Did Winchester ever make a Model 70 Control Round Feed in 22-250?

[Just Duke]

Did Winchester ever make a Model 70 Control Round Feed in 22-250? and other than a feather weight. ;)
TIA,
Duke

[Mooseman]

Yes they did , but only in the "Classic" series which was a remake of the pre-64.
It was never produced in a pre-64 Model 70.
Most were featherweights but they did make a Coyote Varmint rifle in SS.
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535144
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535126

[scb]

Winchester chambered the m70 in 220 Swift before the 22-250 was a commercial cartridge. I guess the 225 was supposed to be their answer to the 22-250. As it (the 225) came out in 1964 I don't believe it was ever chambered in a control feed rifle.

[cdet69]

The Remington 22-250 was not standardized until 1965. Although I have seen some rebarreld to take the 22-250 but it realy does not count. Winchester still took custom orders so a pre 64 might be a possibility.

[Just Duke]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/image.php?u=18478&dateline=1311433300 Give him a hug for me. :-D

[Mooseman]

Prior to 1964 the only Remington caliber chambered in a Model 70 was the .35 Remington and very few at that.

AT that time the 22-250 was considered a Wildcat.

[runfiverun]

i have a very early heavy barelled 22-250 [like late 65 early 66] it's a push feed.
if they made any with controlled feed i'd say the serial numbers would be well under 900,000.

[cdet69]

I saw in a book that Winchester made a 45-70. It was the only one but it was a custom order. I imagine if this was done than a 22-250 might have been done also. It would not have been Remington 22-250 because of the date but instead a 22 Varminter. I guess I just have high hopes and wishfull thinking that this might have happened.

[cdet69]

Hey Duke. She says thank you. By the way she is from Arizona not a Yankee. Maybe why she looks so great. Still my baby though.

[Mooseman]

In the Book "The Riflemans Rifle" The Winchester Model 70 1936-1963 written By Roger Rule , He states That the first 22-250 Chambering in the Model 70 was in 1967 so it would be a Post 64 model.
The Last serial number made Pre-64 was 581,471.
The first Post 64 "New Model" started with 700,000 so there were No rifles serial numbered in between those 2 numbers.

I have a request for an answer into the Cody Museum as to the OP's question...But IF one was made it would be RARE and as yet unknown in the circle of Model 70 collectors that I Know.

Rich

[Just Duke]

Hey Duke. She says thank you. By the way she is from Arizona not a Yankee. Maybe why she looks so great. Still my baby though.


:bigsmyl2:

[Just Duke]

What would be a parent cartridge to the 22-250 be?

[cdet69]

The 250-3000. It was a Savage cartridge designed by Charles Newton.

[shotman]

would bet rem as a copy cat used the 243win. to come up with the 22-250 250-3000 is about same
anything rem made was a copy of someones design. but they made it cheaper

[Mooseman]

The .22-250 started life as a wildcat cartridge developed from the .250 Savage case necked down to take a .224 caliber bullet. In the early days of the cartridge there were several different versions that varied only slightly from one to the next, including one developed in 1937 by Grosvenor Wotkyns, J.E. Gebby and J.E. Smith who named their version the 22 Varminter.

[flounderman]

the 243 necked down is a middlestead, or a cheetah. lot more capacity than the 22-250.

[Just Duke]

Winchester currently makes a 22-250 in a Feather Weight which I have no love affair with the skinny sock and barrel. Would this be the same bolt heads as the .243? Maybe I could pick up a donor rifle and rebarrel it.

[runfiverun]

they have the same 473 rim and 409 undercut.
the case is within .003 measured at the web. 470 to 467.
so the 243 action should work okay as far as the feed rails and such.
the magazine would be a titch long for the 250 case but should work.

[Mooseman]

Just got a response to my inquiry...

The Pre-64 Model 70 was not offered in the .22-250. The .22-250 was not offered commercially until 1965 when it was offered by Remington as the .22-250 Remington. Prior to that, it was a Wildcat cartridge and the only commercial gun maker to offer a rifle chambered for the .22-250 caliber was Browning.

Kind Regards;

Daniel L. Brumley
Curatorial Assistant
Firearms Information
Cody Firearms Museum
Buffalo Bill Historical Center
720 Sheridan Avenue
Cody, Wyoming 82414

[frankenfab]

I know you like Winchesters Duke, but I had a CZ 550 American in .22-250. Controlled round feed, set trigger. It was EXTREMELY accurate.

Man, I miss that rifle something awful.

[Four Fingers of Death]

I know it doesn't have CRF (which is really not necessary for a 22/250), but the push feed XTR Model70 series of rifles are beautiful rifles. I have a really nice one in 22/250 and it is one good looking, sweet rifle.

[Olevern]

In a magazine feed rifle, I like the push feed in all but the dangerous game rifle. Having once been involved in benchrest shooting, for which every accuracy edge is important, I prefer in my extreme accuracy long range varmint rifles an action which places the least amount of stress on the concentricity of my carefully assembled cartridges in getting the cartridge into the chamber and that action is not the controlled-feed action.

On the other hand, I have a more-than-acceptably accurate rifle in .22-250 which is used for snap shots on called-in coyotes in close cover where one typically encounters the game at close range and it is a controlled-round action.

For a prarie dog or ground-hog rifle where long range shots are the norm (and this is where the .22-250 shines) I will always go with a push-feed (if magazine) bolt action. Preference in this application, however, is a single shot bolt action with a custom match barrel and minimum chamber.

No doubt means less in the sloppy chamber dimensions of a factory rifle with a magazine, but old habits (looking at every aspect in search of better groups) are hard to overcome.

BTW, my 'holy grail' for bolt action rifles is one hundred yard, one half inch five shot groups reliably. Any gun which does not meet that expectation after tuning (bedding, crown, working up loads, etc.) eventually goes down the road as trade material.

[Four Fingers of Death]

I took my 270Win 1949 made Model 70 to the range yesterday. I forgot what a nice rifle it is. Just shooting jacketed factory and sighting a temporary scope in, but had a nice feel to it. Lately I have been spending two afternoons and most of Sunday at the range (I am Range Captain, so I am there a lot) and have been shooting a few milsurps and my 7600 Police 308 mostly. When I lined up the old Model 70, the great trigger caught me unawares, haha! Settled down after that. It is a great rifle in very original condition, just needs a blade for the rear sight tobe complete.

[o6Patient]

Does a 22-250 really need to be a control round feed?
All my .224 calibers are push feed rems.