Possible to date lead bullet fragments by color/appearance?

[melchloboo]

Is it possible for me to know how old harvested bullet fragments are just by looking at them? How quickly do typical lead bullet fragments turn black and oxidize in a hot southern state like Alabama?

[John Boy]

is it possible for me to know how old harvested bullet fragments are just by looking at them?
No ... What's the purpose of the question?

[melchloboo]

No ... What's the purpose of the question?

Involves a silly dispute about harvested lead at a club range. If the lead is 3 months old, one member gets to keep it. If it is 1 or 2 months old, the other member gets it.

[runfiverun]

throw in humidity and it turns white.

and if it's all millions of years old i got dibs on it..

[bumpo628]

Tell them to split it and call it even.

[btroj]

Involves a silly dispute about harvested lead at a club range. If the lead is 3 months old, one member gets to keep it. If it is 1 or 2 months old, the other member gets it.

I would ask if you are kidding but I won't.

How it "ages" is dependant on many things. Soil type, temp, humidity, rainfall, is bullet buried or on the surface, jacketed vs cast, and who ons what else.

Tell these guys to put on their big boy panties and split it evenly.

What a maroon.

[Jim]

Involves a silly dispute about harvested lead at a club range. If the lead is 3 months old, one member gets to keep it. If it is 1 or 2 months old, the other member gets it.

These are adults? :shock:

[375RUGER]

Involves a silly dispute about harvested lead at a club range. If the lead is 3 months old, one member gets to keep it. If it is 1 or 2 months old, the other member gets it.

It's all as old as the earth. If you are the first member then you get it all.



Squabbling over who gets the newest lead :groner:

[mold maker]

I'd ask Joe Biden. Your sure to get a straight answer, with an attached grin.

[Defcon-One]

Yeah, ask Joe!

You'll get a different answer every day.


If the lead is 3 months old, one member gets to keep it. If it is 1 or 2 months old, the other member gets it."

Isn't that kind of like two blind guys fighting over who gets the Blue t-shirt and who gets the Red one?

NO, you can't tell. But it sounds like they are not too bright! Just tell them that you can tell how old it is and you'll sort it for them. I'd use scale, 50/50 split!

[bumpo628]

Just tell them that you can tell how old it is and you'll sort it for them. I'd use scale, 50/50 split!

Don't forget a little something for yourself, you know, for the effort.
45/45/10 sounds good.

[Defcon-One]

40/40/20 anyone?

[Griz44mag]

Tell these guys to put on their big boy panties and split it evenly.

I'm gonna hate saying this, but I'm with BT on that....

[crabo]

Did one of these guy's wife call in and ask them to move the deer sign?

[Lizard333]

Did one of these guy's wife call in and ask them to move the deer sign?

I just saw that video on YouTube. I laughed my but off. She actually sounded serious. She probably voted for Obama.....

[a.squibload]

The deer refuse to push the button and wait for the WALK light...

[number7tn]

i kno i kno, well almost. they are within 6 days of each others age,,, cause according to the BIBLE the earth was made in 6 days and im sure lead was part of it. as for how long they have been boolit fragments theres no telling.
anyway thats what i thank n not gonna change my mind lol.

by the way welcome to the site melchloboo .


have a great day,
GOD BLESS
Darrell

[MBTcustom]

Gosh, unless you did some tests in your climate there is no way to tell just by looking. Heck, I doubt the best equipment CSI ever had couldn't tell you that. Its too bad lead cant absorb carbon 14 because then you could conveniently say that the lead was old enough to be yours. If it was aver in question, you could do like any good scientist, retest the samples and give the answer that sounds best, but I digress.
I suppose you could get a toilet paper tube, paint it silver, and tell them its your lead tester outerer. Set down with three buckets. Inspect the boolits with the tester outerer. If its "3 months old" chunk it in one bucket. If its ">2 months old" chunk it in the other. However, if it is contaminated with aggregates and silica (which, of course, makes it dangerous to cast with!) then it goes into the third bucket which you, out of the goodness of your heart, will dispose of properly.
Just be careful with that contaminated stuff! I hear that if you handle it too much your children will be born naked and illiterate. I got that from a very reliable source, so feel free to quote me.

[a.squibload]

I hear that if you handle it too much your children will be born naked and illiterate.

Just had to quote you on that one!

[Alt767]

So I read through some of this and what I have and I thought maybe y'all might be able to point me in the right direction. I know for certain they carbon dated the lead cross on oak Island and I need this done with a Lead Ball I got lucky enough to cut through an old mesquite tree in West Texas and I cut right to the center of the ball. I'm going to try and attach a few pictures but if you guys know of anybody or who I need to contact to get this dated be much appreciated. As for at the same time I found the 1800 figure 8 lock and it's been shot with a lead bullet obviously it's got signs of it a big round indentation on the front where you put the key in about the size of probably a 45 or 50 cal roundball. I'm wanting to put this together with all the dating and stuff for the ranch owners because they allow me to cut the mesquite out there as a surprise so whatever I need to do to make this happen oh and to go along with the two skulls I found locked together two four point bucks went out at last year and died together Tangled up still have their antlers as they were found together and that's going to the landowners as well.

[Alt767]

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[Winger Ed.]

If you can find the entrance of the ball into the tree- count the rings coming out from outer end of the path it took going in
and add a few years for the hole to have closed up under the bark.
The tree should have healed, and closed up over the bullet path as it grew new rings.

I'd question, and do a little research on the Oak Island guys carbon dating Lead.
I'd heard some where they can only carbon date things that were once alive,
or had been part of living material like a plant, old blood, nerves inside teeth, or a animal part.
Maybe there was some wood around or packed in a crevice of it. But they couldn't date the Lead itself.

Counting rings on a old West Texas mesquite tree will be like counting pages on the end of a rolled up news paper.
Make a clean cut, and get it wet. That will help.

[Rickf1985]

2 guys fighting over lead from a berm split by 3-4 months, freakin' amazing. I would tell them neither of you can have it and split it up with others willing to share. But definitely leave those two out of it.

Just went back and saw how old that original post was and realized this was dredged up from the dead. But instead of deleting my post I will leave it just as an aside to how idiotic some people can be. I also wonder what the outcome of that deal was.

[Dusty Bannister]

As I recall, the purpose of the test of the lead cross was to determine the source of the lead. Having determined that location, they found the lead mine had operated within a certain span of years. There is the assumption that the cross was produced at that time. It could have just as easily been produced a few hundred years later from old ore samples. Not unlike the use of pewter being used today from melting down old stock.

Sort of like the State of CA finding lead residue along the freeways and saying it was the result of lead leaching out of tire weights, instead of the vapor of lead resulting from gasoline used for decades. "Junk Science"?

[Winger Ed.]

Just went back and saw how old that original post was and realized this was dredged up from the dead.

I noticed that too.

I was going to suggest they go to Thunder Dome! "Two go in..... One comes out"

[ulav8r]

Lead can't be carbon dated, but an accurate measurement of the other elements in the alloy "might" allow one to determine where the lead came from.

[ulav8r]

Lead can't be carbon dated, but an accurate measurement of the other elements in the alloy "might" allow one to determine where the lead came from. That is what was done on the Oak Island cross.

[oley55]

Is it possible for me to know how old harvested bullet fragments are just by looking at them? How quickly do typical lead bullet fragments turn black and oxidize in a hot southern state like Alabama?

I think we are being Trolled, but still entertaining to read the responses.