A jig I made to cut blackout cases quickly and easily

[vonzep]

We finally have a website
http://www.zepprecisionmachines.com/index.html

Sorry for the short video, I am not smart phone upload savvy...
Notice the ejection of the cut case, If you put this at the end of a bench with a bucket below it does a good job of catching them.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/vonzep/th_1347886093.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/vonzep/?action=view&current=1347886093.mp4)


No more crooked guessed cuts, you just feed it from the left and chop, then the case gets ejected out of the way. The cuts are very consistent making finished trimming a breeze.

[MBTcustom]

Clever.
So, how did you set the length? spring loaded ball in the rim groove?
Nice work!

[jmorris]

Notice the ejection of the cut case I'll say! Need some more details and photos of your holder.

[Rottweiler]

YEAH, What Jmorris said!!!

[kd185]

nice work

ive seen some guys over at ar15 made a special die to trim with there dillon trimmers

[blikseme300]

Very nice.


Bliksem
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[vonzep]

Unfortunately I am down to using my droid as the laptop is off with the kids. Posting pics is difficult. The pics are on 300blktalk but it is an ad so I dont want to post it here. Basically it is a spring loaded ball bearing that grips the rim to locate the case and then eject it if there is additional pressure to the case base. I can do about 20 cases a minute. My buddy is doing about 30 a minute but he's a beast. I know there are other cases formed from shortened parent cases and as long as they are not rimmed bigger then the outer diameter of the case the idea would work.

[yarro]

I made a similar jig to cut 50 Alaskan down to 50 Danish for my Rolling block except I have to pull the cases out due to the rim. Mine was wood because I only need to do 50 cases. Really liked the idea of it spitting the case out. Great design.

-yarro

[GRUMPA]

I'll be one to chime in on that little tool, I own one and you know what the dang thing is a blessing for me. I can get them out at a rate of 20min and that isn't even going all out on it either. When I use it I have a large pile kinda messing me up and getting in the way of things in short order. Talk about something that's so flippin easy to use and so basic in design that little thinga-ma-jig is it.

So far I've done at least 10K with it and I don't see it wearing out any too soon, he makes it so you have some adjustment for length by using slots where the mounting screws are so that's one real nice perk for me. I can't really take pictures of it right now till I get caught up on my work but take my word on this, it's an amazing little jig that once you use it you'll wonder how you can live without it type of a thing.

EDIT: I think for cutting down brass for the 300 the only thing I would do would be to order another one for that just in case moment for a back-up.:coffee:

[338RemUltraMag]

Unfortunately I am down to using my droid as the laptop is off with the kids. Posting pics is difficult. The pics are on 300blktalk but it is an ad so I dont want to post it here. Basically it is a spring loaded ball bearing that grips the rim to locate the case and then eject it if there is additional pressure to the case base. I can do about 20 cases a minute. My buddy is doing about 30 a minute but he's a beast. I know there are other cases formed from shortened parent cases and as long as they are not rimmed bigger then the outer diameter of the case the idea would work.

I use my droid 100% of the time, found an easy way for pics.

Download the photobucket app
Upload pics to the app (easy, takes em from your gallery)
Tap on uploaded photo and tap the Img link (copies)
Paste the link here in a reply

WA-LA photo/video uploaded easy! (same steps for video)

[vonzep]

Thanks mag, my biggest problem is where I touch is never where the screen accepts it. And it wont let me scroll through to edit.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/vonzep/1347829242.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/vonzep/1347829225.jpg

Some early versions.

I made the first one of these for a friend who was using a wood block. I watched him mess around for a few minutes and whipped one of these up for him. He told someone and they told someone....

[xacex]

Alright! Where do I send the check? PM me and I will have paypal coming your way if it doesn't cost me an arm, or a leg.

[338RemUltraMag]

How much are these things? My grandfather has a 300 BLK and has a jerry rigged setup on a chop saw using elmers wood glue and some scrap plywood.

[Tonto]

Do you keep the saw running for the entire time or do you stop and start for each case.....speedy trimming with that exposed blade looks a little tricky......

[vonzep]

Remember you are looking from the side with no depth perception, the angle makes it look worse too. Also notice the fingers are kept perpendicular to the jig. You have about 2-3" clearance from your finger at the closest.


If anyone is worried, just turn the saw of between cuts.

[vonzep]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/vonzep/th_1349683334.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/vonzep/?action=view&current=1349683334.mp4)



Yes I know its upside down. I have no idea why, its right on my end . Its a droid... I expect it to be screwy. As you can see a little better your fingers are nowhere near the blade.

[jmorris]

The video is fine just need better photos of the detent.

[GRUMPA]

HEY!!! vonzep, inquiring minds want to know how much your willing to part with the jig for. Talk about suspense SHEESH!!!

[vonzep]

I dont want this to become an ad. Thats why I dont want to post the link etc. Pm me if you want one.

I dont have pics of the ball bearing and spring set up. It is a simple piece but youve got to all the geometry right.

[scarry scarney]

Pm sent.

[44Vaquero]

Very clever! I may order one just incase I ever decide to load the 300!

[R.Ph. 380]

VonZep,

I bought one of these from the 300blktalk forum, but we've got a guy here might be able to use one for a different caliber. Bet he's out hunting deer or elk right now, but BTSniper is working on 400Thunder right now, a necked up 40/308. If he gets a reamer, I'm going after a barrel in that one too.

Bill

[nanuk]

does each different cartridge require a different jig?

[cylinderman]

Very nice jig, perfect for home work bench.

[vonzep]

Nanuk, it will cut whisper, fireball and blackout.

[Moonie]

pm sent

[spuddicus]

yeah, PM sent on one of these!

Edit: Funds sent as well woo

[0verkill]

I don't even load 300 Blackout, but the jig looks like a fine idea for swagers to cut cases too.
http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=179&t=80842&hilit=jig

[vonzep]

I looked at the swaging thing. I am not familiar with the idea but from what I saw I could do this in several calibers.

[Olevern]

Wow! If you ever put that ingenuity to work on one for the rimmed 30 and or 357 Herrett I'm in for one (or two).

[0verkill]

I looked at the swaging thing. I am not familiar with the idea but from what I saw I could do this in several calibers.

The only changes would be the diameter of the "collar" (or whatever you call the tubular part supporting the case) for different diameter cases, and the placement of where the detent ball catches the extractor groove for control of length. So without actually having held or saw one of your jigs in person I think you would need a new jig for each different diameter or length. That could get expensive having several built for different calibers and weights.
I've been trying to figure out a way to make something fully adjustable to get repatable straight and precise cuts. Your tool is definitely a step in the right direction. I figure the more links and the longer this thread stays on the front page, the more likely someone smarter and more skilld may see it and come up with what I'm thinking of. When I get some funds flowing in I'll get on at least to examine, may even give me an excuse to get a blackout.

[vonzep]

What case is most often cut for swagging? 9mm? The taper case may be an issue .

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[0verkill]

Taper is a problem unless you use a collet that grips the rim like Forster trimmers. There are only a truly few straight walled cases used for jackets, like 40S&W,10mm and 45ACP. The one I do the most triming of, and have a lot of problems with, is 30 Cabine to make .357 bullets. It's heavily tapered and I rarely get truly straight cuts. Maybe BTSniper could help with cases and trim lengths commonly used.

[GRUMPA]

What case is most often cut for swagging? 9mm? The taper case may be an issue .

I

The ones I know about are the 9mm and the 40cal cases and I use something I had custom made and takes me longer to put in the case than it does to trim it.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/162764ea7503a8fadb.jpg

Just hook up the power drill and away I go.

[dnmccoy]

Very clever!

[DCM]

Grumpa would that be a Fred Bertlsman trim and debur head there??

[GRUMPA]

As a matter of fact it is, I have a few of them and for what they do I actually couldn't live without them. He charges slightly more for his than a RCBS 3-way trimmer but I have a real hard time keeping brass from accumulating at the tool cutter for the O.D. on the RCBS.

With as much trimming as I do on a weekly basis I've tried both trimmers (RCBS and Fred's) and Fred's wins the contest hands down. It's to the point it takes me longer to put the case in then it does to actually trim the case. And to give you folks an idea I can go thru about 7k on a busy week, so his little trimmer head gets used alot. With Fred's trimmer I can do mine at a rate of 250pcs in just over 15min, and production for me right now is a blessing.

[Jailer]

Grumpa, where did you get that cutter?

[GRUMPA]

Grumpa, where did you get that cutter?

Just send me a PM Jailer and I'll PM you back with the e-mail address.

[41 mag fan]

Pm sent for one

[vonzep]

Ive played with the jig and the Herret looks workable. Cutting 9x19 down to 9x18 makarov does not.

My first attempt at cutting down 9mm for swagging did not work but if you want to trim it way back and then use your existing trimmer to true it then it is entirely workable. I just dont know how much time you would save.

I built a few custom ones and a 308 version works too.

[vonzep]

Ok cutting 40 S&W down works well can do about 18 a minute but they still need a .002" or so trim on something to square the case. I think that shoul help you swaggers out.

[o6Patient]

Pretty slick.

[revotrash]

I would like buy one of your jigs to make 300 aac brass

[vonzep]

Revo, just shoot me an email at vonzep58@yahoo.com I need to get up with 45 and see about vendor status. Will try this week.

[Longhill]

I got one, shipped really fast. Easy to set up, fast to insert a case and trim.
And it works great!

[orisolo]

PM Sent

[vonzep]

I also changed over to type III hard anodized finish, added a jig for 7.62x40 wt and a jig for 5.56 to 7.62x25 conversion....

[HighHook]

vonzep, great setup. pm sent to you.

[USMC87]

That is very clever work my friend.

[vonzep]

Jigs people have asked me to work on;
Herret x3
10mm case 308" projectile x2
40sw swaging
45 (45-70 etc)

If I have left someone out please let me know
I will be onto the new wildcats as soon as this batch is done, hopefully in less than 2 weeks.

[vonzep]

Got the 10 mm done and the herrett just doesnt like me. Up next are the 40sw swagers stuff

[vonzep]

Also have TCM22 figured out and working

[GRUMPA]

Also have TCM22 figured out and working
The conversion or just the cutting part?

I have folks asking for those and I can't even find a gauge for them.

[vonzep]

I have the case cutting tool. Sent out about 5 of them.I couldnt find saami specs on them.

[vonzep]

Thread for sale.


http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?208348-TCM22-7-62x25-7-62x40WT-blackout-conversion-jigs/page2

[MGySgt]

PM sent - Link doesn't work, either does the video. I know this is an old thread, but I am hoping I can still get one. (or 2)

[GRUMPA]

He still makes them, he's on more than 1 site and he can get busy. I ordered a couple more from him just recently...

[MGySgt]

Thanks Grumpa

[GRUMPA]

He makes a great jig, it's all I use for the 300BO brass I offer. I use them so much that after 100k they get rather worn out. But for me at least, I can do just over 20 per minute when I get myself paced just right. I even go through an average of 5 of those cheesy Harbor Freight cut off saws a year. Glad I bought more than I needed the last time though, they just got them in after a few months of not having them.

[jmorris]

Do you have better photos of how it works?

[vonzep]

Sorry guys, apparently the sale link went bad.

I will try to get the video back up. We are almost out of 300 jigs but I do have
40/357 sig case cutters for bullet swagging 45acp
9mm case cutters for bullet swagging 40sw
7.62x25 tok out of 5.56
TCM22 out of 5.56
7.62x40 wt

Custom 308/3006 parent case jigs

[dragon813gt]

Will the 300blk one work for cutting down 308 to make 300 Savage?

[vonzep]

Will the 300blk one work for cutting down 308 to make 300 Savage?

No, you need one of the 308 parent case jigs.

Please email me at vonzep58 yahoo.

[GRUMPA]

For the 300Sav from 308 I make I just trim them down. For what I do with those to trim them down would take me longer to do if I used a jig.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?185044-300-Savage-brass-from-308-brass

[dragon813gt]

For the 300Sav from 308 I make I just trim them down.


This is what I currently do as well. Was just wondering if I could kill two birds w/ one jig.

[GRUMPA]

I would never do that because it isn't accurate enough for me. The El-Cheapo *** chop saw moves to much for me to even give that a consideration. I use a 3-Way trimmer and it takes me longer to put the brass in the trimmer than it does for me to actually trim it....

Same thing for the 8mm conversions I do...

[dragon813gt]

Like I said I was just wondering. I have 200 pieces of converted 300 Savage brass ready to load. I finished annealing them last night. I should be good w/ brass for quite a while.

[vonzep]

For those that have asked I should have some jigs on 6-20-14 if ups runs right

[doubletap75]

money sent for blemished 300 blk jig

[ncbearman]

Got a jig to trim .40 cases. Works great. He says he has plenty. Thanks.

[just bill]

For those that have asked I should have some jigs on 6-20-14 if ups runs right
PM sent.

[ncbearman]

Hello,
Do you have one of your jigs for .308? I want to trim to 1.180 to make some 45acp shotshell cases.

Your in box is full.

[dragon813gt]

Do you have any left? I want to purchase one if you do.

[vonzep]

Sorry. On the road right now. Answer tonight

[vonzep]

We are out of normal jigs but we have "ugly ducklings jigs" that have had a machining operation done after anodizing. The anodizing is perfect in the areas that get worn and they are 100% functionally equivalent to he normal jigs. These are $31 shipped paid via paypal to vonzep58@yahoo.com


308 jigs are in the works as are more normal 300 jigs, Should be up after the holidays

In box is clear but email is always best

[Freightman]

how about a jig for 7.62x25 Tokarev brass from 223 brass

[vonzep]

how about a jig for 7.62x25 Tokarev brass from 223 brass

I can make you one from a 7.62x40 jig, you will just have two options to cut on it, 38-42mm and 23-27 mm (roughly) Or you can have a dedicated jig sometime after the holidays. Let me know!

[dragon813gt]

Just sent money for one of the Ugly Duckling jigs :)

[dragon813gt]

Received the jig today. That's what I call service :)
And if I had a 20% off HF coupon in my wallet earlier I would be cutting brass instead of typing this :(

[Racenviper]

Jigs to work on the 2.5 inch or 6 inch chop saw. Had to mod my new 2.5 chop saw to cut cleanly though 40 case.

[Charlie in Co]

Question:
1) Do you have one for 30 Herrett from 30-30
2) How about 7.65 Argentine from 30-06 ?

[dragon813gt]

Used it for the first time last weekend. It's one slick little tool. Length adjustment was driving me buts but it was 32 in the garage an my patience was thin. Cut 200 pieces in no time and they're all the same length. Couldn't be happier.

[vonzep]

Question:
1) Do you have one for 30 Herrett from 30-30
2) How about 7.65 Argentine from 30-06 ?

I tried a herrett and just didn't like the results.

we do have a jig for the Argentina.

Please email me at vonzep58@yahoo.com to get the details.

I have all my jigs in on hand right now.

40sw jigs, 9mm jigs, 22tcm, tokarov, 300 blackout, 308 based, 277 wolverine and 762x40wt.

as well as slotted Sheridan ammo gauges in 6.5 grendle, 6.8spc, .223,300 black out. Out of 308 slotted.

[vonzep]

Have it. All I would need is the finish trim length you want. (1 you said it above) and I will add appropriate slot for that cut. Email me at vonzep58@yahoo.com

[vonzep]

We finally have a web site
http://www.zepprecisionmachines.com/index.html

[vonzep]

Have a batch of them made

[vonzep]

Almost out of jigs if someone is looking.

[Handloader109]

Well just ordered a 22tcm jig, looks better than the alternative jig on that auction site:-) will see!

[vonzep]

We have some more 300, 22tcm, 7.62 tok, 277 wolverine and 7.62x40 Wilson tactical

Plus the 9mm trim jigs to swage 40 cal bullets and 40 trim jigs to swage 45 cal bullets