35 Whelen with 358009

[TCTex]

Does anyone have data for this round using this data?


When I called Lyman the rep said that they use to have data for the 35 Whelen using the 358009 and suggested that I try to find someone who had an old manual.


Thanks in advance,


Duane

[Le Loup Solitaire]

I have been using 42 grains of 3031 and it groups well at 100 yards. I have gone as high as 45 grains but didn't like the recoil which started getting stiff. LLS

[Dutch4122]

Accurate Arms Reloading Guide (Number Two) has data with their powders for the .35 Whelen and the Lyman 358009: (24" rifle barrel)

5744 30.6 grains to 34.0 grains

2015 36.9 grains to 41.0 grains

2230 37.8 grains to 42.0 grains

2460 38.3 grains to 42.5 grains

2495 43.2 grains to 48.0 grains



Lyman 47th Reloading Handbook lists the following loads with the #358009 cast out of Lyman #2 alloy & fired out of a 24" barreled universal receiver:

SR-4759 25.5 grains to 31.6 grains

IMR-3031 39.0 grains to 48.5 grains (compressed)

IMR-4227 24.0 grains to 28.0 grains

IMR-4198 30.0 grains to 40.0 grains


I only quoted the faster burning Accurate Arms powders since I seem to remember that you mentioned your gun is a single shot pistol?

Hope this helps,:mrgreen:

[TCTex]

I only quoted the faster burning Accurate Arms powders since I seem to remember that you mentioned your gun is a single shot pistol?

Hope this helps,:mrgreen:

LOL, good memory!!



The top performing powders in a rifle will also be the top performing powders in a “pistol.” Or as one of my friends calls my weapon of choice, ristols… LOL

This will be a good starting point for a 16.5in 35-06 JDJ. It is actually a 15in barrel with a SSK break on the front of it. The case capacity is more like a 35 Whelen Imp.

Here is the loading data I do have:


This data is for a 15in Encore chambered in 35-06 JDJ. Use at your own risk.
Powder Bullet Velocity
H335
62.3 180 2478
65.4 180 2660
67.0 180 2742
56.0 220 2258 Max

4064
61.5 225 2526
62.8 225 2614
62.8 220 2584

N-140
58.9 225 2329
61.0 225 2452
62.5 225 2510

4350
58.0 220 1958
55.8 220 2302
58.5 220 2409
60.5 220 2528 Max

RL-15
59.5 225 2354
61.3 225 2450
62.5 225 2520
63.5 225 2586

55.8 250 2219
59.0 250 2316
61.8 250 2415

[stocker]

40 grains IMR4895 with an aircooled WW+2% Sn has performed very well for me with 358009.

[Dutch4122]

Looks like you will be off to a good start there. Just keep one thing in mind; faster burning powders will allow for a lower muzzle pressure as the boolit exits the barrel. While slower burning powders will have a higher muzzle pressure as the boolit exits the barrel. This lower muzzle pressure condition usually results in much better groups on the target.

Since you have a 15 inch barrel I would recommend that you pick the powder with the fastest burn rate and work up from the suggested starting load. Starting out with a slower burner like RL-15 (which works great in 24" barrels) may take you down a path of frustration with a 15" barrel.

Hope this helps,:grin:

[TCTex]

Matt, your logic is there! I appreciate the advice! You wouldn’t say anything if you were not trying to save me time, money, and headaches!!!!! I appreciate that!

Hornady's loading manual:
Most T/C Encore offerings, as with the 270 Win., are pistol adaptations of rifle cartridges. As such, reloading for them (essential to reach their full potential) requires special attention. Fifteen inch barrels for cartridges originally used in 24", or even 26" barrels won’t produce original factory ballistics. You can do well, though, if you are careful in both powder selection and reloading.


Its good, however, it does not really talk about burn rates. There is a common misconception about burn rates and the reflection of barrel lengths. I mean, there has been a thread or two on this wonderful sight that users have, let’s just say, became very passionate over. LOL

Hodgdon Powders-308 loading data for a 15in barrel, TC Reloading Manual.
While some shooters maintain rifle cartridges in pistol barrels require faster burning powders to obtain optimum results, test reveal the same powders that offer top velocities in the 308 WCF rifle barrels also deliver top performance in pistols.




Thought you would get a kick out of these...

12in Full bull 7mm08 Rem-3 shots at 100 yards. Load was 42gr of RL-15 with a 139 SpBt


http://www.handgunhunt.com/photopost/data/500/7mm08_ShortGun.jpg



17in 375 H&H AI - 3 shots at 100 yards. Load was IMR 40-64 with a 270gr Hornady Sp


http://www.handgunhunt.com/photopost/data/500/Picture_0211.jpg


15in 257 Rob AI. Target #8 is with a 117gr Sierra over IMR 4831

http://www.handgunhunt.com/photopost/data/500/Range_report_005.jpg

[TCTex]

40 grains IMR4895 with an aircooled WW+2% Sn has performed very well for me with 358009.

My Dad just gave me 15lbs of IMR 4895 and I don't use it in any cartridge/round I own. I REALLY need to look into this more!!!!


Duane

[stocker]

TCTex: I'm loading for a 22" rifle barrel, 1/14. Both 358009 and 358318 shoot very well with the 4895's. Certainly worth a try in your firearm. Actually, I use 4895 in quite a range of cast boolit loads for several cartridges and it is the one powder I make certain I have enough of. .

[TCTex]

Stocker, I am one of the oddballs that will try all the powders I have that are applicable. I don't argue with what shoots or what works. LOL


I just found loading data on "Steve's" reloading websight that has 4895 with 275gr and 300gr projectiles. I have CCI, Fed, and Win primers. I wonder how they will do???


Thanks for the help so far gents!!!


Keep them coming if you have any suggestions or recommendations.


Duane

[Blammer]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Targets/File0112.jpg

I like 41.5gr of IMR4895 with my 358009, it will kick the snot out of you though, especially in an 8lb rifle.

[Dutch4122]

Matt, your logic is there! I appreciate the advice! You wouldn’t say anything if you were not trying to save me time, money, and headaches!!!!! I appreciate that!


Thanks, and by the way, those are some impressive groups.:shock:

If it was me, I'd try the load with IMR-4198 first. My alloy would be 50% wheelweight and 50% pure lead, water dropped; for a BHN of approximately 22. The pressure on the maximum 40.0 grain charge (according to the Lyman 47th Edition Reloading Handbook) is 41,700 CUP. The above alloy water dropped should handle that pressure. Hopefully your muzzle pressure will be low enough at the end of 15" so that accuracy won't be affected. If you get groups that are "high & wild" you have too much muzzle pressure; and you may have to go to an even faster burning powder such as AA-1680. Also, I can give you a simple formula to mix up one of badgeredd's copper enriched alloys if you need to run these boolits at higher pressure/velocity.

Good luck and keep us up to date on your results.:popcorn:

[TCTex]

I thought this might help some.


See, mine is "fun size!!"


The 358009 fits extremely well leaving the top driving band near the mouth of the case.


The 225gr Sierra Game King is set properly in the case. The 358009 bullet has just been set to the chamber. I will be setting the dies up for it tomorrow and loading up a few rounds!



http://www.handgunhunt.com/photopost/data/545/photo_8_.JPG



http://www.handgunhunt.com/photopost/data/545/photo_6_.JPG


Ps, the reason the case on the left looks a little off is because it was a failed experiment for forming cases with H335 and a 190 Ranch Dog…


http://www.handgunhunt.com/photopost/data/545/photo_10_.JPG

35 Whelen (R) and 357 Herrett (L)


Duane

[Just Duke]

I have always liked this caliber. Remington made an autoloader in it for awhile.

[JesterGrin_1]

I have always liked this caliber. Remington made an autoloader in it for awhile.

I would have thought that by now you would have a 35 Whelen or a 358 Winchester or Both. :)

Great Rounds.

[Just Duke]

Here's a nice one. Not mine though. Myself I would rather pick up a used CRF M-70 and send it to Jesse in OR for reboring.

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu277/WolfTrack_album/Rem700CDL35Whelen.jpg

[JesterGrin_1]

I am not completely sold yet on the Re-Bore thing.

As I have a Ruger No.1 Stainless in .243 that I have been going back and forth with myself to have it Re-Bored to a 358 Winchester. I just can not make myself pull the trigger since Ruger No longer makes Stainless. :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/RugerNo12.jpg

[Just Duke]

I am not completely sold yet on the Re-Bore thing.

As I have a Ruger No.1 Stainless in .243 that I have been going back and forth with myself to have it Re-Bored to a 358 Winchester. I just can not make myself pull the trigger since Ruger No longer makes Stainless. :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/SHAKERATTLEROLL/RugerNo12.jpg

I surely can understand that. That's a really nice looking rifle! Perfect caliber for coyotes. I'd try and find a donor rifle with some nicks or scratches.

[TCTex]

Jester, nice rifle!!


Duke, that just isn't right... ... ... ...


When it is time for my oldest son to "graduate" to my 30-06 CZ 550 American, I am replacing "MY" rifle with a 35 Whelen... LOL

[Just Duke]

Btt .....

[TCTex]

Anyone tried 2400 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


Duane

[Shuz]

The load I have been using in my 35 Whelen with a 1:12 Douglass bbl is: 358009@.358 with 48g of AA 4064and CCI 200 primer. Velocity is 2150 fps from the 24" bbl. This load has been used successfully on moose, elk, and deer. You can eat right up to the boolit hole.

[Just Duke]

Winchester Model 70 Super Grade 30.06 Fella up the way has it and wants $400.00 for it.
It would get rebored to 35 Whelan.