Another of the whats the best mold questions

[41 mag fan]

Going to go pick up my Marlin 45-70 tomorrow, and am wanting to buy a mold to start out also.
Figure this might be one of those, someday take it elk or moose hunting so forth.

But I'm looking at buying a mold from Accurate or Noe, if Al's got any listed for sale, or begrudgingly a Lee as a last resort.

Just looking for what people have considered to be the best experience they've had, grain and boolit profile wise.

Thanks for any info you can throw my way.

P.S. thanks to my evil eyed wife, we went to the Bingo hall tonite, and she won $1200, split it with me, so theres my Marlin and a new mold!!

[Bigslug]

My pop has been loading the RCBS 405 gas check in his new (Remington manufactured) Marlin, and has found it to be a very accurate slug.

[runfiverun]

that would be a hard one to beat.
i have used the magma engineering 405gr plain base with good results
and the lee 435 gr gas check t/l has been my go to recently.
with 24.5 grs of 2400 with and without dacron.
your barells froove diameter is going to dictate your boolit diameter.
i size to 459 but many have needed 461 or so.

[41 mag fan]

Thanks for the input, RFR....that tumble lube Lee have deep enough grooves to lube thru a LAM? Depending on the bore when I slug it of course.

[MtGun44]

+1 on RCBS 405 GC - very accurate in my Marlin GG over 57 gr WW748 with mag primer, 1750 fps.

Bill

[alrighty]

I myself recently picked up a Marlin 45/70 , luckily I have been planning this purchase for a while.Everybody seems to like the RCBS .There is a group buy that recently closed but haven't been shipped out yet.I know you didn't mention Miha but you may want to keep an eye on this one.I am sure he will run a few extras if he couldn't get you on the list.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?133289-462-Hammer-GC-Mihec-Cramer-HP&highlight=462

[41 mag fan]

Thanks Alrighty. Yes i did leave off Miha and i ought to be stood in the corner for that one!!

Right now, Tom at Accurate, is making me up a mold, it's in his catalog, but i'm wanting to see what the standard groove will look like, but in the catalog its 46-425R.

Might have to look at Mihas too...works of art from them both with brass molds.

[runfiverun]

it might take lube from a sizer.
if you got one that poured big enough to size the ridges flat it would hold lube just fine.
i'm thinking about running mine through the stars and seeing about just lubing the bottom 2 grooves [groove and gas check shank]
i could modify a lube to be slippery enough easily that that would be plenty of lube.
i have just been using my version of 45/45/10 lube or the origional 3 and 1 lube that helped kick off the 45 lube.
it fills the grooves just fine.
it's pretty hard to find a mold that doesn't work well in the 45-70 up into the holy jebus recoil level.
you could also look at ranch-dogs sight and see if he has any of his marlin specific molds still.

[btroj]

I have a few moulds and keep going back to a 460420 flat more group buy Lee mould. With 24 gr of 2400 it shoots very well and is comfortable to shoot too.

I have shot deer with the 350 and 425 RD moulds along with the NOE 350 version. Two bears took a dislike to the 460420 Lee group buy and H322.

It is hard to miss with something in the 400 to 430 gr region and 24 gr or so of 2400.

[Ben]

Anyone have experiences with this NOE design that they can share.
I plan to use it in the 45/70 also.

http://noebulletmolds.com/orders/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42&products_id=277&osCsid=ub2bodou2gjeksot0bbgcdds46

I'd be using this bullet on white-tailed deer with something like
24 grs. of 2400 .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Capture4_zpsf4f2a1f6.jpg

[runfiverun]

no experience with the mold.
but i can third the 24 grs of 2400 load.
i use it with and without a tuft of dacron and on either 400 or the above mentioned 435 gr boolits.
that looks like a real deep hollowpoint there.

[runfiverun]

41:
that 425r is almost exactly what i am using.
the lee and it are very,very similar.
i think it or the ones on either side of it would do well for hunting type ranges.
it should feed good, and do very well with the load me brad and ben have discussed.
http://www.accuratemolds.com/catalog.php?page=9
this is the mold i'm talking about.

[btroj]

I shot a nice buck 3 years ago with that bullet Ben. I almost lost the deer. Hollow point was cast too hard and was driven too fast. Bullet blew up in the shoulder bade as shot was from above at about 75 yards. I found the base of the bullet in the neck, I was far shorter than it was in diameter. Luckily someone else saw the deer run into heavy cover and he anchored it for me.

Bullet shot very well. Very easy to find good loads for. Mine is a 3 cav with 1 hollow pointed.

I used an allow harder than COWW and droe them over 1600 fps. A recipe for disaster with that big hollow point. I would today cast them much softer and use a load like 24 gr of 2400 for 1350 fps or so.

I think you will like that bullet Ben. I know I do.

[41 mag fan]

Thanks for all the input. It's very much appreciated.
I'm looking at the 46-425Q. I asked Tom if he could do one similar to the Lee, but with deeper lube grooves and a GC, as I like to push the limits and feel some ooomph to the load.
I'm also looking at the 46-405A or the 46-405R. Just not for sure which I'm wanting to try on it.
Any imput on thoe 405gr's I'd sure appreciate.


Ben,
I'd like to hear your results using those hollow points.

[btroj]

I have driven a 420 plain base to over 1600 fps with no problems. 46 gr of H322 did the trick. I have no issue with gas checks iris just tha I shoot many more lower end loads and don't want the extra expense where it isn't needed. I have pretty well decided that if I can't get it done with a 410 at 1400 fps then I don't need to do the job.

[41 mag fan]

I have driven a 420 plain base to over 1600 fps with no problems. 46 gr of H322 did the trick. I have no issue with gas checks iris just tha I shoot many more lower end loads and don't want the extra expense where it isn't needed. I have pretty well decided that if I can't get it done with a 410 at 1400 fps then I don't need to do the job.

That's true....this is just a new gun, new caliber, and my evil eyed old battle axe other half, says I'm OCD when I get a new toy....she might be right!
Being a new gun, and the go ahead from the evil one, I'm looking at what everyone finds to work, and looking at sometime, this gun might go for an elk or bear or moose.
Maybe if it shoots right and I don't take my 300 Win Mag.

[btroj]

I shot 2 black bears in Canada with the 420 plain base and 46 gr of H322. Both bears proved to dislike the results strongly.
I have shot the 425 RD at upwards of 1850. It just stops being fun to shoot.
See if NOE has any 425 RD available. It would be a great bullet. The 405 RCBS has a strong following too.

Looking at Accurate website I would say the 46 425q is very similar to my plain base group buy mould. I don't think you would go wrong with that mould at all. It would do very well for anything on this continent and most stuff on other continents too.

[runfiverun]

it is pretty hard to go wrong with the only caliber that has been wrung out every which way longer than the 30-06,and 45 acp.
i had a decent 405gr government copy at one time i swapped off for a pair of molds, one that works very very well in my 8 mauser and in my 32 win both.
and one for my 41 mag [cough,hmmphh,cough]
i had made up a big batch of bullets at one time and have finally shot all of them.
at 1400 fps the plain base was accurate and it was just like having a really heavy 44 mag on tap just with a lot of plusses.

[btroj]

That is how I view my 45-70 too Run. I have a Marlin in 45 Colt that can be loaded up to give some awesome ballistics. I just like knowing that the 45-70 doesn't break a sweat doing more than the Colt can do stoked to the gills.

That 420 and 24 gr of 2400 is just so darn easy on the shooter and accurate too. 2 inch groups at 100 off the bench are not a big deal for 5 rounds. Shooting 50 or more in an outing isn't a big deal.

Biggest problem with that load is that I forget how heavy other loads recoil. I have been cut by the scope a couple times because I fail to hold on tight with heavier loads.

[Ben]

Anyone have experiences with this NOE design that they can share.
I plan to use it in the 45/70 also.

http://noebulletmolds.com/orders/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42&products_id=277&osCsid=ub2bodou2gjeksot0bbgcdds46

I'd be using this bullet on white-tailed deer with something like
24 grs. of 2400 .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/haysb/Capture4_zpsf4f2a1f6.jpg


I already own the 457122 HP, do you think that I'd gain very much buying the quite similar NOE mold ?

The NOE mold has a g/c the 122' doesn't , however the remainder of the bullet styling and weight are very similar.

Here is the 122' HP mold ( Gould )

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[btroj]

I have both moulds. My Gould only throws a .457 bullet so I don't use it much.

I like the shape of the RD more than I do the Gould. I really like that nose tapering into the full diameter portion in Marlins. I think it helps center things up and makes for more accurate shooting.

I would get the RD if you can afford to. I like it as a flat nose as much as I like the HP. Got a deer with the "original" RD 350 before I got the NOE. It shot very well for me. I just wanted the standard grooves.

[Ben]

btroj

Thanks,....now to count my " pennies " and see if I've got the funds to get the mold.

Ben

[Old Caster]

I have one of these new in the box Saeco #017 molds for $80 plus shipping if you want it.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/176802/saeco-2-cavity-magnum-bullet-mold-017-45-caliber-458-459-diameter-350-grain-flat-nose-gas-check