311299 vs 314299

[ubetcha]

Does anyone know if the only different between the two are the bigger diameter of the drive bands or is the nose and the overall dimensions bigger on the 314299.Is there maybe a advantage or disadvantage to sizing the 314299 to.310 to use in my 30-06 Ruger M77? I think my bore slugged at .308,but I would have to reslug to be sure.My alloy mix is 4-ww to 1-lino

[swheeler]

Does anyone know if the only different between the two are the bigger diameter of the drive bands or is the nose and the overall dimensions bigger on the 314299.Is there maybe a advantage or disadvantage to sizing the 314299 to.310 to use in my 30-06 Ruger M77? I think my bore slugged at .308,but I would have to reslug to be sure.My alloy mix is 4-ww to 1-lino

Ubetcha;I think you will be better served with 311-299, my 314-299 cast .303 on the nose and .315 on the bands of 50/50 ww to pb. I would guess your Ruger would require deep seating of the bullet to chamber because of the fat 30 nose.

[izzyjoe]

Ubetcha;I think you will be better served with 311-299, my 314-299 cast .303 on the nose and .315 on the bands of 50/50 ww to pb. I would guess your Ruger would require deep seating of the bullet to chamber because of the fat 30 nose.

i only have few of the 314's that a fellow cast for me, but the nose on these are .305. i think the 311 will work better for factory .30 rifles.

[Larry Gibson]

+ another on both the above answers; use the 311299.

Larry Gibson

[runfiverun]

my newish 314299 mold is 304 on the nose and almost 314 on the body with ww's and @25% soft stuff added.
now a GOOD 311 mold should make a hair over 300 on the nose and close to 311 on the body.

[ubetcha]

Thanks Guys.That would explain why I have to seat the boolits deep so the base and gas check are below the neck.I have the 314299 mainly for my 7.7mm Jap. I think I will be ordering a 311299

[runfiverun]

don't overlook the 311284 design either.

[Lance Boyle]

Sigh, this just reminds me that my new Lyman 314299 that I sent back that cast 312/.300 is still casting .314/.300 still. Seems they only fixed the bands and barely touched the nose. I haven't gotten around to sending it back for the nose job.

[ubetcha]

I do have a 311284,but again I have to seat deep.I guess just the design of the boolit or throats

[swheeler]

Hell try the 200 grain Lee, it has shot some mighty fine groups for me in many 30 cal, 3 different 06's. Mine casts .300+ nose and .310 bands, there's nothing wrong with Lee's bore ridere designs just not enough variety.

[curator]

I have 2 Lyman moulds of #311299 and one has an "bore-ride" nose section of .297 diameter and the other (2-cav) has a nose diameters of .298. Neither shoot worth a hoot in any of my .30-06 rifles. The smaller does shoot well in a Swiss 7.5X55 which has a land diameter of .297, and the other shoots OK in a .308 Savage M99 with a land diameter of .299. Most of my mil-surp .30-06s have land diameters of .301-.303. My Savage SS112 prefers the .311284 with a nose diameter of .302, and my Rock Island Springfield '03 as well as my M1917 Remington both prefer the 314299. The point is both the nose diameter and the drive band diameter is important for good accuracy. Throat diameter should be no more than .005 over drive bands and land diameter needs to be .002-5 under nose diameter to give good accuracy, assuming boolit hardness/pressure compatibility.

[Jack Stanley]

The last time I bought five Lyman molds none of them were correct for the caliber intended . One of them however while not correct for the number ( 314299 ) , it's as cast size made it very good for some other thirty caliber applications . The body casts at .3125" and the nose at .3015" . I haven't tried it in a commercial chamber , but it runs great in three different 1903A3 rifles I've tried it in .

Oddly enough my 311299 casts at .315" on the body and I use it in the Mosin :lol:

Jack

[lotech]

I've been using a 314299 for at least fifteen years in several rifles chambered in 30-40, .308, and .30-06. Alloy is WW. Bullets weigh around 203 grs. Nose is .304"+ which does require deep seating, but accuracy has been great, even after sizing a .314" bullet to .310". Have been wanting to try a 311299, but have been hesitant because it might make undersized bullets.

Though some preach against seating a gas checked bullet below the case neck, I have never encountered a problem, but I always use crimped-on checks.

[single shot jimmy]

Just got a 311299 today. Nose cast .2975 base .309. No good to me. Do I send it back to midwayusa?
Anyone try and lap a steel mold out .002".

[quasi]

N.O.E. has also made a run of 312299.

[Lance Boyle]

N.O.E. has also made a run of 312299.


I'm definitely modifying my mold buying; from now on I think I'm trying to buy custom house single cavity rifle bullet molds. That way I don't even have to worry about the difference in the two, 3 or 4 cavities. So what I take a bit longer at the bench to cast them.

That and the custom mold makers get it right or make it right real fast. Lyman has been a disappointment for me. By the time I add on the extra shipping for repeat trips I could have bought custom molds.

[rhbrink]

I'm definitely modifying my mold buying; from now on I think I'm trying to buy custom house single cavity rifle bullet molds. That way I don't even have to worry about the difference in the two, 3 or 4 cavities. So what I take a bit longer at the bench to cast them.

That and the custom mold makers get it right or make it right real fast. Lyman has been a disappointment for me. By the time I add on the extra shipping for repeat trips I could have bought custom molds.

+1 for Lance, to the heck with Lyman and RCBS isn't too far behind Saeco still makes a good mold but you can get a custom mold cheaper.

I have several custom 2 cavity molds and they cast close enough that I can't see any difference between the two cavities on the target. Just my experience your milage may vary.

RB

[Shiloh]

my newish 314299 mold is 304 on the nose and almost 314 on the body with ww's and @25% soft stuff added.
now a GOOD 311 mold should make a hair over 300 on the nose and close to 311 on the body.

Even tweaking the alloy, my 311299 would not make .300 in the nose, and barely .311
on the bands on the parting lines. I sold it. Had to go with the 314299.

Shiloh

[stocker]

My old Ideal single cavity 311299 drops Sn enriched W/W at .315 base /.304 nose. These molds and their dimensions are nothing but confusing. Mine works extremely well in my Ruger # 1 , 303 Brit. and in my son's P-14. I got it used about 20 years ago and it shows no indications of having been lapped out.