hang on to them surplus rifles guys

[Beekeeper]

Just back from the gunshop here where I live.
Normally a Black Rifle shop.

I tried several months ago to sell him a couple of M44 rifles I have.
I wanted $150 each for them and was turned down.Too expensive was told.

Today he has M44 Mosin Nagant rifles for $499.00 each and said he has already sold 2.
I must be setting on a gold mine.


beekeeper

[historicfirearms]

I know the buying for black rifles is crazy around me. Most wood n steel rifles seem to be pretty much at pre panic prices from what I've seen. I've had a couple m44's and they are neat guns but I wouldn't pay anywhere near five hundred for one.

[HATCH]

I will not say they will never ban a bolt action gun but they will be the last room ever get banned if they start with gun banning.

I shot my ishapore 308 last month for the first time. I am never selling that.

[PS Paul]

I will not say they will never ban a bolt action gun but they will be the last room ever get banned if they start with gun banning.

I shot my ishapore 308 last month for the first time. I am never selling that. Some have already tried by calling our bolt rifles "military sniper rifles". Even your old deer rifle fell under the guise of their descriptions.... I recall it was Chuckie Schumer who tried this about three years ago, but I could be wrong on that?

[jimb16]

You aren't wrong. They have been trying to call a scoped 700 BDL or M70 sniper rifles for years.

[Uncle Grinch]

I saw a box of Federal 22LR (525 rounds) for $45 yesterday. Needless to say, I passed on it.

[PS Paul]

I saw a box of Federal 22LR (525 rounds) for $45 yesterday. Needless to say, I passed on it.

Really? Now THAT is ridiculous!

[cloakndagger]

Wow... just checked with the local shop today, mosin 91/30's up to $200... I bought a crate three yrs ago w/a friend for $50 ea.. got $100 of grease as a bonus (lol). Love to have been able to pick up a m44 then, but anytime one showed up it was snatched up..

[TCLouis]

Wow, at that rate I bet my Egyptian 8mm M1A substitute would fetch better than 50 bucks?

Whatduyathink?

[462]

I picked up a very early-manufactured 24/47 Mauser, a few months ago, for $200. Under all the cosmoline was exceptionally nice walnut and an un-fired barrel. It's accuracy makes it a keeper.

[phaessler]

I picked up a very early-manufactured 24/47 Mauser, a few months ago, for $200. Under all the cosmoline was exceptionally nice walnut and an un-fired barrel. It's accuracy makes it a keeper.

I remember before Mitchell made the M24's famous I bought 4 , beautiful furniture, all matching numbers, cleaning kits, ammo holders (euro-leather) and bayonets. And packed with cosmoline. Out the door was around $500 for everything. I made a .22-250AI out of one, and left the others. But I like them too muchto part with them now.
People are buying crazy, not that I blame them, you can never have enough. And with every manufacturer on what seems to be a never ending backorder. Its a shame the non-black rifle prices have to suffer too.

Pete

[offshore44]

I picked up a very early-manufactured 24/47 Mauser, a few months ago, for $200. Under all the cosmoline was exceptionally nice walnut and an un-fired barrel. It's accuracy makes it a keeper.

Same here, same rifle. Once it was cleaned up, it is a nice piece of work. Mid-400's serial number. It's now my "official" walking around rifle. Looking for one of those funky side mount scope mounts for it now. I've only ever shot cast out of it, and it shoots like a house a-fire!

[Gunnut 45/454]

I guess that would make my S/N number matching G98/40 wurth about 6 grand then! Or my bolt mismatch about 2 grand! Not that I'd ever sell them since Dad brought them back from the war. But My K98 should fetch atleast 1 grand!:mrgreen:

[I'll Make Mine]

I paid $120 for my Mosin 91/30 not quite a year ago. I have no plans to ever get rid of it; as noted above, bolt action rifles with iron sights will be the very last to go if the gun grabbers ever do get their way.

[leadman]

Bolt actions may not be the last to go. Think of all the single shots out there. I do have a single shot bolt action military rifle though, a 71 Mauser.

[Hang Fire]

Bargains are still out there. My son-in-law just had one fall into his lap. From same guy, he got a Norinco Mac 90 (shades of complying with the 1993 gun ban thingy) for 400 bucks and a beautiful Finn 1944 Sako barreled M-39 for $120.00 with all matching numbers.

He really likes the Mac 90 thumb hole stock, but what impressed me was the workmanship in machining which the Chinese put into making this particular rifle. Don't know if all Mac 90 rifles are made like it, but this one puts current crop of AKs offered to shame.

[jonk]

I saw a box of Federal 22LR (525 rounds) for $45 yesterday. Needless to say, I passed on it.
You should have snapped that up. I kid you not, single 525 round boxes of .22 ammo are selling over $100 on gunbroker right now! :O

[1Shirt]

This whole thing is nuts! It is panic based on fear, and the economics factors of supply and demand, Caviat Emptor(sp), and in many cases greed.
1Shirt!

[Hang Fire]

Something is only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

[uscra112]

And as the old auctioneers used to cry "The more you pay, the more it's worth".

[Boz330]

Bolt actions may not be the last to go. Think of all the single shots out there. I do have a single shot bolt action military rifle though, a 71 Mauser.

You have to remember that this is about control, not gun control. The military uses bolt guns for sniper rifles. By extension all bolt guns will become sniper rifles and what do you need a sniper rifle for?????????????????? Can't shoot ducks with it, only good for killing people.

Bob

[jimb16]

$200 for a 91/30!? It was less than a year ago that I got a mint one for free for buying a full case of surplus ammo!

[I'll Make Mine]

This whole thing is nuts! It is panic based on fear, and the economics factors of supply and demand, Caviat Emptor(sp), and in many cases greed.
1Shirt!

Oh, I agree, it's idiocy -- but it's idiocy that's got me seriously contemplating spending over $100 for 500 rounds (shipped) of Eley .22 LR, because it's the cheapest kind I can find in stock anywhere, and I'll need 500 rounds all the same for Appleseed soon...

[WILCO]

It is panic based on fear, and the economics factors of supply and demand, Caviat Emptor(sp), and in many cases greed.
1Shirt!

I get tired of hearing "It's greed". There are many factors figured into prices for items. Saying it's greed is nothing more than class warfare. I'm sure if you were the seller, you'd sell it for fair market value.
A state and federal government that passes laws which make you submit to a background check for ammunition purchases does a lot to drive up the demand and price. The background check is nothing more than a form of registration. The government now knows what caliber weapon your feeding, where you work, live and how much you've purchased. Buy too much, and they'll visit you.

[grindal]

Greed happens when people show up at retail shops (who haven't raised their prices yet) prior to their opening and strip the shelves bare with the INTENT to take the same product, charge 3-4 times the price they paid and make some quick bucks. This leaves nothing for anybody else to purchase (by intent) and limits options.

Thankfully, many of these retailers (including mine) are going to limits on ammo and accessory purchases in order to help slow this madness.

If there would simply be some product in stock when these panic buyers head to the store this would slow down and eventually die out, just like all the others.

[3006guns]

What about the Jap 7.7 Arisaka rifles and short rifles? My old buddy wants to sell his pair to get something else. One still has the crest/mum, bayonet, sling and story of the Marine who brought it home.

No one answered your question.....first of all, there's technically there's no such thing as a "short" Jap rifle. The first type 99's were long, in the same vein as a type 38 but they were quickly reduced in length to what we're accustomed to seeing now.

Your buddy should contact someone interested in Japanese weaponry......like ME! :) Or he could take it to a gun shop, get told that it's worthless and get stiffed on an offer.

[perotter]

For whatever reason, around here there has been a good supply of Type-99(and other Japanese) rifles for years. The prices are the same today as they have been for the last couple of years.

IMO, old bolt action military rifles will go down in real dollar price over time. The younger crowd don't care for them much and there are millions & millions of them sitting around in the US.

[drhall762]

I look at it this way, if you shoot it keep it, if you don't consider it an investment. As with all investments the trick is to sell at the top. I am parting with a few that I picked up cheap and are now worth 3 and 4 times what I paid. Should I wait? Maybe, but maybe we'll see another "executive order" that screws up sales.

Remember the paraphrased words of our nobel second in command, Slow Joe, "Get a shotgun for defense." I predict we may soon be limited to single or double barreled rifles and shotgun and iron sights.

Black powder firearms are not as yet restricted in many states so there is a possibility. Several styles of "antique" bolt action repeaters are available in black powder cartridge that are nearly as sweet as the day they left the factory. Replica revolvers like the steel frame Pietta 1858 Remington Army can take a second cylinder for .45 Colt and shoot Cowboy Loads nicely. Neither gun nor cylinder subject to restriction in many areas.

I guess we all shall see. May we all be prepared for the worst.

[Rangefinder]

Bargains are still out there. My son-in-law just had one fall into his lap. From same guy, he got a Norinco Mac 90 (shades of complying with the 1993 gun ban thingy) for 400 bucks and a beautiful Finn 1944 Sako barreled M-39 for $120.00 with all matching numbers.

He really likes the Mac 90 thumb hole stock, but what impressed me was the workmanship in machining which the Chinese put into making this particular rifle. Don't know if all Mac 90 rifles are made like it, but this one puts current crop of AKs offered to shame.

I have a Mak-90 and you are not mistaken--they are vastly superior the wasr's and such. Everything is crisp and tight, and accurate beyond every expectation of an AK variant. Popping clay pigeons at 200M is easy, milk jugs at 300M is guaranteed if the operator has any skill at all. It LOVES cast boolits, too. If he got one for $400, he almost stole it. Most run in the $6-800 range and in my opinion, are worth every penny. Now... a Finn M39 for $120??? Where is this guy--sounds like I need to get in touch with him, just in case he has anything else he's afraid might be declared illegal by the regime!

[bigbear]

I get tired of hearing "It's greed". There are many factors figured into prices for items. Saying it's greed is nothing more than class warfare. I'm sure if you were the seller, you'd sell it for fair market value.
A state and federal government that passes laws which make you submit to a background check for ammunition purchases does a lot to drive up the demand and price. The background check is nothing more than a form of registration. The government now knows what caliber weapon your feeding, where you work, live and how much you've purchased. Buy too much, and they'll visit you.

If you buy ammo with credit card, gov't can know if they wish. If you belong to gun club, gov't can know if they wish, in fact if you are reading this, gov't can know if they wish. Been that way for years. Not sure what the hubbub is all about. watch your 6!

[mikeyd23]

I just picked up a 440rnd. tin of 7.62X54r for $99 to along with my new 91/30. Waited 4 months for one to come in stock and picked one up in a trade...now the ammo is sold out online and I went back to grab another 440 tin and they were gone too. Those tins have been sitting at the store for 2 years, now all 10 are gone!!

[I'll Make Mine]

Yep. Everything is going, there's going to be no ammo to buy in any caliber in another couple weeks, at this rate.

In one way, I'm glad I have some on hand -- 500+ rounds of 7.62x54r, around 200 each of .357 Magnum and .22 LR, and 70 or thereabouts of .380. Not enough for much shooting, but enough to at least not feel naked when I hear something bump in the night.

[calgunner]

The Crossroads of the West gun show we had in mid-december a guy was selling for 350 to 400 for what I would say was poor to fair Jap 7.7 Arisakas. When the show returns in march I think I'm going to be in shock when I see the new prices on these old military rifles.

[Ed in North Texas]

If you buy ammo with credit card, gov't can know if they wish. If you belong to gun club, gov't can know if they wish, in fact if you are reading this, gov't can know if they wish. Been that way for years. Not sure what the hubbub is all about. watch your 6!

While you aren't wrong, it isn't as easy as you think. Subpoena for club membership records requires some reason (assuming the club would move to quash the subpoena, without a rationale the court would quash in a second). Credit card records have to be subpoenaed by name, the government doesn't get to just browse through them. And the banks and credit card companies would oppose the subpoena without a criminal case as the reason. Yes, websites are the easy pickings, but they have to be read - and that takes personnel time. And then a subpoena would have to be issued to find out who the user name actually is - again a subpoena by name unless the government can make the case that a website is a terrorist site.

Nope - retained records of checks for ammo purchase are easy pickins compared to all that. The governmental entity already has the computer record, simple search routine and they have what they want.

Ed

[Ed in North Texas]

I just picked up a 440rnd. tin of 7.62X54r for $99 to along with my new 91/30. Waited 4 months for one to come in stock and picked one up in a trade...now the ammo is sold out online and I went back to grab another 440 tin and they were gone too. Those tins have been sitting at the store for 2 years, now all 10 are gone!!

A couple of weeks ago my favorite on-line ammo outfit started the morning out with about 200 cases (2 tins) of 7.62x54R, I was surprised they actually had 8 cases left the next morning, but not for long. They had a limit of 2 cases IIRC. They had been selling hundreds of cases of the 7.62x54R. Started out with both Russian and Bulgarian ammo in wood crates, last I knew they only had Bulgarian, 2 tins in cardboard. Each batch they got in was higher in price (of course, they paid more, buyer paid more). Haven't been to the site in a while, but I'd be surprised if they have any ammo at all. The commercial high dollar stuff was going quickly, just not as fast as the Milsurp.

Ed

[williamwaco]

I know the buying for black rifles is crazy around me. Most wood n steel rifles seem to be pretty much at pre panic prices from what I've seen. I've had a couple m44's and they are neat guns but I wouldn't pay anywhere near five hundred for one.

Went to a gun show this weekend and was not shocked to see there were very few black rifles on the tables, formerly that was 80% of the total displays.

I was shocked to see the prices. They were asking 2000 to 3500 for what looked like perfectly ordinary AR-15's Up to 6000 for AR-10s.

Sure wish I had a few of them to sell.

[mikeyd23]

Went to a gun show this weekend and was not shocked to see there were very few black rifles on the tables, formerly that was 80% of the total displays.

I was shocked to see the prices. They were asking 2000 to 3500 for what looked like perfectly ordinary AR-15's Up to 6000 for AR-10s.

Sure wish I had a few of them to sell.

It makes me sick to think about how many ar's I have had and sold :(

[OBXPilgrim]

LGS had Federal AutoMatch bulk 325 rds for the small sum of $47.50 yesterday. They only had 4 boxes left!!

I had to point it out to my friend - he couldn't believe it.

[KCSO]

A fellow I know who is a Sightron dealer just came back from Russia and says they are about out of Mosin rifles in currently know stockpiles. He said the price is due to jump on the Mosin's soon.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Bargains are still out there. My son-in-law just had one fall into his lap. From same guy, he got a Norinco Mac 90 (shades of complying with the 1993 gun ban thingy) for 400 bucks and a beautiful Finn 1944 Sako barreled M-39 for $120.00 with all matching numbers.

He really likes the Mac 90 thumb hole stock, but what impressed me was the workmanship in machining which the Chinese put into making this particular rifle. Don't know if all Mac 90 rifles are made like it, but this one puts current crop of AKs offered to shame.

Not familiar with the Mac90 (sounds delightfully nasty though!), but the Finnish Mosin Nagants bring over $AU1000 here in good condition.

[Andyd]

Not familiar with the Mac90 (sounds delightfully nasty though!), but the Finnish Mosin Nagants bring over $AU1000 here in good condition.

Wow!!!

My son is trying to trade his M39, a 1941 VKT, with a mismatched bolt, dinged up stock but great barrel and bluing, together with an unopened spam can of 7.62x54R for a CZ 82 or S&W M10.

We just don't have too much space left for rifles:roll: and buying a third large safe is not cheap...

[Four Fingers of Death]

A steel footlocker is usually pretty cheap and bolts to the wall. Ok for cheap rifles. I have one with a big hasp and staple and using the two end hasp and staples and three keyed alike padlocks, makes a pretty cheap, but effective gun safe.

[Andyd]

The cheapest rifle that I have are pretty much my old K98ks.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/98er.jpg
The front riing does not lessen the value8-)


I would not even store my Hämmerli mags in a locker, not in South East Florida and even with my alarm.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/DSCF7257.jpg

And my SIG P210 mags would take a long time to replace, too.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/magmania_zps0774b051.jpg

Call me paranoid but I even lock up my old airrifles!

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/DSCF4819.jpg

[Beekeeper]

Stoped by the place where the M44 were $499 a week ago and they were gone along with all but 2 old BP wall hangers.
A few pistols and a few modern bolt actions but nothing else.
Owner wanted to know if I would sell my collection of Milsurps as he had a ready market for them.
Talk about gouging, offered me 200 for my M44's and 100 for my 91/30's. Had them on sale last week for $499 each.
Needless to say I didn't sell.
Seems like all milsurp rifles and pistols are all of a sudden going for a premium!!


beekeeper

[Kraschenbirn]

Been keepin' up on this thread since it started and it got me to thinking about a fairly decent Yugo M48 I'd seen in a pawnshop a couple weeks ago. Went back this morning and it was still there. Re-arsenal job with a varnished stock but matching #s on bolt, receiver, & milled floorplate; shiny bore with strong rifling and clean crown...was asking $295+tax but took $275 OTD and I pick it up on Friday. Probably paid a little more than I should've but it'll fill the slot in the rack between the VZ-24 and the M-38 Turk.

Bill