Hornady Leverevolution brass short

[corvette8n]

Looks like Hornady 45-70 brass is about .060 shorter than Starline's
The left one is a once fired Leverevolution 45-70 the other is a Starline new case.
I wonder if it just the brass used for the LE rounds or is all Hornady a little shorter.
Loaded rounds are also short.

[VTDW]

The .444 is worse than that!

[Hunter]

Was function compromised? I wonder if the cases are a little shorter to accommodate the sharper meplat of the Leverevolution rounds.

[corvette8n]

I haven't reloaded them yet, I shot a box of LE, prepped the brass and
was ready to load some Ranch Dog .460 420gr tl bullets, but stopped
when I measured the cases.
I may just use the Hornady brass for plinking loads and save the Starline for the fullhouse stuff.

[VTDW]

I don't see a problem if you just use the right boolit/bullet and watch COAL. That being said, I have my LE brass seperate right now.[smilie=1:

[montana_charlie]

These large-caliber staight-walled cases often get shorter when fired for the first time...especially when the load is BP and cast bullet. Smokeless loads may act differently, I don't know.

Not knowing that...I trimmed all of my new (Bell) brass when I first got it.
I only took off enough to square all of the mouths, and (I think) that they were still 2.4 inches long (.45/90 stuff).
Now, all of the ones I have fired are 2.385"...and I am trying different methods for stretching them out to full length.

Full-length sizing, and firing with substantial neck tension, seems to work...but it takes three firings to get it done. I hate to think how much powder and lead it would take to stretch 250 cases.
And, the other thing I hate about it is I don't get tight groups when loaded that way. My good loads are 'unsized' and 'thumb seated'.

However, I may be on the verge of finding a cheap way to make a re-drawing die. The basic design I am working from will draw .45/70 out to .45/90. What I am trying to fiigure out is a 'modification' that will only stretch cases a tenth of that, or a bit less.

If it works, I'll pass it on...
CM

[7-30 Waters]

According to Hornady. Because of the length of the Lever Evolution bullets, Hornady had to shorten the cases for the Lever Evolution rounds so the cartridge would cycle. Otherwise, if the Lever Evolution bullets are loaded in standard length cases to the same seating depth, the OAL will be too long for the action.

I have no first hand experience with Hornady Lever Evolution ammo in 444, 45-70 or 450 Marlin. My Hornady Lever Evolution 35 Remington cases are standard length.

[MakeMineA10mm]

Well, although I haven't bought/fired/seen any yet, it would seem to me that there is no huge problem with a shorter case in the 444, if you want to load a heavy cast boolit, since they are often so long as to force one to crimp over the ogive due to the limited OAL requirements of the 444.

Anyone found any LeverEvolution ammo at decent prices? (I haven't.)

[nicholst55]

Anyone found any LeverEvolution ammo at decent prices? (I haven't.)


I lucked onto some at a gun shop that was going out of business. Seems like I paid $11 a box for the .45-70 stuff.

They still wanted (well) over $50 a box for their .416 Rem ammo, though. My .416 has never fired a round of factory ammo to date!

[wonderwolf]

They still wanted (well) over $50 a box for their .416 Rem ammo, though. My .416 has never fired a round of factory ammo to date!


I've run into the same thing with my 458 win mag...Stores going out..all other calibers 1/2 off except the big bore stuff. Hmmmph


Do you notice any accuracy problems with the shorter 45/70 cases? I have shom short cases that were trimmed to be used for 40-65 but were never formed..So now I have short brass. Its only about .08 shorter I think (off the top of my head...Not %100 sure though.

[TAWILDCATT]

ever shoot 38 spec in 357 mag.so whats the problem??:confused: I make 6.5 jap from 35 rem and their short 1/32.22 short in 22lr now thats short.worry about the big things like over load.and how about 45/70 in 45/90 chamber:coffee: :Fire:

[wonderwolf]

well I was just thinking that a revolver still has a considerable amount of jump between forcing cone and cylinder. I was not sure of just how critical it is. Thanks for the info.

[BluesBear]

The main selling point of the .458 Lott is that you can shoot cheaper/lighter .458 Win Mag ammo in it.

I get good accuracy with .38 Short Colt in my .357 magnum guns.

I know people who get good accuracy with .45 S&W ammo in their .454 Casull revolvers. Now I imagine that would be quite a jump in a .460 S&W Revolver.
But then again I do get plinking accuracy with both .45 S&W and .45 Colt in my .410 Contender.

As long as you watch the chambers for excess fouling everything should be fine with shorter cases.