Slower than mud moving uphill

[Jack Stanley]

I've been out shopping this evening looking at different inventories to locate a new rifle the wife told me to pick out . The Cabelas site must be frozen over for the winter so I thought maybe I'd research CZ rifles . Now the czusa site makes Cabelas seem like a speed demon ... Christmas may come before the site loads up :mad:

Jack

[KCSO]

Thank Black Friday internet sales.

[Jon K]

Jack,

I noticed it's slow all over...sometimes you can hit the refresh button, after it seems like it's taking too long, and it will load right away.

Jon

[Shepherd2]

I visit the cz-usa site frequently and I've never noticed it being slow. Not the best designed site by far but not slow. Might just be cyber Monday shoppers.

[Jack Stanley]

Do any of you guys have an insight to to their production ideas ? What I did get out of their site was they used to make a 22 magnum but not in the "new" model . I've seen a couple of different right handed models and like them , but if I'm going to spend that kind of money I'd kind of like to have the bolt on my side .

Are ya listening CZ?[smilie=s:

Jack

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Jack,

Not a .22 mag fan here, the cost of ammo being too close to centerfire ammo.

Look for a CZ 452. They have a great rep for groups!

Check out Rimfire Central for lots of info.

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[soli]

Last month I needed some mags. for a CZ,could not get the cz site to stayup to order,so I ordered from Midway.

[Jack Stanley]

You may just have the tip of the week there Crusty . I may have to sign up on that board and start watching that sale page too . I went back to the CZ site again a couple days ago early morning thinking it might respond better .... nope , it just wasn't going to happen . I like the looks and feel of the CZ rifles but if I'm going to spend that kind of money for a rifle It should have a bolt on the side I want . I visited a gun store over on the west side of the the state and they had one of the Ruger bolt actions . It was twenty-two magnum , lamintated stock and that gray whatya callit finish . Seven hundred fifty bucks and it fit me pretty nice even without sights on it . I haven't bought a Ruger firearm since Bill Sr. stopped selling extended magazines to Americans . But if it had the bolt on the left side I would have laid the money down and tried it out .

The more I look , the more I'm thinking I'll end up with a T-bolt before this is over .

Jack

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Ah haaaaa, Jack,

I see that you like my left handed brother-in-law are one of those guys with, No Rights.

At least that's what I tell Fred!

CDOC

[Griz44mag]

All the gun sites are super slow cause the socialist commie b-tards are scanning everyone that visits them and marking them for future Gestapo style raids.

[Jack Stanley]

Awwww Griz quit .......... you know they got drones that already know who ya are . I'd just like to have one nice bolt rifle in 22 magnum for people in their right mind . I can use one with the bolt on the other side but c'mon manufacturers at ten percent of us are like this .

Maybe Bobs or Jays will have a lefty T-bolt on the shelf .

Jack

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Come on Jack, don't ya know lefties don't have no rights? ;):p

CDOC

[Jack Stanley]

Come on Jack, don't ya know lefties don't have no rights? ;):p

CDOC

I know , you are so correct , gun makers probably figure with only ten or twenty percent of the population being in their right mind why bother to supply their wants too .

In looking for left hand bolt actions I came across a Cooper model fifty-seven I think it was . HO-LEE COW !!! thirty-eight HUNDRED bucks per copy . I don't mind spending a little cash now and again but I don't know that I could walk in that yard . I'm thinking Browning T-bolt while they still make them in left hand version .

Jack

Speaking of slow this is the third time I've tried to post this note [smilie=b:

[Jack Stanley]

Well !!!!........... now THAT worked well huh? :killingpc

Jack

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

"Right Mind," now that is funny Jack. You can bet I'll never tell my left handed brother-in-law.

I just left it with him that lefties ain't got no rights!

Now, a Cooper, oh my oh my slobber slobber slobber.

Looked at them, slobber slobber slobber, when I was looking for a great shooting .22 and before I bought my CLARK CUSTOM 77/22 which filled the bill quite nicely.

It is of course made for the right shooters! ;)

CDOC

[Bren R.]

I've got a buddy that comes out to shoot here and there... and keep forgetting to take my target grips off and put the ambidextrous grips on for him.

I refer to him being a south paw as "shooting with the devil's hand" :P

Bren R.

[Jack Stanley]

Now mind you I will use a right handed model , I'll even shoot it from the right hand side sometimes . But if I'm going to spend five hundred plus dollars for a bolt action rifle , it really oughta have a left side bolt option at the least ! I really like the CZ and hey even after the poor results I've had from Rugers . If Ruger had that bolt action magnum with the laminated stock and gray finshed metal in a left hand option . I'd even waive my "Pay on acceptance" policy I have with them and just buy it .

But then I'm only what ... part of the ten percent ?

Jack

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Jack, Buy a RUGER #1, they even work for folks with out rights :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Plus the cool factor is out of sight!

CDOC

[Jack Stanley]

Jack, Buy a RUGER #1, they even work for folks with out rights :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Plus the cool factor is out of sight!

CDOC
Ya know ............. I have always liked the number one and I still think it is a very classy rifle . What has stopped me from laying down the cash for one of them is the Ruger number three . I had one chambered in .223 Remington once upon a time . It was just soooooo accurate that I shot a fly on purpose once . The down side was it would never , ever , even if you threatened it , shoot to the same point of aim as the day before . Each time you took it out you had to resight the rifle . That rifle is why I didn't scoop up a deal on a hornet and a 45/70 a while back . They do have a cool factor but also a headache factor too .

Ya know I'd even pay a company to make a rifle right ..........the first time . It's just I don't really want the cool factor that comes with the Cooper . It's too bad the Browning doesn't fit my frame as well as the Ruger rimfire , also to bad that CZ or Kimber isn't in the market for the money us guys with no rights got !

Jack

[Jack Stanley]

Jack, Buy a RUGER #1, they even work for folks with out rights :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Plus the cool factor is out of sight!

CDOC
A lotta cool in a number one for sure , I've seriously thought about buying one but a very poor experience with a number three has stopped me from buying Ruger single shots .

Ya know ............. I'd even pay a company to make it right , just not Coopers version of right :mrgreen:

Jack

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Jack,

Had kind of a thing for the #3, but felt it needed the wood replaced. Hated that wood!!!! That butt stock looked like it came out of a hog lot. YUK!!!!!!!!!!

Also that barrel band is a problem just waiting for a place to lite!

I have never had the problem you speak of with the number 1s. In fact the oldest son just recently sent me an image of a target shot with one of my past 270 in a #1B and it like the 300win mag., I also used to own before I gave it to him, are really great shooters. Good enough to be sending images of the targets.

Every #1 I have ever had, clear back to the first 7mag were good.

However, In hunting rifles along with bullets of high quality/integrity I also come down really hard on first shot consistancy!

Not that any of my #1s have ever had a problem in that department, but likely for the last 20 years or more, every hunting rifle I use, #1s included is floated. It is just standard operating prodeedure for all my hunting rifles.

The hoky barrel band on the #3 would not lend itself to this, and would be replaced if the rifle passed through my hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

I hear ya Jack!

And no offense intended to the #3 lovers, but that wood and barrel band on the "3" was like dragging around a fence post all day, besides the ugly factor.

CDOC

[Jack Stanley]

I worked with a guy who claims he had a number one , also claimed he could shoot the eyelashes off a gnat at five hunnert yards . Now , one thing is certain , I never saw the rifle or the gnat species in question and I never saw this guy shoot so I really can't say .

The only number one I fired was a .458 Winchester just for the "experience" . If they work so much better being free floated it'd be reasonably to think that Ruger would do this before they turn loose of it . Ruger makes some classy rifles for sure and if I didn't have to work on them after I bought them . I'd be inclined to patronize their product line a lot more . Should they consider putting the bolt on my side in that twenty-two magnum line I'd probably take a chance . It's a safe bet they won't so if Savage doesn't replace my 93 that had the separation . I'll probably write it off as a loss and look at the T-bolt .

Jack

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Morn'in Jack,

Hope it's as nice a day were your at as it is here this beautiful CHRISTmas morning. To quote the wife, "picture post card perfect."

Didn't say the #1 always shot better floated, the ones I had before that time in my life shot great. However, having also come to the point where first shot consistancy is a big thing for me, floating and in some cases glass bedding is just something that happens to all my hunting rifles, #1s included.

Have never seen a floated rifle shoot worse then before floating, but have seen them shoot lots better after floating!

Now, the old school of gun smiths and shooters is always big on having barrel pressure on the forend. AND, I WILL NOT lay any money out that if enough testing and trials are done it might improve a rifles grouping.

HOWEVER, for formal target shooting where you are allowed "sighters" before the match begins, this is fine as adjustments to sights or sight picture can be made before shooting for record.

BUT, and this is a really big "BUT", in the field while hunting, there are no sighters allowed. For that reason, I'd make the trade off of a possibly slightly larger group, to know that the first and following shots have not been effected by the rain that came through last night or the month long hot an dry spell just before hunting season.

RUGER, on their #1 and many of their other rifles follows the old practice of forend barrel pressure. In fact the instructions with the RUGER Hawkeye 300win mag I bought a few years back said not to float the barrel - I did anyway and the rifle shoots fantasticly well.

If they were to not do so, there would be all kinds of crying from those who come down that way, but get this, the NEW RUGER American comes floated!!!!!!.

I'm sure RUGER was placing their bets on having this low end rifle shoot very well, and from the reports I've read, seems they called it correctly.

I'll be finding out as soon as the testing begins on my new RUGER American 30/06, "loaner rifle."

Hope everyone has a great and blessed day!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[Jack Stanley]

The deer I've hunted might just have been stupid enough to allow sighters . The woodchucks around here however have a hard and fast rule of only allowing one shot per customer . You and I both know what the most important shot of the group is when hunting .

The little Savage rifle I had got tested with many different types of ammo to find the one that was consistant every time I took it out . Compared to the Rugers it looked a bit like a factory made zip gun but it had it where it counted .

I sure don't have a problem with buying classy rifles but I do like them to be more than just a pretty face . Above all , consistant every day , week , month , season ......... that reminds me I haven't shot my Kimber 84 since it plastered that chuck this last spring . Egad .... why didn't I buy a left hand 22 magnum when they were still in Clackamas ???

Jack

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Well Jack, even if you don't have, "any rights" too bad your not closer here, sounds like it would be fun to meet over some bacon eggs and hashbrowns.

An area place, the Breakfast Club by name has bacon to die for and another forum fellow and I met there this past Saturday for a first face to face.

Interesting.

The "Idaho Mule" brought a really interesting cartridge and rifle to the meet. The cartridge is an "almost 45/70" and the rifle is a Military rolling block. Long barreled thing, but the bore is really bright and cherry.

He said he had shot 45/70 in the gun, but the case always split. He was at a gun show, saw a like rifle and the fellow at the table gave him a correct cartridge which is just a tad bit larger then the 45/70 in dia.

He is in the process of forming brass from 348 Winchester, but can use standard 45/70 cast boolits.

Anyway, you'd really like that bacon!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[Jack Stanley]

A very long time ago I drove nearly a hundred miles to an Italian restaurant on the east side of our state . I do believe taking a drive to I-dee-ho would be a new record for me . I have driven some crazy distance for gun shows but I bet not even close to what you guys west of the big muddy travel for a decent show . I found a great steakhouse just north of Shepardsville KY visiting a good show . Went to the Indy show once but didn't want to play the traffic for food thing .

I've thought about meeting up with a feller not terrible far west of me but being in the retired stage of life little projects kept nagging for attention . So as a result I still haven't got it done yet . To the good side of the ledger though a member of another forum who drives truck was passing nearby so when he hit town I drove him to lunch at a local Mom and Pop diner .

Getting together would be fun I bet , some would call it sittin' an' swappin' lies but the fact is ya can't make up stuff like we've seen .

Jack