Looking for .45 ACP TC or SWC suggestions

[jld_in_IA]

Hi all,

I'm trying to find a good candidate to feed my 1911 and XD-s at the range. Unfortuantely the only .45 mold I currently have is a two banger Lee 165 gr RN.

Realizing that every gun will feed different rounds differently, can anyone offer a suggestion on a good mold for the purpose?

I've been considering an Accurate 45-190B (http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=45-190B-D.png), but if any of you have feedback on this bullet I would appreciate the info.

Thanks,

jld_in_IA

[GBertolet]

I would consider the H&G 68 or one of it's clones. It's a 200 gr SWC design that feeds in just about anything. Good for both IPSC and 50 yd NRA bullseye shooting.

[Dale53]

MY vote goes for the H&G #68. I have shot tens of thousands of these and have seen HUNDREDS of thousands of them in use. My present version is a Mihec mould (I have both a six cavity aluminum and a four cavity brass one made by Mihec). It just doesn't get any better than this for .45 ACP. Whether you are shooting target velocity at paper or full house at self defense or vermin, you can hardly do better.

I DO have and enjoy Mihec's 200 gr hollow point for particular purposes but the #68 is the thing for target use (shoots extremely well and also cuts a nice, clean, full caliber hole).

FWIW
Dale53

[H.Callahan]

I would consider the H&G 68 or one of it's clones. It's a 200 gr SWC design that feeds in just about anything. Good for both IPSC and 50 yd NRA bullseye shooting.
^^ TRVTH ^^

If you are looking at Accurate Molds, it would be the 45-200H (http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=45-200H-D.png). It is probably one of the best feeding, most accurate 45ACP boolits around.

[0verkill]

I agree with the above. I also like LEE's tumble lube 230gr truncated cone if decide on something heavier.

[fredj338]

I would consider the H&G 68 or one of it's clones. It's a 200 gr SWC design that feeds in just about anything. Good for both IPSC and 50 yd NRA bullseye shooting.

The problem is the H&G will not feed 100% in the XD, I & others have tried. So I went 200gr TCFP. The mold is from Magma but can be duplicated by other makers like MountainMolds. If you are ok w/ 230gr, then the Lee TCFP is the same design. I would go std. lube groove though, too many poor performance reports w/ the TL design.

[jld_in_IA]

Hmm.. Good information on the H&G 68. Guess I will need to see if I can trade for a few to try before I invest in the mold.

Thanks for the suggestions.

jld_in_IA

[MtGun44]

I have been told that newer XDs work fine with SWCs, a bump on the slide holds the next
up round in the mad down slightly to clear the rim from the SWC corner.

+1 on H&G 68 clone, or 452460 which is a great and accurate boolit but being a bit shorter
in the nose may not feed quite as well in a few guns.

Bill

[jld_in_IA]

Also good information. The XD-s is the somewhat new (out for 6 months or so) 45 single stack subcompact.

I was hoping that the problem with feeding H&G 68s in the regular XDs had something to do with the magazine design. They are not truely a 2-position feed (ie double stack rifle magazines - Rem 700, Win 70, Mauser 98) but rather a 1 position feed with a double stack magazine.

In the case of the XD-s, it uses a single stack magazine similar to the 1911, so I hoped it would feed reasonably well. I also wanted to stay away from the 230 gr bullets if I could because the 200 gr loads were shorter in OAL. I hoped this would allow a little tollerance in the feeding. The other side of the coin is that a shorter round will have some sharper angles it has to accomodate to feed properly.

Ok, now for the next question - does anybody have some available they would be willing to trade? I know this is not really the correct place for this request, but for the moment I can not post to the bullet exchange (post count is too low). If you're interested I can swap for NOE 360 160 SWC GCs, Lee 452-160-RFs, or Lyman 358091 WCs.

Thanks,

[Moonie]

Going to buck the trend, I like the Lee 200gr SWC non TL in 6 cavity. Accurate, decent quality since its a 6 cavity and makes tons of good boolits quickly. Mine drops them like rain and empties my 20lb pot very quickly.

[tomme boy]

Skip any of the SWC molds for the XD's. They just do not work. get TC or RN design mold.

[MikeS]

Moonie, I hate to tell you, but if you're using the Lee 200grSWC that has a conventional lube groove, you're not bucking the trend, but instead you're right in it, as that boolit is a clone of the H&G #68. It might not be the most accurate copy of the 68, but it's close enough, as it feeds as well as a 68, shoots as well as a 68, smells as well as a 68, tastes as well as a 68, so who cares if it looks slightly different?

[MtGun44]

Look at the bottom of the slide. I have not seen one, but have been told that there is
a bump just rearward of the breech face on the bottom surface to depress the top
round in the mag slightly. If you see a bump like this, it should feed SWCs.
All second hand info. My brother's older one will not properly eject SWC ammo because
the bottom of the rim of the extracted round is dragged hard over the nose of the next
up round in the mag. When the rim hits the SWC step, it pops loose from the extractor
and jams it.

Bill

[40Super]

I have the XDm45 and it feeds all ammo equal,I don't think it's ever jammed. I have the H&G #68 mold plus the Lyman version(longer nose and smaller radius os the tip) and it shot both good. As for the Accurate mold, you may also like the 45 195H, it has a short nose and will be seated to a shorte oal. It has bigger radiuses so it should feed like a RN.

[jld_in_IA]

Ok, I'm looking at the bottom of the slide. I see a ramp on the back leading edge of what I assume is the striker. That looks like it would hold down the cartridges in the magazine. If there is something else you are referring to, let me know. Here are a couple photos:

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n502/XSive_speed/2012-10-14114859_zpsac811013.jpg

http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n502/XSive_speed/2012-10-14114958_zps36f2e059.jpg

[MtGun44]

Wow. Yes, that is pretty obvious! The bump depresses the front of the top round as it
extracts the old case, avoiding banging the bottom of the rim of the extracted case
into the step of a SWC shoulder.

So that one should feed SWCs fine.

Is that an XD or XDm and what caliber?

Thanks for the good pics!

Bill

[40Super]

I have a XDm 45 and that bump isn't half that size, maybe on the service models or shorter ones it is bigger, since the front of the slide has no hood, it must be a compact. You should have no issues with swc's in that one.

[jld_in_IA]

Neither - that's the XD-s in .45 ACP. This is Springfields 3.3" single stack version. Round count is a bit limited (5+1 with standard mags, 7+1 with the extended mags), but highly concealable.

[Moonie]

Moonie, I hate to tell you, but if you're using the Lee 200grSWC that has a conventional lube groove, you're not bucking the trend, but instead you're right in it, as that boolit is a clone of the H&G #68. It might not be the most accurate copy of the 68, but it's close enough, as it feeds as well as a 68, shoots as well as a 68, smells as well as a 68, tastes as well as a 68, so who cares if it looks slightly different?

I was more referring to recommending a lee mold, I'm aware that it is a close approximation of the 68 and feeds very well when loaded to the right length.

[fredj338]

I was more referring to recommending a lee mold, I'm aware that it is a close approximation of the 68 and feeds very well when loaded to the right length.

Just not in a XD. Supposedly the XDM fixed this problem,. but 99% of XD shooters can not get a LSWC of any type to feed 100%.

[40Super]

The XDm's are fixed, even the new XD's (last couple years?) they feed most anything now, I've yet to have any type not feed reliable, even with .357 Sig barrel and a 9mm in a XDm40, I run various swc's in all calibers(not the Sig),they have been the most reliable of all my autos. Don't know for sure when the "hump" came to the XD, I think just before the XDm's were released.

[fredj338]

The XDm's are fixed, even the new XD's (last couple years?) they feed most anything now, I've yet to have any type not feed reliable, even with .357 Sig barrel and a 9mm in a XDm40, I run various swc's in all calibers(not the Sig),they have been the most reliable of all my autos. Don't know for sure when the "hump" came to the XD, I think just before the XDm's were released.

The smaller calibers were never as much of an issue feeding SWC as teh big ole 45. My XDTAC is only 3yrs old & will NOT feed a LSWC 100%, so I switched over to a 200gr LTC.

[MiHec]

I can offer you one of this

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=1883114#post1883114

works OK in XD

[Moonie]

I'd take Miha up on that one, his molds are amazing, and no wait!

[dnotarianni]

It's an XD Be a man and use a 230 RN with 5 gr of Bullseye. No such thing as a feed problem with a RN bullet.

[williamwaco]

Moonie, I hate to tell you, but if you're using the Lee 200grSWC that has a conventional lube groove, you're not bucking the trend, but instead you're right in it, as that boolit is a clone of the H&G #68. It might not be the most accurate copy of the 68, but it's close enough, as it feeds as well as a 68, shoots as well as a 68, smells as well as a 68, tastes as well as a 68, so who cares if it looks slightly different?


I too love this bullet. I too use the Lee mold.


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[Wots]

I am using the MiHec .45 200g Cramer HP mold. Still dialing it in for the XPs. So far no problems.

[jld_in_IA]

Oh no. Now I may have to pony up the cash for one of Miha's amazing molds. I'll just tell myself that its a choice between this and spending the money on j-words. After all, I have to feed the addiction somehow, don't I? Yea, that will work. Feeling better already.

Miha - you have a PM. :lovebooli

[6bg6ga]

John,

First of all a hearty hello from a fellow Iowan. If you would like to try some 200gr SWC's in your XD send me a PM and we could try to hit the range on the weekend.
I'm only a few miles away in Marion.

Joe

[40Super]

How about a new XDm 45 , 4.5 ,5.25,or 3.8(I think thats the three). Then SWC's are a guarantee, it's an excuse for another gun.

[MtGun44]

Miha Products 200 HP is an AWESOME mold and great boolit design. VERY accurate.

Bill

[jld_in_IA]

How about a new XDm 45 , 4.5 ,5.25,or 3.8(I think thats the three). Then SWC's are a guarantee, it's an excuse for another gun.

Now you're just trying to get me into trouble. :mrgreen: Actually, the XD-s that I want to feed is still new and unfired. I've been trying to solve that problem but either the schedule or the weather have been working against me for the last week since I bought it.

Of course, I have the 1911, but its a bit of a work in progress. I really need to fit a new barrel to it before I try to feed it any more cast. The factory barrel (Llama) slugged at .4535. It's actually big enough that I can drop a bore brush down the barrel and it hardly slows down before exiting the other end. The new barrel is sitting here waiting for me to get around to it. Then I need to get a bushing and a link to fit correctly. Like I said,... work in progress.