Hollywood Senior

[bb07]

Hi guys. I'm pretty certain someone here will know the answer so here goes. I'm looking at this press on fleabay. Why I don't know, guess I'm just a sucker for the old stuff.
My question: why the large holes in the turret?
Any other info about this press is much appreciated, thanks.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HOLLYWOOD-SENIOR-TURRET-RELOADING-PRESS-/230867579670?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item35c0c7b316

[Pressman]

The large holes were, back then, for shotgun dies and some swaging dies. Hollywood swaging dies were 7/8-14 tpi.
That is a nice looking press and a lot newer than the seller thinks.
Better see your banker about a second morgtage if you are really interested.

Ken

[LUBEDUDE]

bbo7- don't think that you are stuck with large holes if you have no use for them. You can get 1 1/2 x12 x 7/8x14 conversion bushings so you can use your standard dies in all of your tool head holes.

Original Hollywood bushings have gone berserk on ebay lately for some reason. They used to be about $10- $12, now they have hit almost $50. However you can buy them very reasonalbe from CH4D.

Good Luck

[bb07]

Thanks for the information guys. It'll be interesting to see what it goes for.

[Kevin Rohrer]

It looks pretty new, I'd say <10-years old. With both primer arms, two capstan handles, and four of the 1 1/2x12 stations, this is a VERY capable press.

It should go for around $450 +-$50.

[Pressman]

The lage holes are 1-1/4" x 18. 12 pitch threads are unique to teh Rockchucker - when it was new.
Ken

[LUBEDUDE]

Pressman, Kevin - I am confused. I wish to find some answers here, not to argue or prove anyone wrong. However, to prove that I am not a total dumb A$$, I do offer some measurements and photos.

Maybe my Hollywood bushings are not standard, or maybe Hollywood Gun Shop offered more than one size. I don't know. It would not make sense considering the same size is for their shotgun dies.

As you can see the bushing measurses 1 1/2" The length of the busing is 1", however threads can not be cut the whole length. The number of threads are 10 - 10 1/2. If the threads could run up the whole body it would be twelve, No way could 18 threads make it.

Now maybe ya'll are confusing Hollywood with Herters. My Herter's bushings measure 1 3/16 by my eye. Maybe they round up to 1 1/4. The thread pitch is 17 1/2 threads, making it 18 for the 1" length.

Am I missing something here?

[Kevin Rohrer]

I was curious about the single, large die holder on my Model-III and measured it with a thread gauge awhile back. I believe it was x18, but am not sure. I will check tomorrow and let you know. I do recall that the larger die hole had finer threads, so that is why x18 sticks in my mind.

[scarry scarney]

My question: why the large holes in the turret?
Any other info about this press is much appreciated, thanks.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HOLLYWOOD-SENIOR-TURRET-RELOADING-PRESS-/230867579670?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item35c0c7b316
Hollywood Sr Turrets are popular for the 50BMG crowd, the Hornady and RCBS dies for the fifty are 1.5 inch. I was lucky and was given a Holloywood a couple of years ago, still works well. Only real complaint is no spent primer catcher.

[Kevin Rohrer]

I went down to the reloading man cave this morning and put calipers and a thread gauge to the single, large die station on my Model-III. It is definitely 1 1/2 x 12. I stand corrected.

[Kevin Rohrer]

Only real complaint is no spent primer catcher.

God specifically gave us a left hand to catch pesky primers coming from Hollywoods. :mrgreen:

[LUBEDUDE]

Hollywood Sr Turrets are popular for the 50BMG crowd, the Hornady and RCBS dies for the fifty are 1.5 inch. I was lucky and was given a Holloywood a couple of years ago, still works well. Only real complaint is no spent primer catcher.

Not very purdy, but at least it allows you to deprime and prime in the same operation.

[Pressman]

If that press is as new as it appears to be there is a probability that it is threaded for RCBS adapters. The original Hollywoods were x18" but anything goes with a semi-custom press as a new Hollywood would be.
Ken

[LUBEDUDE]

If that press is as new as it appears to be there is a probability that it is threaded for RCBS adapters. The original Hollywoods were x18" but anything goes with a semi-custom press as a new Hollywood would be.
Ken

I have catalogs and flyers which mention the 1 1/2" holes muliple times each, but not the thread pitch.

One catalog quotes the introduction of the 1 1/2 hole as Jan. 1956.

"These New Hollywood Special Dies have 1 1/2" threads that will readlily thread into the late "Senior"Tools and the Hollywood "Turret" sold after since Jan 1st, 1956, price per set, $28.50."


As an added note, I have 2-3 sets of 12 Ga dies, 1 set of 20 ga, 1 set of 16 ga, and 1 set of 410 dies, all of which fit my 1 1/2 x12 holes in both my Universal Turret Tool and my Senior Turret.

[quasi]

I have had several Universal 3's and 2 Senior turrets, they all had/have 1 1/2x12 tpi threads, just like the Hollywood Shotshell dies that came with them.

[FUBAR 6]

My Hollywood's are all 1.5" 12

I have a CH (Magnum?). That has a 1.25" 18

[bb07]

Thanks to all for all the information, very informative for anyone interested in these presses.
While my eyes are big, my wallet is not so I'm going to watch this one go by. I certainly have no need for a press such as this, although that doesn't mean I would pass one up if the price is right.
So, out of curiosity, are any of you looking for one of these (not necessarily this particular one) and what would you use such a behemoth of a press for, other than swaging?

[Kevin Rohrer]

I keep die sets permanently setup in my turrets so when I want to load a particular caliber, I just move the turret to the correct die.

Oh, and with the tie bar in-place, the Senior Turret does a good job of FL resizing 7.62mm machine gun brass so they fit in my M1A.

[Pressman]

Good thread. I did not know some Hollywoods have 12 tpi holes. Both of mine are 18 tpi, the bushings interchange with Herter's. Now I need to figure out the date they were offered. RCBS began offering a 12 tpi bushing in 1967 on the Rockchucker so there maybe some cross information here.

Ken

[Kevin Rohrer]

Ken,

Which presses are those, and when do you figure they were made?

I just checked Corcoran's patent applications and there is no mention in them of any sizes for anything.

My 1960s era Model-III has the x12 threads.

Related question for the old-school machinists: Was there an unwritten agreement that a particular size die would also get particular size threads?

[smokeywolf]

1 1/2 - 12 is UNF "Unified National Fine" thread
1 1/2 - 6 is UNC "Unified National Course"

Most standard U.S. thread pitches are derived from Society of Automotive Engineers SAE long established standards.

smokeywolf

[FUBAR 6]

My Herter's bushings measure 1 3/16 by my eye. Maybe they round up to 1 1/4. The thread pitch is 17 1/2 threads, making it 18 for the 1" length.


Good stuff--So the Herters & RCBS will fit my old CH, I need one for it

[LUBEDUDE]

Good thread. I did not know some Hollywoods have 12 tpi holes. Both of mine are 18 tpi, the bushings interchange with Herter's. Now I need to figure out the date they were offered. RCBS began offering a 12 tpi bushing in 1967 on the Rockchucker so there maybe some cross information here.

Ken


Well the Shotgun dies to go with the presses got their big push starting in June of 1955. Just because there was a write up in Dope Bag in American Rifleman doesn't mean that they were available yet. They weren't cataloged until Jan of 1956.
Also when the Senior Turret came out in 1961 they boasted how it would handle the 1 1/2 " Shotgun dies.

The Hollywood Shotgun Dies have appeared to remain constant at 1 1/2 x12.

Thus I believe we are looking at 1956 forward for 1 12"x12.

But as Ken mentioned earlier, there may have been some custom options with newer presses going on, as I will corraborate at a later date.

[LUBEDUDE]

Good stuff--So the Herters & RCBS will fit my old CH, I need one for it

Get one here :idea:

http://www.ch4d.com/catalog/presses/ptb

[FUBAR 6]

Yea thanks

[bb07]

It looks pretty new, I'd say <10-years old. With both primer arms, two capstan handles, and four of the 1 1/2x12 stations, this is a VERY capable press.

It should go for around $450 +-$50.

Well, the auction has ended with it selling for $399. You were out by one dollar:mrgreen::awesome:
No, I didn't bid...

[pauly]

G'day from Downunder . :smile:

G'day All , I desparately wanted it and I bid to $301.00 U.S. dollars but as it would cost $200.00 approx to ship it downunder I decided to wait for a bit cheaper one even if it is in need of a bit of love and care ( anyone got one for sale my single station senior is lonely )

Regards Paul . :-)

[Kevin Rohrer]

Well, the auction has ended with it selling for $399.

The buyer got a DEAL. I believe later ones sold new for >$600.

[LUBEDUDE]

Yes, a good deal indeed!

[kd185]

:)
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