2400 loads for 45 acp?

[wayne h]

Any body have any 45acp loads using 2400,that they would like to share? i have a lot of 2400 and hope it can be used in a 45acp. thanks Wayne h

[theperfessor]

Maybe somebody will chime in. I've always been under the impression that 2400 was too slow and bulky for the relatively small .45 ACP case. Maybe with heavier bullets, seated out, and used in a revolver. Have you checked the Alliant web site to see what they recommend?

There are many better powders for .45 ACP, all of which are much faster burning and take relatively small charge weights to get good performance.

2400 would work pretty good in a .45 Colt, much bigger case to work with.

[roverboy]

I don't know what to tell you on this. 2400 is a little slow when it comes to pistol powders, and is probably to slow for good performance in a .45ACP. It might work but, I don't think your velocity would be good unless maybe in a carbine length barrel. Others with a lot more experience in ACP will have better answers. Some good powders would be 231, Unique, Herco, Bullseye, HS5, and theres others.

[btroj]

2400 isn't going to be a good powder for 45 ACP.

[44MAG#1]

I have used 2400 in the 45 acp. Kinda dirty but it will work.
PM me if you want to discuss it.
I don't want to upset the others on here.

[theperfessor]

Out of curiosity I checked the Alliant website. They don't list 2400 in .45 ACP for any bullet but they do list 15.4 grs with a 260 gr Speer LSWC in .45 Long Colt and 15.0 w/a Speer 250 gr GDHP.

Is it just me, or does it seem like they've trimmed back the on-line listings? I have a printed Alliance booklet that has way more listings of powders and cartridges.

[btroj]

I never said it can't work, just that it isn't the best choice. Big difference.

Personally, I would use something else in the 45 ACP and save the 2400 for a different cartridge.

[dubber123]

Might find a local member willing to do a swap for a faster powder.

[44MAG#1]

As I said I have used it and it will work.
PM me if you want to discuss it.
Dirty though not economical.

[theperfessor]

I know a lot of folks like 296/H-110 for magnum loads but I like 2400 a lot for .357, 41 mag, and .44 mag.

It does seem to be dirtier than a lot of powders, but I figure that's why somebody invented cleaning rods and brushes. LOL

[runfiverun]

i have seen blue got used in the 45 acp.
in fact that's what dick casull uses.
you need a 22-24 lb spring for the gun but it works.

[Char-Gar]

Folks load lots of ammo, that is far from the best way to do things. The result is patchwork, make do, slap-dash, thrown together stuff that goes bang and hurls a projectile out of the barrel. If this is your goal, then use your 2400 in the 45 ACP round.

If your goal is load good quality 45 ACP ammo, then change powders to something quicker. Bullseye, 231, Unque, AA5 and many others are far better suited to the task.

[GT27]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=138531 Some facts instead of the usual blah,blah...GT27

[44MAG#1]

2400, while not the "best" powder for the 45 ACP will do fairly well in it.
I ransom rested some at one time and while dirty (leaving grains) and not efficient it can be used to develope some decnt loads.
I have also used AA#9 and H110.
Veral Smith has made some posts on Graybeards outdoors on using AA#9 and H110 in a 45 ACP.
Of the 3 I would rather use 2400. But as said before there are better powders for the task.
But 2400 will do a decent job just not the "best" job.

Now that aspect of it Has Been Established to the satisfaction of all.

[Char-Gar]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=138531 Some facts instead of the usual blah,blah...GT27

Well, the are asserted facts and opinion passed of as facts in that thread, but few if any proven facts.

When it is all over, the bottom line in some folks load 2400 in the 45 ACP round, but even they say it is not the best idea or way to go.

[44MAG#1]

Whenit coms to ballistics and anything else that pertains to ammo there are few facts. If they were ammo loading books that were produced years a go would relivent today. Evedentally they aren't because newer one come out ever so often with different charge weights of the same powders for the same bullet weights.
If one is looking for concrete data that is factual across the board before they load anything one will not be loading.
Ever pull a couple factory loads in yur favorite caliber that are 2 different lot numbers?
What are the chance both will have the same amount of powder?
Ever chrono 2 lots of the same powder with all other components being the same back to back?
I have done that and sometimes it is an eye opener. one powder was 80 fps different another was over 100 fps.
I have data on two different lots of 2400 where the difference was close to 70 fps.
Has anyone ever checked the difference between different lots of primers with all other components being the same?
Try it.
Then there are proven FACTS?
Most reloaders need to get real. This is an ever changing undertaking. Even with the ballistic labs.
What may be a fact at 13:00 hours today in a quaint ballistic lab somewhere in the USA most likely won't be at 13:00 hours on 10-15-12. could be close but it won't a repeated fact unless lady luck is doing the testing
So with that being said if the labs cannot give "FACTS" how can the lowly reloader with what he has?
Load data is given on forums alot. Do we not trust anyone????? Just because someone is a revered poster that people "think" is the cats meow do you take their word and never question it?
Facts? Facts? Where are they?

[44MAG#1]

Another thing. Ever have the powder measure set for one lot of powder get low or run out and then check the weight of the other lot?
What did you get? The same or different?
Wonder if some beginner reloader has ever gotten low and dumped some of the same number powder but differnt lot number in and still kept on loading without checking?
They must think that there are facts in reloading.
This is just showing there are few if any facts in loading ammo.
Except one has to be careful.

[Char-Gar]

There is no need to debate what is fact and what is not fact and all of the shades of facts. I will just say that I have noticed on this site folks tend to play fast and loose with the concept of "facts".

I always have a disclaimer at the bottom of every post, so folks will know I am talking about my experience, understanding and opinions. I never claim anything I post to be any kind of absolute fact. I am not that arrogant, therefore I want all to know where I am coming from.

There are many, many dispute on this board that are presented a "battle of the facts", when they are but a "battle of opinions".

[felix]

Yeah, Charles, that's correct. Facts are limitations of truth, and therefore can only be representations of such as commonly agreed upon by man. Otherwise, there should be no difference between the two terms, fact and truth. ... felix

[44MAG#1]

Truth is a perception. Based on what we choose to believe. If we had confidence in out Dad and he told us that he killed a squirrel art 200 yards offhand with his trusty 22 RF shooting Remington Short HP's while the squirrel was on a dead run in a tree 200 feet tall we have a tendancy to believe that is the truth even though there is no evidence to back it up except his word.
Fact should or will be backed up with data or witnesses or a combination of both.
The fact that a combination of components delivered a certain result on 13:00hours today only means that was a "fact" at that time. Nothing more. Now if our perception is that is the " truth" today and tomorrow and ten years from now that is based on our perception of the fact at that time holding "true" extended into future time.
"Fact" should be reasonably provable while" truth" can be based on perception or fact or a combination of both or just on gut feeling.
Fast and loose is also a perception. to a person that is scared out of his witts to drive around a certain curve at 40 miles per hour may say a person that drives around that curve at 50 is playing "fast and loose" with his safety even though 50 may still be below a reasonable safety margin for the taking of said curve.
Perception Perception again perception.

[flounderman]

I used 2400 in a 45 acp, with I believe a 260 gr bullet for a 45 colt, shot as cast. I saw they were listing a load for a 45 rimmed using 2400. load seemed more powerful than a normal 45 acp. 2400 will work, but maybe needs a 250 gr bullet. You do want a 30lb spring with this load because it develops substantial recoil.

[Char-Gar]

I believe it was Pilate that said.."What is truth?". Folks have been trying to answer that long before Pilate and long after as well.

There are a few things everybody can agree on like water runs down hill and Austin is the capitol of Texas. Those are objective truths.

You are quite right, that when we move beyond certain few objective truthes, truth becomes a matter of perception. We take in the external world, filter it through our brain with all of it's emotions, experiences and prejudices and what comes out of the filter we call our "perception".

I would never call my perception truth or objective fact. I prefer to label it as my opinion based on my experience.

Is there something called "eternal and everlasting truth"?. Well I think there is, but when we go there, a move to religion, metaphyics and philosophy is called for.

I suppose there is scientific truth, that can be replicated 100% of the time, but 100% of those who try and replicate it, but there is nothing on this board that fits that category. That takes us back to perception and opinion, which was my point in the first place. These should not be labeled as facts.

[44MAG#1]

One can use 230 gr bullets up to 255 like the magma eng . mold. Thereis no use to use a load that will need a strong spring. I used one because of my usage of power pistol and the 950 fps or so loads with the 255 gr Magma.
A stock spring will be okay.
Start low and going up 2 tenths grain at a time until the slide seems as snappy as with factory 230 gr hardball and the powder should clean up some. IT WILL NOT BE AS CLEAN AS A MUCH FASTER POWDER MORE SUITED TO A 45 ACP but will do okay.

[MikeS]

While not 2400 I have loaded blue dot which is slightly faster than 2400, and noticed something interesting. When I loaded it in a load for my 1911 and crimped it with the usual taper crimp the load had very little recoil, and LOTS of unburned powder came out of the barrel. When I used the same load but with a boolit that had a crimp groove, and gave the cartridges a fairly heavy roll crimp (loads for my Smith 1950) the rounds had a fairly heavy recoil, and very few if any unburned powder! Just goes to show how much difference a crimp can give. So from this experience I would say that 2400 really wouldn't work good in loads for an autoloader, but if you're loading for a revolver either using moon clips, or AR brass it could work ok. I mention moon clips or 45AR brass simply because the 45ACP cylinders for single action revolvers still headspace on the case mouth just like an autoloader, so can't use a roll crimp, but the Smiths or any revolver using moon clips headspaces on the rim formed by the moon clip.

[Char-Gar]

I have used 2400 in both the 45 ACP and 45 Auto Rim cases in good strong post war Smith and Wesson DA revolvers.

A few years back Glen Fryxell sent me some 452423 hollow points he cast from an original Ideal HP mold. I pushed these to 1,150 fps over a good dose of 2400 with great accuracy and the bullets expanded very well.

I liked these so much, I had Buckshot hollow point my original Ideal SC mold (452423).

I won't list the charge as I don't want to be responsible for what folks do with such things.

But, in the 1911 pistol, no way with 2400. It will work in some limited circumstances, but why?

[GT27]

So the general consensus is yes it can be used for the 45acp in certain situations,and this one being that the OP has a supply of it, but its not a ideal powder due to case capacity,burn rate?I'm pretty sure this was his original question... GT27

[35remington]

See my comments on page 2 of the linked thread that is found on page 1 of this thread. In the autoloader you can get the same speed using half as much of a more suitable powder.

While I don't particularly care how supposedly "dirty" some powders are (because most suitable powders, no matter how old the formulation, aren't that dirty) the catch is the word "suitable."

Here we are getting outside 2400's range and yes, it's rather incomplete burning at the 800 to 850 fps of standard ball duplication loads in the 45 ACP. It's sorta like using premium gas in a Ford Escort. It will work, but it's a waste of resources. So yeah, 2400 fits the description above of "less suitable" for the 45 ACP autoloader.

Easily.

For revolvers, it has application with the heavier bullets. Ain't so great with 230 grains and under even in revolvers.

[felix]

That's right, Charles. Pilot did not know the truth even when he was staring at it directly. That is exactly why I will never, hopefully that is, entertain any earthly court proceeding. I will NEVER agree with any kind of judge's orders. Swear to the truth? It cannot be defined, right? ... felix

[Char-Gar]

Felix.. In court we swear to tell the truth. That means we swear not to lie. That does not mean we are swearing our perceptions and experiences are absolute existential truth. It the job of the attorneys to test those perceptions and experiences through direct examination and cross examination.

[felix]

Those court guys don't even know or even care for the truth, Charles! They like to deal with facts and only facts which is only THEIR opinion anyway. Their job is to convict or not, making the facts de-facto irrelevant to the truth. Pilot knew that and that's why he went with the crowd in order to maintain peace among his "slaves". ... felix

[Char-Gar]

Felix..our American legal system was designed to be an "adversarial" system with each side advocating for their point of view and their perception of what is true. The two forces grind against each other with the judge or jury deciding where the truth lies. I am familiar how these things work in other countries and our system is the most fair and has the best chance to discover the truth. No, it is not perfect by a long shot, but it is the best on earth given the earth is populated with human beings. We will have to wait until Christ comes again to have a better system.

[felix]

Amen, Charles! ... felix