/4-2" at 100 yards depending on how dedicated I am that day. I don't see anything wrong with it at moderate velocities and it's one of my favorite shooting designs./beagle

[wcp4570]

Another discussion on this mold was started by Ben, where he shows outstanding results with a mold that was converted to plain base.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?167567-Modern-Bond-30-cal-190-gr-Plain-base

wcp

[BCall]

The guy who first designed this bullets was a guy named Squibb from Lima Ohio. This was a very popular low velocity bullet just before and after WWII. Belding and Mull, Hensley and Gibbs, Cramer and Lyman all made versions and there are minor difference between them. You have the Lyman version. I own all four makes of molds in this design. As far as I can tell Modern Bond did not make this design.


I have 3 of the 4 you have listed, the H&G, Cramer, and a Lyman plus a Lyman HP single cavity. I also have a Lachmiller 3 cavity version of this Squibb design, and have seen Yankee and Ohaus versions of it as well, but them and the B&M version have eluded my wallet to date.

[Bullshop]

I was wrong on my estimated velocity earlier on with this bullet. It was very nice and calm today so I did chrono the load of 41.5gn imr 4350. It gave 2120 fps average and about 2.5 moa at 100 yards. I think a good rest might shave an inch off that as I was using an awfull wabbly arangment today. I dont own and actual rifle rest.

[rintinglen]

My 30-40 will group them into 2 inches at 2100 fps, but any faster and groups open up. I had poor luck in my 06, but in my Model 94, single loaded, this is a real dinger.