My new TLC432-300-RF is here!!!!

[405 WCF]

Just got my new TLC432-30-RF from Ranch Dog Outdoors.
Very nice mold.
And it drops very nice bullets.
I made a "dummy" round, just to see what O.A.L my rifle will chamber.
Just over 2.56 in is perfect in my rifle.
This bullet is a winner.
Tomorrow I will start the loading.
I guess that I will load that bullet to around 2200 fps out of my 22 in barrel.
This will be my NO1 moose bullet this fall.

Thank you RD for a good mold.

[405 WCF]

Forgot to say that they weigh 305 grs with GC when cast out of pure WW.

[Ranch Dog]

Good to hear it made the journey so quick! Keep me posted with your load work and I will look forward to a picture of you, your dog, 444, and moose!

[chasw]

I too shoot 300 grainers in my .444 with its Douglas barrel with 1in24 twist. My own mold is a semi-wadcutter design from NEI. Very accurate but the shoulder hangs up in the mouth of the chamber so I can't use it. Instead, I've been buying a commercial cast LBT design (LCMN) from Beartooth Bullets. I use a Lee "factory" crimp a little bit beyond the start of the cone. Works great with pet loads at 1350 and 1750 fps. The former is a pussycat load, the latter is getting up near my comfort limit. I shudder to think of what the recoil would be like at 2200 fps. I know how to do it with a hefty charge of RL7, but I just can stand the recoil pain from my 8 lb Marlin lever. - CW

[405 WCF]

A picture can tell more than thousand words!!

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n245/405WCF/Liteavvarje224.jpg

[405 WCF]

Forgot to say that the 5-shot grop is shot at 55 yards with scope.
Allso forgot to say that I used Federal magnum primer.

[405 WCF]

If the estimated BC is .3144 this is how it looks.
Calculated ballistic data

Muzzle velocity: 2254 fps
Bullet weight: 305 grs
Ballistic coefficient: .3144
Altitude: 1312 ft
Temp: 65 °F
Sight height: 1 in
Max range: 200 yd
Increment: 25 yd
Zero range: 150 yd


Range Velocity Energy Trajectory Total drop Flight time
0 yd 2254 fps 3440 ft.lbs -1 in 0 in 0 sec
25 yd 2193 fps 3257 ft.lbs 0.38 in 0.22 in 0.034 sec
50 yd 2133 fps 3081 ft.lbs 1.3 in 0.89 in 0.069 sec
75 yd 2074 fps 2913 ft.lbs 1.74 in 2.04 in 0.104 sec
100 yd 2016 fps 2751 ft.lbs 1.7 in 3.68 in 0.141 sec
125 yd 1958 fps 2597 ft.lbs 1.12 in 5.86 in 0.178 sec
150 yd 1902 fps 2449 ft.lbs 0 in 8.57 in 0.217 sec
175 yd 1846 fps 2309 ft.lbs -1.75 in 11.92 in 0.257 sec
200 yd 1793 fps 2176 ft.lbs -4.16 in 15.93 in 0.298 sec


Really a long distance, heavy, and hard hitting big game load.

[VTDW]

Olle,

That is SWEET!!!:drinks: Don't you love it whan a plan comes together?

Dave

[Ranch Dog]

Olle,

Now that you got the rifle tuned up all that is needed is the same for the dog! Moose beware!

http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/TLC432300RF/Ollie Dog Moose.jpg

[Ranch Dog]

If the estimated BC is .3144 this is how it looks.

I've got a bunch loaded up for the actual BC testing this week. I will post my results here later in the week.

Here is an image of the ballistic table as generated by TMT's Precision Ballistics and Records. As you are hunting big critters, I assumed a 5" kill zone and it predicted a Point Blank Range of 225-yards with a maximum range of 265-yards (dropping below 5"). The bullet is delivering an amazing amount of energy and it looks as though you have the MOA to shoot it a good distance.

http://www.ranchdogmolds.com/TLC432300RF/Ollie Ballistic Chart.jpg

[405 WCF]

A fantastic bullet!! That is all I can say!
You are the king of cast bullets for the 444 Marlin Michael.
Tomorrow morning I will take my friends Chrono and check the load, becouse, I think that I got very high velocity with that moderat 47 grs load.
48 grs n130 behind Speer's 300 gr bullet give me 2180 fps out of my 22 in barrel, so I got a little suprised that 47 grs of the same gave my 2254 fps with your bullet.

[Bass Ackward]

After all the leading you went through, Congratulations!!!

[405 WCF]

Well, the leading problem was with my 405, and it's still there! :(
I really dont know what to do with that rifle.
But my good old 444 always do what she's supposed to do! :)

[Ranch Dog]

Well, the leading problem was with my 405, and it's still there! :( I really dont know what to do with that rifle.

Any chance of you sending me a chamber casting from that rifle? I've got the basics for a RD TLC414-300-RF from what we discussed but I just have no experience with the 405WCFs so I'm a little "shy" of the design and would not commit to it without the casting.

[405 WCF]

RD! First of all, I really dont know how to do a chamber casting.
But if you tell me how to, I will do it and send it to you.

Todays test with the TLC432-300 RF was only a velocitytest.
My friend was not at home, so I could not take his chrono, so I loaded some 300 gr Speer, just to have something to compare with.
I know that 47.5 grs behind the Speer bullet is around 2165 fps, so first of all I shot that one over the chrono.
I got 2185 fps.
Than I shot five rounds with the RD bullet, and I got 2234 fps average velocity.
Maby my chrono is 20 fps to fast, ( if I look at the Speer load).
After that i shot five rounds over the chrono with my neighbur's new XLR.
Average velocity with his rifle was 2277 fps.

[405 WCF]

Forgot to say that the loads I shot today was with CCI standard primer.

[Ranch Dog]

Velocity is going to vary with temperature so I don't think I would discount the difference as an error that is why the ambient temperature should always be recorded with your temperature. For this bullet, in this velocity range, you could expect to see about 1.8 FPS for every degree of temperature change (F°) from a given temperature (3.7 FPS/C°). Temperatures above the baseline temperature would be faster and those below would be slower. These figures are for temperatures between 40° to 90°F (5° to 30°C).

The boolit is going to be faster than the Gold Dot but just an 11°F (12°C) temperature increase from when your original data was recorded would be reflected in the 20 FPS velocity increase. The baseline velocities would need to be taken from shot strings of at least ten shots to make the error assumptions and then I would still discount it because standard deviations of that range are not uncommon. I mean, on a given day, two 10-shot strings of ammo loaded at the same time with the same components could give this difference.

The chamber casting takes a bit to accomplish and I like disassembling the rifle down to the basic frame before it is done. What is the exact model of your rifle?

[405 WCF]

My 405 is an old original Winchester mod 1895.
It's manufactured in early 1920.

[Ranch Dog]

Thanks, let me see if I can find one locally.

[muskeg13]

405 WCF: Nice elghund. Have you given up on your 405? I'm working on moose loads using the RCBS 416 mould and was hoping to hear that you had finally cracked the code. Although listed as a 350gr, mine average 363 with the alloy I'm using (ww&tin). My 1895 is one of the newer Japanese made ones. I've had good results with jacketed bullets and commercial cast lead loads. Some of the lead loads have exceeded 1900fps without leading, but those bullets are only 325 gr, are hard as a rock, and I didn't cast them.

[405 WCF]

I have NOT given up on my 405!!!
If things falls together, the 405 will be ready before the first monday in September, when the moose hunt starts.
I have thought about firelapping, but I have no fast burning pistolpowder, so, right now, my thoughts are with handlapping.
When I slug the barrel, I can feel a tight spot about were the rear sight is sitting.
All the leading is infront of that spot, so I think that there is were I have the problem.

[leftiye]

405, Chamber casts aren't hard. There are a lot of threads here on how to do them. Not to give you any hassle though. The reason I mention this is there may be the solution to your leading with the 1886/405 to be found in the chamber dimensions. You already seem to know how to measure (slug) a barrel, and if you are fitting boolits to the barrel, and if you don't have any rough bore or other problems, the answer to your leading may be in the chamber/throat/leade dimensions.

You may be right about the tight spot causing the leading. If the tight spot sizes the boolit down enough, then flame cutting could happen right after that- with accompanying leading. I posted the above before I saw this last post. I'd still do the chamber casts though, who knows what you might find?