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303Guy
02-09-2013, 08:20 PM
From Wikipedia;

A typical European casting alloy contains 94% tin, 1% copper, and 5% antimony.
A European pewter sheet would contain 92% tin, 2% copper, and 6% antimony.
Asian pewter contains a higher percentage of tin, usually 97.5% tin, 1% copper, and 1.5% antimony. This makes the alloy slightly softer.
... "fine metal", was used for tableware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableware). It consisted of tin with as much copper as it could absorb, which is about 1%. ... "trifling metal" or "trifle", was used for holloware (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holloware). It is made up of fine metal with approximately 4% lead. The last type of pewter, known as "lay" or "ley" metal, was used for items that were not in contact with food or drink. It consisted of tin with 15% lead. These three alloys were used, with little variation, until the 20th century.

Now get this;

Britannia metal or britannium is a pewter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pewter)-type alloy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy) favoured for its silvery appearance and smooth surface. The composition is approximately and typically 92% tin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin), 6% antimony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimony), and 2% copper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper).
Britannia metal was widely used as the base metal for silver plated household goods and cutlery.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_metal#cite_note-5) The abbreviation EPBM on such items denotes "electroplated Britannia metal".
English Pewter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Pewter) (approximately 91% tin, 7.5% antimony and 1.5% copper)

So, EPBM would be a rich source of tin, copper and antimony from op shops and second hand dealers or pawn shops or perhaps even scrap metal dealers.

500MAG
02-09-2013, 08:23 PM
Pewter is all I use as my source of tin. Hit the flea markets often and get plenty for cheap.

imashooter2
02-09-2013, 08:41 PM
Using pewter as tin, the amount of antimony or copper added to your alloy would be very small. Adding 2% pewter to your melt, even the 2% copper version would only result in 4 hundredths of 1% copper in the final product.

303Guy
02-10-2013, 12:22 AM
I was thinking more like 7% Brittania metal for the antimony plus a little copper. I don't want too much antimony anyway. European sheet pewter would be great to get with 2% copper and 6% antimony. So far I have only identified one item as being stamped as pewter so I'll treat what I have as tin. But I'll be out looking for pewter silverware marked EPBM.

imashooter2
02-10-2013, 12:33 AM
That's a lot of tin for very little copper and antimony. I don't see it as worthwhile, but then again, I don't have to. Enjoy! :)

bear67
02-11-2013, 08:18 PM
I am just an old Texas country boy farmer and I don't know Pewter from sheep droppings. What is an easy method to identify pewter. I was gives some "pewter" picture frames, but really don't know any more than I did before. I need another source of affordable tin.

KYCaster
02-11-2013, 10:18 PM
I am just an old Texas country boy farmer and I don't know Pewter from sheep droppings. What is an easy method to identify pewter. I was gives some "pewter" picture frames, but really don't know any more than I did before. I need another source of affordable tin.


Pewter doesn't stick to your boots. And your wife doesn't complain when you track it into the house. [smilie=1:

Jerry

500MAG
02-11-2013, 10:31 PM
I am just an old Texas country boy farmer and I don't know Pewter from sheep droppings. What is an easy method to identify pewter. I was gives some "pewter" picture frames, but really don't know any more than I did before. I need another source of affordable tin.
It is marked "pewter" on the bottom. Also, it bends easily. Stay away from anything marked RWP or Royal Wilton Pewter, it's not pewter.

imashooter2
02-11-2013, 10:52 PM
I am just an old Texas country boy farmer and I don't know Pewter from sheep droppings. What is an easy method to identify pewter. I was gives some "pewter" picture frames, but really don't know any more than I did before. I need another source of affordable tin.

Here you go:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?127929-Pewter-pictures-and-hallmarks

500MAG
02-11-2013, 10:59 PM
Here you go:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?127929-Pewter-pictures-and-hallmarks
That's a great thread. I learned the candlestick thing the hard way. Thought I had a fortune in pewter and turned out I lost a fortune. Lol

303Guy
02-12-2013, 12:27 AM
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That one would be 99% tin and 1% copper. Not all pewter ware is marked as pewter which is a bit of a problem. For years I've past off these heavy or thick objects at op-shops as being amuminum. Now I realise they were pewter i.e. tin! Mind you, some or many of them could have been cast aluminium.

Thanks for the link - I missed that thread. Pity.

So, tin will only absorb about 1% copper on its own.

imashooter2
02-12-2013, 12:39 AM
I feel pretty confident in my ability to identify pewter at this point, but I find enough hallmarked pieces that I don't bother with unmarked stuff...

SlippShodd
02-12-2013, 10:36 AM
Pewter doesn't stick to your boots. And your wife doesn't complain when you track it into the house. [smilie=1: Jerry

[smilie=l:

fryboy
02-13-2013, 06:49 AM
on the brite side .... silver plating adds a lil to the mix ( in case of werewolves i'm sure :P ) at one time there was ( may still be ) a company who proudly boast some percentage of silver in their bullet alloy , as to the actual hardening affects of it i have no clue