the flag in my avatar

[Bloodman14]

Gentlemen,
I have received several PMs concerning my display of the upside down Stars and Stripes in my avatar. As you know, this is recognized as an international distress signal. I have been advised to remove or right it as it may be seen as disrespectful or otherwise inflammatory in some way.

The Flag will stay as it is.

This country is in serious trouble, and the members here know it. Mr. Obama ( I refuse to address him by the title of the office he holds )is going to use the next 4 years to ram socialism down our throats. I will not be a party to this outrage, nor will I be a victim of it.

I have drawn my line in the sand, and I will not budge.

[WILCO]

I thought you were leaving?????

[Hamish]

*Bold emphasis mine*

http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/liberty/flagdistress.htm

"The upside down U.S. flag is an official signal of distress. It is not meant to be, and is not officially recognized as any type of disrespect when so displayed for the right reasons. To the contrary, here is the relevant part of the US Code of Laws regarding how to fly the flag when in distress:

THE FLAG CODE
Title 36, U.S.C., Chapter 10
As amended by P.L. 344, 94th Congress
Approved July 7, 1976

§ 176. Respect for flag: No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.


Most individuals who have served in the military service of our nation will (or should) recognize this signal.
As a result of the many traitors and enemies we as a free people have, both foreign and domestic, as a result of the many unconstitutional acts, legislation and atrocities passed and/or committed against US citizens and their life, liberty and property, and as a result of policies that have allowed (and continue to allow) enemies of this nation to enter in large numbers through a porous border policy, I believe the life, liberty and property of US Citizens are in dire danger and distress."

The above is a quote from the link. I personally believe that this country just fell down the two-holer, and that was why I posted the above in the Pit.

Whether or not you believe the flag should be displayed in that manner is purely conjectural at this point. IMO no one has the right to call yea or nay on this one.

[wv109323]

The re-election of BHO has showed me all along that he was truthful about one thing in his first term- The US is no longer a Christian Nation.

[Jim]

Mr. Gunnerd, if your flag is upside down, signaling 'dire distress', what kind of help do you need?

[Trey45]

I just want to clarify something here, NO ONE FROM STAFF HAS CONTACTED HIM TO RIGHT THE FLAG OR REPLACE IT Any PM's he received were from forum members, NOT STAFF.
You have my support 100%.

And I'll tell you something else, if you don't like the upside down flag, you SURE aren't going to like the chinese flag I'll be flying to honor our glorious leader, comrade obama.

[sparky45]

My respect and support as well. I'm not sure this Union will survive another 4 years of this Socialistic nonsense.

[Bloodman14]

I thought you were leaving?????

Not leaving, per se, just taking time to concentrate on my studies. However, my inbox on Yahoo mail had several notifications of PMs at CB, and when I checked, I was compelled to reply on the forum.

I will check in from time to time.

[garbear]

Gunnerd you shoud not have to explain yourself. I support you and many of my friends have changed their profile pictures to the upside down US flag. For me I decided to doulbe my efforts in working for change. Sometimes things have to get much worse for great change to happen. Keep your head down and powder dry. I was discourged for one day but realized that doesn't change anything. We need to regroup and keep trying to change the course of our country.

Garbear

Garbear

[snuffy]

I'm behind you,(got your "6"), 100% Gunnerd!

Now who here has the guts to go hang your OUTDOOR flag upside down? I dunno if I want to attract undue attention to myself, the fewer that know I have what the media would call an arsenal, the better off I am.

Actually I wonder if anyone would notice.[smilie=f::-(

[cdet69]

We can survive another four years. This country will once again prosper and be the nation it was meant to be. We have survived far worse and came out victorious. This will be because people of honor will once again prevail.

[Jal5]

Garbear I feel the same as you do. We need to double down on our efforts to put this country to rights. And yet the upside down flag seems appropriate too! Joe

[hiram1]

I wonder what the pinkos in washington think.That we as real men will just lay down and go with the flow. If thay do im sorry for them.BUT you have to want what you want so bad that you will take what you may get.And that my friends IS the bottom line.

This is a sad day

[Love Life]

We can survive another four years. This country will once again prosper and be the nation it was meant to be. We have survived far worse and came out victorious. This will be because people of honor will once again prevail.

+1,000,000,000.

I understand the meaning behind the upside down flag, and I support it, but I am not in enough distress to hang my flag upside down. I am going to leave it as it should be because I am still strong enough to take care of her, myself, and my family.

If you hang your flag upside down outside be prepared to get knocks on your door from local passersby coming to see if you are ok.

Too many people hanging the flag upside down could turn the distress signal in a "Cry Wolf" issue.

[Dean D.]

With all the problems we face in this country following the recent corrupt elections I fail to see how anyone has time to worry about an AVATAR on a web site.

As a Veteran and member of the VFW I am fully versed in flag etiquitte. I also happen to feel very strongly that our country is under duress by the blatant assaults upon our freedoms by enemies, both foriegn and domestic.

[MakeMineA10mm]

I'm with you Gunnerd!!

This forum needs a "Like" button. I'd have just given many out on this thread.

[41 mag fan]

Gunnerd
Where did you get that avatar? I'd like to change mine to the same as your, as I feel this country is not only on a fiscal cliff but is about to become a nation other than the United States of America.

[Bullet Caster]

Gunnerd, I'm behind you 100 %. I'm a former Marine and Vietnam vet and I, too, know flag etiquet. I don't fly my flags as I haven't found them yet from the move to TN years ago. When I find them I'll gladly display the US and Marine Corps flags, just not upside down, 'cause I'm in no distress except about Obummer winning re-election. I'm VERY distressed about that. BC

[Awsar]

im just glad that people noticed the flag upside down "our" Washington leaders probably wouldn't even give it a 2nd look. unless of course it had a $100 dollar bill on it .
the reason you gave for it being that way is acceptable to me as you mean no disrespect.
there are too few of us who do respect the flag and what it stands for.

[Beau Cassidy]

We haven't even begun to see the distress this country is going to fall into. If someone doesn't like out Avatar, well, there are other sites they can visit.

[Beau Cassidy]

Also note, My stars are on the wrong side. Having the stars on the right side indicates going forward. We, as a country, are going backwards.

[runfiverun]

i'm kinda torn on the whole thing,,,,,but it ain't my avatar.
the country will come out the other side of another 4 years, the question is whether any of us over the age of 40 will recognize it for what it was and what it will be at that point.
the bigger question is.
what are we gonna do about it if we don't like it?

[smokeywolf]

We can survive another four years. This country will once again prosper and be the nation it was meant to be. We have survived far worse and came out victorious. This will be because people of honor will once again prevail.
cdet69, in order for that to happen we would have to have at least some honorable politicians and I haven't seen any of those for a long long long time.

smokeywolf

[jcwit]

I have drawn my line in the sand, and I will not budge.

I felt the same as far as drawing a line in the sand and not budging about an issue I to this day believe in that I'm right.

Boy did I get chastised and probably put on ignore by members here.

If you truly believe you are right, stick to your guns, after all you do still have that right.

Carry on!

[Tom-ADC]

I have drawn my line in the sand, and I will not budge.

I'm assuming you are also flying your flag in front of your house the same way? Posting on a board really doesn't make a big statement, many of us will agree with you but you'd make a better statement flying your home flag that way.

I've been voting for 50 years, I'm a veteran of 21 years and have no doubt that after this mans next four years this will still be the country I've known and love.

You go ahead and have your avatar thats one of our freedoms.

[snuffy]

Also note, My stars are on the wrong side. Having the stars on the right side indicates going forward. We, as a country, are going backwards.

How could you fly a flag like gunnerd has it? The grommets are on the wrong end.;)

[shooter93]

The country will most certainly survive the next 4 years....the question is will the REPUBLIC? That remains to be seen, fly it upside down if you choose. We're in trouble.

[gray wolf]

I felt the same as far as drawing a line in the sand and not budging about an issue I to this day believe in that I'm right.

Boy did I get chastised and probably put on ignore by members here.

If you truly believe you are right, stick to your guns, after all you do still have that right.
Your still one of the flock, I would like to think if we argue here it means nothing when the chips are down. To me you are a friend, I got mad at you a couple a times but I know what your made of. I judge a man by his heart and his actions--not what he may say on occasion.
As for the Flag ? Yes the country is in bad trouble, will it survive ? Sure it will,
the trees, the mountains, the birds and the fish, will be here.
Will it survive as we know it/new it ? I think not. It's more than half gone now.
I will not vote in another crooked election again, I may even put a marker in the driveway---Politicians not welcome.---
I see no disrespect for the flag in this instance. I may even change my Avatar.
I think we are going to see a rapid change and not for the better.
and it wont take 4 years, what the Heck has 4 years to a creep that hammers us by the minute.

[geargnasher]

I didn't invert my US flag. After giving it a proper armed escort up and down the road by my house Tuesday night, I folded it properly and retired it, permanently. My state flag got moved to the place at the gate's right, and in it's place on the left now flies the Gonzales flag. That's statement enough.

Oh, BTW, my state can fly it's flag by itself and not step on any toes, we earned that right in 1836.

Gear

[geargnasher]

There sure is a lot of talk of John Galt lately. Wonder what took y'all so long to figure it out? :bigsmyl2:

Gear

[snuffy]

Looks like it's a spreading movement. This could get interesting. I found some "T" shirts with the upside down flag on it.

http://cjonline.com/news/local/2012-11-09/man-protests-obama-flying-upside-down-flag-emporia

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/PGR_guyGA/1_POLS_SHARE/Bam_Distress1.jpg

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_some-people-flying-upside-down-american-flags-protest-obamas-reelection-26599.shtml

[OBIII]

I'm with you 110% Gunnerd. There are too many people on here who seem to get their panties in a bunch complaining about Avatars or Drawings. Let them eat cake, for soon there will be none. (cept in the Rural areas). :twisted:

[Jim]

Mr. Gunnerd, if your flag is upside down, signaling 'dire distress', what kind of help do you need?

Mr. Gunnerd, I owe you an apology for that snide remark. As I can't pretend it didn't happen, all I can do is ask you to forgive me.

[firefly1957]

The Chinese flag is the wrong flag for the bummer he is all for the flag of islam.

[hiram1]

I am in with you guys.hang it how ever you want .I for one can see why.Im just sick up to my nose with it all.

[Bloodman14]

Mr. Gunnerd, I owe you an apology for that snide remark. As I can't pretend it didn't happen, all I can do is ask you to forgive me.

Jim, no apologies are necessary, my friend; I figured you had misunderstood by the way you worded your post. Don't sweat it.;)

[popper]

Boehner is about to surrender the House to KBO for his last and final time. Representative gov has gone kaput. It won't be back. Kerry for DD? Believe me , I understand the 'emergency' flag display. Of course those flying the flag at the Veterans parade wouldn't.

[ErikO]

While I may disagree with the sentiment, I definitely support your right to both espouse and share your opinion. Since the site admin has OK'ed it I fully support you.

For me, if the calls to leave the Union are acted upon, I'll join you. Otherwise, the First Naval will stay on as mine.

[Recluse]

I didn't invert my US flag. After giving it a proper armed escort up and down the road by my house Tuesday night, I folded it properly and retired it, permanently. My state flag got moved to the place at the gate's right, and in it's place on the left now flies the Gonzales flag. That's statement enough.

Oh, BTW, my state can fly it's flag by itself and not step on any toes, we earned that right in 1836.

Gear

I've got a somewhat random flag rotation now, and it started well before the election. I have a Goliad flag that flies often, the Gonzales flag is heavy in the rotation, the Texas flag, Texas Independence flag, the Gadsen flag and the Confederate flag. I, too, have retired the American flag.

Here are some of the flags that we fly on a regular basis:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=798&pictureid=5954

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=798&pictureid=5952

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=798&pictureid=5955

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=798&pictureid=5953

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=798&pictureid=5956

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=798&pictureid=5951

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/picture.php?albumid=798&pictureid=5957


Boehner is about to surrender the House to KBO for his last and final time. Representative gov has gone kaput. It won't be back. Kerry for DD? Believe me , I understand the 'emergency' flag display. Of course those flying the flag at the Veterans parade wouldn't.

? ? ?

The overwhelming majority of people I know down here who are flying/displaying the American flag upside down ARE military veterans.

:coffee:

[Tom-ADC]

I post on a Navy CPO board both active and retired, this subject just came up a few days ago also but as of now nobody is flying theirs up side down.

[popper]

Recluse - I was refering t the Dallas parade as on TV. It's a political parade and those in the parade that might want to are NOT allowed. You know, drum and bugle, pols, beauty queens and a few scraggly Nam vets on a trailer.

[shooter93]

I understand flying or posting it upside down but what I'll never do is retire it or replace it. The flag isn't a symbol just of the country but of the ideals set forth for us. They will never be achieved but that doesn't mean that isn't what we should strive for. It is my Republic, it is my home. I will not surrender it easily. I may end up being the last person in America that will fly it.....but fly it I will....maybe upside down at times....but still flying.

[DRNurse1]

Mr. Gunnerd, if your flag is upside down, signaling 'dire distress', what kind of help do you need?

Mr's Gunnrd, Beau Cassidy and the rest of the Cast Boolits Crew:

I figured this would be a dicey subject.

Sorry to object to your avitar but I do not see any way to rescue you from your emotional and ideological distress. I share this distress but choose to respect my flag as a symbol of my country and those who have made it great.

Right now, we are organizing and trying to formulate a plan to get through these next four years and to emerge with a functioning Republic. Distracting the mission of rescuing our Republic by flying an emotional distress signal and failing to contribute to the rescue effort is my view the avitar you choose to display. Further, it dilutes the response for those in physical distress, that which I am trained to address quickly and directly.

I think we are both saying the same thing, just expressing it in different ways. As this mess proceeds, I am definitely supporting your opinion and your right to say it. Also, I hope this discussion thread has helped to focus our energy on the rescue need.

And, Jim, I saw your later post and I also mean no disrespect by my comments, I just think we are 'pettyfogging' as Mr O'Reilly says, rather than addressing the true problem.

Thanks for caring to bring this to a forum, and like most of the folks posting here, I support your intent while objecting to your method.

Peace, brothers, but let's not take our 'eye off the ball.'

[Tom-ADC]

Don't forget in two years 20 of the democrats in the senate are up for re-election, control both house and problem is over.

DRNurse1 I agree.

[geargnasher]

Dr. Nurse, that was a good post there.

I have a genuine question though. What's YOUR idea of a plan to fix this mess? Those of us interested in fixing it just saw that the only real powers we have, (Reason and the Vote), are at this point utterly worthless.

As outlined in the Declaration of Independence, well, I think it's clear as a bell what the only option is to actually get anything productive accomplished. I have repeated more than once on this forum the quip that America is in the "Awkward stage: Too late to fix it with the system we have, and too soon to revolt." We're past that stage now, it grew up into a socialist thug. If you can come up with something other than revolt I'd love to hear it.

My plan is to take a smaller bite. Secede, and fix the problems with the new nation of Texas. Failing that, do as little as possible to support the looting parasites in charge.

Gear

[Recluse]

Don't forget in two years 20 of the democrats in the senate are up for re-election, control both house and problem is over.

DRNurse1 I agree.




I have a genuine question though. What's YOUR idea of a plan to fix this mess? Those of us interested in fixing it just saw that the only real powers we have, (Reason and the Vote), are at this point utterly worthless. Gear

And that is THE problem--the (conservative) vote in swing/key/battleground states has been nullified by way of fraud--and when the controlling party controls the AG who controls the FBI, there isn't a damn thing you can do.

What's more, when I hear faux conservatives like Sean Hannity begin their appeasement BS and I hear **** like "America has spoken, we need to re-group and. . . "

No, America spoke but a portion of what was spoken was STOLEN from those who spoke!

How does Oregon get away with 5 million votes being cast when only 3.5 million voters are even registered? How does St. Lucie County (FL) achieve a 139% voter turnout? Why the HELL was so much of the overseas military DENIED their say at the ballot box? Why were so many of the electronic voting boxes pre-programmed for Obama? Why did the CBS station in Arizona run a crawler a week early announcing Obama had won and did so damn near to the exact percentage point that he did?

Wait until 2014? Keep fighting? Re-group? Bull-effing-you-know-what!!!

I'm done. Period. De nada. El finito. The (expletive deleted) robbers and bandits have stolen this country, the president has appointed himself as dicktator and done so with not only the blessing of the media, but with their HELP.

People can sit around in forums yakking about re-grouping and the next election and on and on. Me? MY efforts and money are going towards getting Texas the hell out of here AND taking as many red states as we can with us.

THAT is the solution because left to their own devices, the blue states will be broke, diseased (AIDS, TB, and everything else the third world illegals bring with them), and cannibalistic within ten years, at which time we can finish off whatever is left and then restore the country again.

But so long as the welfare entitlement crowd is the majority and elections are allowed to be stolen via fraud, there IS NO PEACEFUL resolution or solution.

:coffee:

[DRNurse1]

"I have a genuine question though. What's YOUR idea of a plan to fix this mess? Those of us interested in fixing it just saw that the only real powers we have, (Reason and the Vote), are at this point utterly worthless." --Gear

Thanks for asking Gear.
I do not have a plan. I do have some thoughts on what a plan may include:

Our forefathers created a flexible and responsive system of governing the diverse 13 colonies. While we have grown some, we remain diverse yet manage to include far more than we exclude. So remaining flexible yet responding appropriately to the citizens in important.

We have a number of small groups with strong causes which when organized can cause strange things to occur. BHO organized 8% of our labor force (unions), 15% of our population (single women 18-32), Hispanics (I thought they were Catholic!?) and a number of left wing zealots into a voting bloc. This time around we appeared splintered, with too much infighting. I do not understand how folks with such divergent ideals coalesced, but if he can do this we can do it better. So, creating a way for the opposition to communicate and address the problem (the internet, with some rapid way of validating information) is important.

We tried the Secession thing once with poor results. I believe we need to find our strength together, since apart, we have much less hope of success. Unless we can figure a way for Texas to secede then over-run the remaining land mass formerly known as the United States of America. So presenting a united and organized coalition is important.

We have a mechanism to correct the problem in place. However, correcting the damage to our Republic from the mis-steps will take a lot longer. We can learn from this, and I think we can recover from this, but I agree with all y'all the result will not look like anything we knew before. So it is important that we address the discrepancies, but be ready for the worst result.

Just so the Board knows, I sent PM's to Beau Cassidy and Gunnrd with my respectful disagreement to their choice of avitar. I heard back from Beau Cassidy by PM but my concerns were not addressed, though he did quote the flag code as someone else did above. I am concerned with the misdirection the avitar causes versus the coalescing our cause needs.

Gear, your question should be answered by everyone who posted here, then the answers posted. This is the type of brain trust that can be counted upon for a reasonable solution to this problem in which each of us can play a part.

But maybe Recluse is right: “And that is THE problem--the (conservative) vote in swing/key/battleground states has been nullified by way of fraud--and when the controlling party controls the AG who controls the FBI, there isn't a damn thing you can do.”

Is it too late to move to Texas?

[starmac]

We can survive another four years. This country will once again prosper and be the nation it was meant to be. We have survived far worse and came out victorious. This will be because people of honor will once again prevail.

I hope you are right, but it has never had to climb out of a hole this deep, and we have at least 4 more years of digging, unless we hit bedrock, then things will get ugly.

[gray wolf]

we have at least 4 more years of digging,
Best thing to do when your in a hole is through away the shovel.
I must agree with J.D. and say this further dependency on the political proses
Is a head in the sand stance. ( ain't gonna happen )
It's also what I have been sayin for a long time and I just get told to take off the tin foil hat. Well you know what ? I like my tin foil hat, it's got ear muffs and all,
even got one in Woodland Camo,
This thing is broke period, I will say one thing they did a very good job of taking over America, now it needs to be taken back. You may do it by pulling a lever or a handle but it ain't on no voting machine.
Some folks talk to me like I'm some fool cause I live in a small broken down cabin in the Maine woods and struggle to feed my wife and I along with our two Dogs.
Go as far as laugh at me and call me old man and tell me I don't know nothing,
and I need to go along to get along.
Well I could see this coming for a long time, but you know what ? Many people Just couldn't/ can't/and wont deal with the truth.
Every day we talk and BS about what is going to happen in 4 years, You ain't gonna change a thing, nothing, but they will change a lot.
There snow ball gets bigger and bigger everyday it rolls down the hill called
destroy America while we build a fire under ours and melt it away with ideas of old
when things were different. Well they are different now so get your head around it,
Shake it off and get with what is happening.
They have broken through the wire, time for discussing how they did it is over.
I will never understand how so many of us were in harms way for other countries and don't see the distress ours is in.

[geargnasher]

"I have a genuine question though. What's YOUR idea of a plan to fix this mess? Those of us interested in fixing it just saw that the only real powers we have, (Reason and the Vote), are at this point utterly worthless." --Gear

Thanks for asking Gear.
I do not have a plan. I do have some thoughts on what a plan may include:

Our forefathers created a flexible and responsive system of governing the diverse 13 colonies. While we have grown some, we remain diverse yet manage to include far more than we exclude. So remaining flexible yet responding appropriately to the citizens in important. ???

We have a number of small groups with strong causes which when organized can cause strange things to occur. BHO organized 8% of our labor force (unions), 15% of our population (single women 18-32), Hispanics (I thought they were Catholic!?) and a number of left wing zealots into a voting bloc. This time around we appeared splintered, with too much infighting. I do not understand how folks with such divergent ideals coalesced, but if he can do this we can do it better.No, we can't. BO did it by promising them all welfare, amnesty, food stamps, and free health care. How are you going to compete with that? The knuckleheads in question are part of the Welfare Majority now, they ain't going to give up anything to you and me offering them freedom, responsibility, and a lush job market. So, creating a way for the opposition to communicate and address the problem (the internet, with some rapid way of validating information) is important. Communication isn't the problem, sloth, hedonism, and entitlement mentality are the problems.

We tried the Secession thing once with poor results. Your state isn't well prepared to stand on it's own, unfortunately. I believe we need to find our strength together, since apart, we have much less hope of success. That depends on your goals. Unless we can figure a way for Texas to secede then over-run the remaining land mass formerly known as the United States of America. I don't believe, as a majority, that Texas particularly cares much about taking over anywhere else. Most of the founders came here to get the hell away from everyone else and be left alone. So presenting a united and organized coalition is important. Presenting what and to whom?

We have a mechanism to correct the problem in place. Our federal system of checks and balances is catatonic. Congress is gridlocked and terrified to make a stand on anything, the president bypasses congress entirely by using the executive order to enact his will at every turn, and the supreme court is so far behind that they will be years from now determining that actions done by the president in his LAST term were unconstitutional. So THAT system is broken although a conservative, moral president COULD possibly fix that. I don't know if that is the mechanism to which you were referring or not, but it isn't going to help us now if it is. However, correcting the damage to our Republic from the mis-steps will take a lot longer. We can learn from this, and I think we can recover from this, but I agree with all y'all the result will not look like anything we knew before. So it is important that we address the discrepancies, but be ready for the worst result. Those capable of learning something from this didnt' need any lessons in it, those who NEEDED to learn from it are incapable of Reason. This is all just a lot of doublespeak.

Just so the Board knows, I sent PM's to Beau Cassidy and Gunnrd with my respectful disagreement to their choice of avitar. I heard back from Beau Cassidy by PM but my concerns were not addressed, though he did quote the flag code as someone else did above. I am concerned with the misdirection the avitar causes versus the coalescing our cause needs.

Gear, your question should be answered by everyone who posted here, then the answers posted. This is the type of brain trust that can be counted upon for a reasonable solution to this problem in which each of us can play a part.

But maybe Recluse is right: “And that is THE problem--the (conservative) vote in swing/key/battleground states has been nullified by way of fraud--and when the controlling party controls the AG who controls the FBI, there isn't a damn thing you can do.”

Is it too late to move to Texas?

Recluse IS right, and not just on the parts of his post you quoted. He and I understand the fundamental problem, and also understand that the last election proved, beyond a doubt, what we had been waiting to be confirmed: The system of government is bankrupt in every way, and the majority of the voting population want it that way. LOOK AT GREECE and what the welfare entitlement crowd has done there. You don't have to take college-level poli-sci classes, you don't have to read, you don't have to have a degree in philosophy or history, all you have to do is turn on the TV and see what has happened there, why it happened, and that we're about half a step behind them in America. If you can, as an American, look at their situation and still vote for BO, you are just too stupid to live.

And that's what happened. How you gonna fix THAT?

Gear

[montana_charlie]

An inverted flag signals 'distress'. It means your ship is sinking, your fort is being overrun, or your city is starving. But, why fly a distress signal?
The only purpose for shooting flares, sending flashes with a mirror, or inverting the flag is to induce someone to come to your rescue.

Good luck with that ...


Obama got a lot of votes that were not cast for him. The evidence for that seems pretty compelling.

As Tom-ADC said, we need to take control of the Senate.
We can only do that by voting, and this election showed that the 'voting system' is wide open to manipulation.
The first step in taking control of the Senate is getting a fraud-proof balloting system in place during the next two years.

I will be watching for any sign of a movement in that direction.
I have no concept of how that is to be accomplished, so I won't be in the forefront of any action. But, I am available for whatever 'grunt work' that needs to be done in support of the process.

In other words, I will be trying to ACT in some way to CHANGE the current situation ... not parading up and down my road with my inverted Stars and Stripes on my shoulder to show my neighbors how 'distressed' I feel ... and how grateful I would be if somebody would come rescue me.

CM

[Hamish]

Me, I'm just a little guy in the scale of things.

I personally have no real power. I can send all the emails and phone calls I want to, it doesn't mean jack.

I live in a * state that I probably will not be able to leave due to refusal to leave my grandsons.

The American political system is *, and imo, will remain * from now, until the big Fan incident comes. The wife has asked what or where we could go, but there is nowhere to go, but *really*, there's nothing *to* do at this point, other than figure out how to live a little more frugally.

I have alluded to the fact that every man must, at a certain point, ask themselves a certain question. I am resigned to the thought that at some point, some day, if the fight for the New American Reformation ever comes, there are enough of us nobodies to make the difference.

Maybe, hopefully, these are just fearful ruminations. Hope for the best, be ready for the worst.
The other day a father and a cub scout came by to drop off the blue bag for Scouting for food, and I told the young man how glad I was to see him in his uniform. I told him how he would learn things that would last his whole life. He gave me a funny look, and I reached into my pocket and pulled out 3 of the things that I carry, no matter what, no matter where. A pocket flashlight, a bic lighter, and a pocket knife. Dad just smiled.

Point being, I have surrendered any grand notions of a resurgence of American freedom and ideals, and will be occupied with trying to figure out how to survive the coming depression.

[Love Life]

In other words, I will be trying to ACT in some way to CHANGE the current situation ... not parading up and down my road with my inverted Stars and Stripes on my shoulder to show my neighbors how 'distressed' I feel ... and how grateful I would be if somebody would come rescue me.

CM

What he said.^