311-165-RF ranch dog bullet wok with lee tumble lube?

[sixpointfive]

Anyone tumble lube (alox) and shoot the ranch dog standard (not tl) bullet in their marlin 30-30 micro groove?

[btroj]

The "standard" Ranch Dog mould IS a tumble lube. The traditional groove style was a later addition.

No reason traditional grooved bullets can't be tumble lubed. Many do it all the time.

[sixpointfive]

Thanks

[Keyston44]

I have tumble lubed standard lube groved bullets. I perfer to dip lube them now though.

Key

[rintinglen]

I have loaded and fired hundreds of 311-041, Lyman's similar but slightly heavier boolit using nothing but Lee Liquid Alox.

[Tom Myers]

The "standard" Ranch Dog mould IS a tumble lube. The traditional groove style was a later addition.

No reason traditional grooved bullets can't be tumble lubed. Many do it all the time.

Visual Aids

http://www.tmtpages.com/LinkSkyImages/forum_images/RD-311-165-70/RANCH_DOG'S_C311-170-RF_50_%25.Jpg------------ http://www.tmtpages.com/LinkSkyImages/forum_images/RD-311-165-70/RANCH_DOG'S_TLC311-165-RF_50_%25.Jpg

[btroj]

True enough Tom. I keep forgetting he did the 170. When I see comments about the RD bullet for 30-30 I always think of the "original" 165 TL bullet.

[1Shirt]

Have both the original 165 w/gc & the same w/0 gc. Both work well both with LLA and regular lubes.
1Shirt!

[pls1911]

+ 1 for 1shirt... works with the 45-45-10 mix too. White label lubes as well.

[myg30]

I just started loading my RD165TL's, 45/45/10 also. Do you seat them to just engrave the boolit a tad ? The various loading data for these are making me wonder. Load data on RD's site and hogdens,lymans. Some say keep them under 1600,other data got them to 2100 +.
My 336 seems to favor the factory 150's cor lok, but im determined to make these RD's work. Any starting help appreciated not meaning the hi-jak the thread.

Mike

[sixpointfive]

What over all lenght are you using when you load these?

[btroj]

I crimp in the crimp groove. I do need to keep cases trimmed a bit short or the rounds don't chamber easily, the ogive hits the lands.
OAL is going to be determined by YOUR gun and chamber. I would go as long as possible as long as they easily chamber. Light contact with the lands isn't bad at all.

[sixpointfive]

I see now I am going to need to trim .015" below min case length.

[btroj]

That is about what I had to do with my NOE version. My "real" RD mould was just fine from the get go. It all depends on the curve of the ogive and the throat in your rifle
Nothing worse than not being able to get the action to close because of a long round.

[myg30]

My boolit touches the lands at 2.463, I seat em at 2.465 . They cycle good at that length. I know the fine tune process is or can be a long process. Powder choice,loads are abundent. I do have several powders to try. The more I read the greater the choice.

Mike

[TXGunNut]

I'm using 2.490" oal with my 336 using the RD TLC 311-165, that's to the top of the crimp groove. With a bit of crimp groove showing (2.5") I get a slight engraving from the lands.

[MT Gianni]

Ranch dog lubed these with tl lightly to size then after sizeing and adding a check, dipped the base 2-3 times up to the third groove.

[sixpointfive]

17.5 gr 2400 powder and the noe 165 bullet sized .311 shot 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards at 1888 fps out of my micro groove marlin 336 30-30. The bullets were tumble lubed.

[btroj]

Sounds like you have your answer.

[sixpointfive]

62061

[smkummer]

Matt (sixpointfive), everyone likes pictures and I was with you, the numbers don't lie, that is under a 1" at 100 yards. Your being modest and great shooting.

[pls1911]

Inasmuch as my 30/30 rounds need to function in many difference guns, the "kiss the rifling" approach doesn't cut it. My oal is adjusted for RanchDog profiles to easily fit the shortest throat I have and used to shoot in everything else.
If I were shooting paper for groups, the approach would be different, but from a hunting perspective I seem to maintain minute of bunny without much effort.

[TXGunNut]

Inasmuch as my 30/30 rounds need to function in many difference guns, the "kiss the rifling" approach doesn't cut it. My oal is adjusted for RanchDog profiles to easily fit the shortest throat I have and used to shoot in everything else.
If I were shooting paper for groups, the approach would be different, but from a hunting perspective I seem to maintain minute of bunny without much effort.


Agreed. I've had a few bolt rifles that liked the "ktr" treatment but they also had a similar sweet spot several thousandths off the lands. I like to wring out a reasonable amount of accuracy from my rifles but they're all hunting rifles and there is little to be gained and lots to lose from maxing out the COAL in a hunting situation, IMHO.

[pls1911]

TXGNut... Yup, there's nothing more frustrating then to have string of 40-60 pigs running across your path and you lever in a too long bullet, effectively jamming your gun.
About that time I reach for the .45.... But by then I might only get a Texas Heart Shot on the last straggler.
Some lessons are learned the hard way... Glad I can laugh at my own missteps.

[sixpointfive]

I wish I could go on a hog hunt.

[popper]

The 165worked ok for me in the 336 but the 170 worked better. I crimped on the ogive instead of shortening the case.

[Four Fingers of Death]

I always try plain based boolits as cast using LLA first up. If that works and it usually does, I leave it at that. No sense looking for extra jobs.

[HiVelocity]

I have an "original" TL 165gr RD 2-cavity; and the NOE clone w/regular lube grooves.I love them both. I guess the trick for me is to lube them once, let dry, apply gas-check, lube again. I appreciate the OAL info noted; its a task to figure out what works when you rarely have time to shoot. [Nice 3 shot group, btw, sixpointfive].

HV