What is this and what's it worth?

[zuke]

I received this as a partial swap,and was wondering what it's worth.
I received it as you see it.
There's a couple part's missing and when you go to cock it it doesn't stay cocked.
It has a 5 digit serial number.

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[nicholst55]

Constructive possession of an unregistered Short-Barrel Rifle (SBR)? I believe I'd lose the barrel stub, myself.

[SOFMatchstaff]

LOoks like someones Idea of a mares leg. I dont know what the rules in Ont. are, but here it would be bordering on a felony. It is worth a couple bills to an enterprising builder to restore. Cant hurt it much more than it is. You have the important part..

[MtGun44]

If the barrel was screwed into that gun, I would call it a prison sentence on the hoof in the US of A.

It originally was a Winchester 1892 lever action rifle. Somebody made a makeshife, US-illegal "pistol" out
of it. With a 16" barrel, it will likely still be illegal in the US due to a min 26" overall length requirement.
With a normal stock and 16" bbl it will be perfectly legal.

In the US, I be willing to pay $150 or maybe 200 for it, but not a penny more. This assumes that the internal
parts are there and still not ruined or corroded too far to work well. If the internals are worn out, I wouldn't
give more antn $100 and assemble it as a wall hanger.

So what are the laws in Canada on such items?

Bill

[zuke]

Taken care of.

[runfiverun]

with the stock cut off,and the bbl shortened, it becomes a handgun.
same as the rossi mares leg

[BCRider]

Now don't gag on this fellas, but up here in Canada the Mare's Leg guns are considered as non-restricted just like a regular lever rifle. The Rossi and other Mare's Legs are being sold as this regularly. So he's not in the stew for having one of his own.

On the other hand while it's OK for the factory to produce and sell guns with short barrels it is very much against our laws to cut a barrel to under 18 inches for a manually operated gun and 18.5 inches for a semi auto. So if the old barrel was clearly cut down rather than being a factory delivered length then the barrel will need to be turned in for destruction. But it doesn't mean that Zuke can't go ahead and build this action back up with a stock lengh barrel.

Zuke, when you say you "took care of it" I hope you didn't slice it up into little bits and toss 'em... :D What you've got is obviously an EARLY Winchester 1892 chambered in .44WCF which, as I understand it, is the same as .44-40. Being as this is a fairly popular classic sort of ammo that is used a lot by cowboy action shooters it isn't hard at all to get brass and bullets. And if you're willing to pay the premium you can likely source some factory loaded ammo.

And as the 1892 is still a fairly popular rifle even parts are not that hard to get or all that expensive. It could be a great project to bring this ol' piece back to life.

If it were mine I'd look at finding a replacement shoulder stock to convert it back to a proper rifle. Especially if the barrel and magazine tube are not cut down TOO far.

[missionary5155]

Good morning
I would rebuild it. It is a fun project and you will learn alot about how the system works. I have 3 origonal 1892's in 44WCF (44-40). They are fun carbines to shot. Average weight is about 5 1/2 pounds so easy to haul about all day. The 44 WCF is a fine cartrige to hunt with. Had one out yesterday (1907 vintage) and ran my last 20 rounds through it. With the proper sized boolit and a descent bore they will shoot golf ball clover leafs at 25 yards.
Sounds to me a previous owner(s) have "worn out" the hammer notch and or the sear. Could be as simple as alot of crud build up. But all is repairable.
Mike in ILL

[HighHook]

I look at that good ole 92 like a fun project. When she gets some replacement parts put back on her the other part of the fun project begins. If that old receiver could speak... Uh uh uh

[bob208]

i was going to say hog killing gun. but most of them i have seen were .22. it could be some ones idea of a trap line gun that they never finished.

i think this one would fall into duke's thread about rebuilding a beater winchester. i would agree on that move with this example.

[Idaho Mule]

That is prime for a rebuild. No collector value to worry about ruining. Those little 1892's are handy to have and loads of fun to shoot. Sure hope you didn't destroy it. JW

[TXGunNut]

Looks like a fun place to start but here in the US I'd lose the cut down parts. A firearm built as a rifle has minimum dimensions, a firearm built as a handgun doesn't have to meet those minimums. Even without those restrictions I'd look at it for what it could (and should) become. As Mike pointed out it's repairable, as long as the receiver is sound.
Go for it and keep us posted.

[Jack Stanley]

I'd agree with losing all the cut down parts but saving the rest of it . If you're a trading kind of guy watching for any parts to put it back together would be worth your time when you got it all done . I'm rather partial to the -20 cartridges for this type but any of them would be great .

There are lots of good reasons to make it a 32-20 .

Jack

[herbert buckland]

Turning a 44-40 92 into a 32-20 involves replacing the bolt and extractor + the cartridge guide rails,much eaiser to leave it a 44-40 or a 38-40

[pietro]

Turning a 44-40 92 into a 32-20 involves replacing the bolt and extractor + the cartridge guide rails,much eaiser to leave it a 44-40 or a 38-40

Not to mention the diameter differences between .38/.44 & .25/.32 in magazine tube and (more importantly) the magazine throat (hole) bored through the front receiver wall, under the barrel hole.


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[Jack Stanley]

OK , I'd go with easy then .

Jack

[John Taylor]

There are two frames for the 1892, the 25-20 and 32-20 has thicker sides and can not be converted to the larger calibers, and I suppose it would be hard to convert a large caliber frame to the small calibers. I make new barrels for the 92 quite often but can not send them to Canada. Stock is no problem, takes the same wood as a 94 which you can get from Brownells or Midway

[zuke]

Your giving me idea's on rebuilding this receiver instead of just selling it off.
But I need everything in front of the receiver and wood to go with it.
Can it be done? yes,but how much would it cost?

[KCSO]

1992 parts check GPC and cut their price by half and that's what it will sell for on the open market.

[Jack Stanley]

Cost would be dependent on how good you come out on the trades you find . If you make this a long term project and not a rush it together rifle you may come out OK . If you are putting it together with the idea of big resale value you may be disappointed . So how often do you come across old usable parts ?

If you like lever rifles you could really enjoy putting it together then using it .

Jack

[6pt-sika]

Your giving me idea's on rebuilding this receiver instead of just selling it off.
But I need everything in front of the receiver and wood to go with it.
Can it be done? yes,but how much would it cost?

Sell it whole or parted out !

By the time you got what you needed for a semi decent rebuild you'd more then likely have about 4 times more then what you could sell the finished product for .

[zuke]

That's what I've been thinking.

[BCRider]

Zuke, the question is if the action is complete. And if it isn't then what is missing.


As for wood don't sweat it. Win '92 wood will fit even if it comes from Rossi or some other clone maker from Italy.

Up this way in Canuck land the word of the day is "patience". It may take some time to source a suitable barrel and tube magazine in .44-40, .44Spl or Mag, or .45Colt. But it CAN be done if you can wait it out.

[TXGunNut]

I guess a careful evaluation and inventory is in order. Looks like a fun project for some folks, trading material to others. Just need to decide where you stand.

[NMLRA Guy]

Good 92s are not cheap but you will have a shooter, not a collector when finished. Look at the price of some of the Winchester clones, used and you'll have a good idea what it'll bring when done...unless you go all out for the restoration and mebbe get half what it cost plus your time involved. On the other hand, these guys are right, it IS a fun gun and will take a lot of Canadian game cleanly in the .44-40 caliber.

[NMLRA Guy]

It'd make a nice rifle for you but don't expect to make money on the project.

[rainierrifleco]

looks to be an origonal "wanted dead or alive" rifle.

92s are like classic cars, worth more in pieces than whole...