LLA now considered Haz-mat?

[exile]

Since Nov. 5th is designated as "Buy Bulk Ammo" day, I just placed an order for a Lee 124 grain tumble lube TC 9mm. mold and a .356 dia. sizer. Upon completion of my order I was informed that my shipping charges would be eighteen dollars!

When I questioned the absurd shipping charges (my last shipping charge was somewhere in the ballpark of $ 8.50.) I was informed that Lee Liquid Alox is now considered a Haz-Mat material and that because of that, my order would have to be shipped UPS and thus I would be charged such a ridiculous amount for shipping.

On top of that, I was informed that any liquid such as the purple Locktite that I ordered was also now considered Haz-Mat.

Had I been informed of this ahead of time and been thinking clearly, I would have at least added some Starline brass and another tube of LLA to my order, but I was so upset that I didn't do that.

Has anyone else encountered this nonsense? I have always been a loyal customer of this un-named establishment, but I think I may have to change my tune.

(To put this in perspective, my shipping charges were almost as much as my boolit mold.)

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[Hamish]

Who was the vendor please, so I can inform them what they can attempt to do with a rolling doughnut.

I appreciate not wanting to start "stuff" by not naming them, but that nonsense needs to be addressed.

[garym1a2]

Midwayusa shipping prices have seen higher lately.

[1Shirt]

Another reason to eliminate the EPA!
1Shirt!:coffee:

[geargnasher]

LLA has been classified as a ground-shipping only hazardous material from the beginning, this is not news. What IS news is that places that previously ignored that as long as the bottle of LLA was in the sizer "kit" container and not sold individually are now considering it hazardous regardless, which is what they should have done from the beginning.

I don't known and am not going to speculate on why vendors are just now choosing to consider the LLA in the sizer kit hazmat/ground, but the individual bottles have been that way for a while, along with a whole bunch of other stuff people don't think about.

Gear

[felix]

Yep! "Hazmat" has been around for years in the transportation business. It's typically called "authority" and the pricing allowed to be adjusted accordingly. Did you not know that shipping computer equipment (mainframes) is one of the highest in transportation cost? The cost is right along with shipping furniture. As an example, my brother was listed as a nitroglycerin carrier, i.e., having authority to transport the stuff in his specialized truck. Police escort required. ... felix

[dualsport]

Sorry to add to your bummer, but I suspect the .356 sizing die may prove too small. It is the one commonly advised, but many 9mm cb shooters go bigger, even up to .359 for some guns. Too late to cancel the order?

[Eutectic]

I just ordered a .285" Lee push through sizer from Graf & Sons which has a bottle of LLA with it.

No additional shipping but I noticed the box was marked "ORM-D" as it is when loaded ammunition is shipped. (for no additional shipping cost)

Eutectic

[exile]

As it happens, I already have a .359 sizer for my 38 caliber molds, so maybe that will work too.

My hope is that the mold I ordered might work in the .357 Sig as well, but we will have to see how it goes.

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[Ron in PA]

Non-bulk shipments (<119 gallons or <450 liters of material are not regulated by the U.S.Department of Transportation

[PS Paul]

Like 1Shirt alludes to, your EPA hard at work helping to destroy the free enterprise system and regulate businesses OUT of business!

[felix]

Ron, that makes sense. How many gallons of fuel does a typical 18 wheeler carry in their gas tanks? ... felix

[uscra112]

Ron, that makes sense. How many gallons of fuel does a typical 18 wheeler carry in their gas tanks? ... felix

Typical saddle tanks on an OTR tractor are 250 gallons each. At current diesel prices, that's $1000 a fill-up!

Some 20+ years ago I took a training course to qualify as HazMat Administrator for the company I was working for. The instructor mentioned that when he had started his training some year before, Coca Cola was considered HazMat by the D.O.T. ( Coca-Cola obviously had enough political weight to have that changed. )

[uscra112]

Non-bulk shipments (<119 gallons or <450 liters of material are not regulated by the U.S.Department of Transportation

That's what I thought, too. Maybe the USPS has tightened up their enforcement on shipping fluids, forcing the O.P.'s seller to use UPS at a higher rate?

[geargnasher]

Non-bulk shipments (<119 gallons or <450 liters of material are not regulated by the U.S.Department of Transportation

The issue in question isn't regulated by DOT, it's regulated by the flying authority subsets. Try to take 5 gallons of diesel fuel on a plane sometime and see how far you get.

The OP was being forced to ship his entire order by ground freight due to the non-flyable component of his order, plus was *maybe, maybe not* being gouged for additional price on that ground freight. Ground all the way over a distance, the way I understand it, is often more expensive on small items than letting the shipper do it how they please, which involves aircraft as much as possible.

Gear