Which machine two 650's or one Super 1050...

[cundiff5535]

Ok, I am thinking of selling my 2 Dillon 650 machines and buying a super 1050. I have everything I would need for the 650's if I break down so, there is never waiting on Dillon to send stuff. Probably 6 quick swaps with dies etc. Really as loaded a set up for 650's as you can have.

Is it worth it to sell the 650's and get 1 1050 with quick swaps and all? I load ALOT and seems that I could get a lot more done if I make the change.

Thoughts??

[angus6]

Love my 1050, had a 550 and 650 next to it and they just set unused so now they are gone

On change overs unless you have to have complete individual kits check out the conversion charts, I load 8 calibers and only have 4 complete conversion along with 3 extra parts. Tool-heads have 3 but leave one with a case trimmer and usally just swap dies on 1 head, using Hornady lock rings makes it a simple quick deal.

[LUBEDUDE]

1050's really grow on ya. I love mine so much I got another. I rarely use my 550 either. I'm considering a third 1050. For ME, I see no use for a 650, other than lifetime warranty.

[seagiant]

1050's really grow on ya. I love mine so much I got another. I rarely use my 550 either. I'm considering a third 1050. For ME, I see no use for a 650, other than lifetime warranty.
Hi Lube,
Hope your doing well! Twins! You and Roundnoser know how to hurt a guy!!!

[rockrat]

The 1050 is such a smoother machine to operate. It is a much greater pain to change shellplates though, thats why I have both. Sell one of your 650's and get a 1050. You could load 223's on the 650, with small primers, and use the 1050 with large primers and a 308 casehead plate so you can load 45acp/308/30-06, ect.

[angus6]

Man if a 1050 was within the budget I can't see the shellplate change being enough to turn to a 650, the priming on the 1050 is so much nicer to

[jmorris]

I have at least one of all the different Dillons on the same bench, there just isn't a "best". I also like the idea of two of them. Keeping one set up for large and the other for small primers can save quite a bit of time.


I prefer the priming system on the 650. No plastic tip on the primer tube and no rubber on a primer slide to mess up.

[cundiff5535]

I have at least one of all the different Dillons on the same bench, there just isn't a "best". I also like the idea of two of them. Keeping one set up for large and the other for small primers can save quite a bit of time.


I prefer the priming system on the 650. No plastic tip on the primer tube and no rubber on a primer slide to mess up.


Exactly how I have mine set up.. one large primer system, one small primer system. I really like them but, I think I am going to end up selling them both with accessories... Ill probably get the machine and all the gear I need. After some brass sales, Ill probably get another 1050... but, that will not be for a while. Now I just gotta sell my 650's etc

[LUBEDUDE]

Howdy Seagiant! I'm hanging in there. Now talking about hurting a guy, looking a jmorris's Dillon bench is Killer! He should change his moniker to MR DILLON!

How about a current pic Mr Morris?

[rasto]

Do not even thing about it and buy it :-)
As was stated previously sell one 650 and buy 1050.
Santa knows what we need :-)

http://img.janforman.com/th/IMG4930resizef3r6.JPG (http://img.janforman.com/IMG4930resizef3r6.JPG)

[Doc Highwall]

I have two 550B's one set up for small primers and one for large primers and my 650 is set up for small primers.

Not having a 1050 I can not say anything about them other then what I have heard or read here.

[jmorris]

How about a current pic Mr Morris?

It's all crammed into my small reloading room now. I did drill and tap the table for the other presses stored underneath. So if I need a different press on the bench it's only 4 socket head cap screws (3 in the case of the SD's to swap them out.

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/IMAG1256.jpg

[old_haidouk]

I have one of each. I d say two 650's beat a 1050 hands down. Unless you really need to swage Military primer pockets on your press.

[garym1a2]

I would think it depends on how much you load and how many calibers. Plus whats your time worth. For only a few thousand rounds a year its a waste. For 50k a year you may need one as a 650 is worth 700-800 rounds per hour and a 1050 is an extra 400 per hour. So a faster machine will save you maybe 20 hours of work per year at 50k.

[LUBEDUDE]

Thanks for the pic jmorris!

Sure looks clean, awesome and professional.

Love it!

[prs]

jmorris! How can you function in all that neatness? I can't find a thing unless its in the clutter.

;-)

prs

[LUBEDUDE]

jmorris! How can you function in all that neatness? I can't find a thing unless its in the clutter.

;-)

prs

I can relate!

My brother was just in from out of town. While my shop does look like a grenade went off, I mentioned to him that it IS organized for ME. Well he just rolled his eyes.:roll: Later, I let him load on my 1050 and he turned my decapping stem assembly into an "S" shape.:groner: I just reached under the bench without moving a step or even looking and pulled out a brand new Dillon decapping assembly. And I said " And you think I'm not organized".

He didn't say a word.

[jmorris]

jmorris! How can you function in all that neatness? I can't find a thing unless its in the clutter.


Oh, you didn't see my old bench.


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/reloading/DSC02298.jpg


See that little blob of scalp and hair at the bottom left by the SD, in post #12. That belongs to the joy that made me put away everything I don't want everywhere. Also the reason to complete the computer controlled 1050.

No worries, she'll be a helper before we know it.

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/cabinet/arm/DSC02403.jpg

[W.R.Buchanan]

Start em young, teach em right.

Randy

[runfiverun]

i have 4 550's,a 450, and a 650 set up right now.
i think i'd way rather have the 1050 than the 650.
i modified my 650's primer arm [took the spring out and broke off that little tab] so i have to manually re-set it each time which really saves me a lot of aggravation. [and chasing unseated primers that are not now shot onto the floor]
the 650 is not any faster than the 550's once you get the swing of them.
even with a case feeder on the 650.
maybe it's because i have 3 ponsess warrens plus the 450/550's set-up and i am so used to making the same motions over and over.

i see the primer tube filler on that bench too.
that's probably the biggest time saver ever invented for reloading right there.
i use mine to fill the tubes on my bench mounted priming tool too.

[Mike Kerr]

Informative Thread.

You did not define "shoot a lot" as to rounds per month or per year. Without that information its hard to refine a thought process except to say how much volume you can crank out really depends on net reloading time - so how much change over, fixit, and prep time [smilie=b: can change the answer significantly.

regards,

:smile:

[jmorris]

You did not define "shoot a lot" as to rounds per month or per year. I don't shoot as many matches as I once did but still go through 20k a year in pistol ammo for matches.

[rodsvet]

Darn! I wish I had the good luck you guys seem to have with Dillons. My 650 has been a pain in rear from the start. It has never been aligned and eats brass and primers like there was no tomorrow. I bought this press the first year they came out and it has never gone through one loading session with a lot of hiccups. No, it is not human error. I've been reloading and shooting for 40 years. Dillon always send me parts as they break and do to the alignment issues that seems often. They sent me an alignment tool which did nothing, but it was nice of them. I think the casting/machining has never been correct. I'm going to send it in and see if they think it is worth trying to fix. It sucks when I can load better and faster on a Rockchucker. Rod

[Mike Kerr]

J. Morris wrote:
"I don't shoot as many matches as I once did but still go through 20k a year in pistol ammo for matches"

With your equipment and mechanical apptitude I would have thought you were still burning thru 35K+.

Like Your condensed bench area - I don't feel as intimidated since you now have hardwood floors and upscale windows - means you had to use that garage for something else - no more inventions we mere mortals have to be jealous of.;)

regards,
:smile::smile::smile:

[runfiverun]

rod:
i would definatly send it in to them.
i had problems running the 650 at first too [heck i could run a lee loadmaster better]
then after watching my dad run his it dawned on me i was running it too gently.
i had to do little tweaks here and there to get it to suit my reloading style,but i still have to just throw the thing around a little to get it to do what i want.
i pretty much set the 650 up for 45 colt and leave it alone anymore.

[rodsvet]

Runfiverun, I have had this machine for 16 or 17 years. I don't baby it but do give it the respect I think all machines deserve. It is out of alignment, but is not adjustable using their alignment tool. It's an early press and I think maybe it was machined wrong in the beginning. After reading some posts earlier this year, I think Dillon may want to not warrant the machine. Seems as though Dillon has maybe rethought their repair policy. I will find out when they return my email. Rod

[LUBEDUDE]

Rod - man that much trouble over that much time...... it would definitely be worth the effort and expense of sending it in, in my book.

Good Luck.

[jmorris]

Rod, if you don't want to mess with it just list it on eBay. It will bring more now than you paid for it 16 or 17 years ago. I tell you what I'll even order you up a new LNL and swap you for it, then you won't even need to list it.