Conspiracy theorists call 'Dark Knight' shooting a staged government plot

[WILCO]

http://www.examiner.com/article/conspiracy-theorists-call-dark-knight-shooting-a-staged-government-plot

[WILCO]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xHP3ich754

[firefly1957]

What about the media's frenzy to call for gun control and their ignoring the theater was a gun free zone? Heck they ignore that many deaths in a weekend in Chicago another gun free zone come to think of it. Think there is a common denominator here gun free zones are dangerous places to be! I got an idea lets look and see how many killings there were at the NRA convention with all those blood thirsty gun owners.....Hmmmm none what could that mean?

[gray wolf]

shooting a staged government plot

Well of course it was.

[Catshooter]

Well, it's not there hasn't been precident for this sort of thing in the past. Proven incidents.


Cat

[bruce drake]

cowards will attack where they know people can't stop them.

[Wal']

cowards will attack where they know people can't stop them.

Yup !

[Bad Water Bill]

BHOs #1 guy is now mayor of Chicago.

How does Rahw Emanual handle violence?

Please do your shooting in the alleys so you do not hit the children playing in the street.:confused:

They do not have an answer to stopping the violence other than adding more restrictive laws to the ones already being challenged in court. :confused:

As long as you are in a GUN FREE ZONE you are nothing more than a moving target in an arcade shooting gallery.

[fryboy]

just read some of the comments on the first link ....especially this excerpt

"Also, this incident also reminds me of the underware bomber incident. If you look at that story there are a lot of holes in it as well as this one. Then, before you knew it, the airport x-ray machine were relatively immediately deployed. I think the underware bomber was a sort of 'false flag' to justify the x-ray machine, both for profit and a larger agenda to increase surveillance. I do wonder, if this batman incident will lead to justification of TSA style checkpoints at malls, movie theaters, etc. - especially in light of Obama's saying "And we will take every step possible to ensure the safety of all of our people." We've heard this one before with 911 haven't we? 12 years later, are we any safer? Do we feel less threatened?"

so now they're villian-izing the dreaded black rifle , mail order ammo and pushing for tsa at various venues ( anyone remember stadiums ,hi school proms and various transits such as alalanta's subway etc ? )

edit to add a link

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

[bob208]

with the goverment i will not cross anything out. a lot of hair bran ideas have been tried by them. a lot of people have been hurt by them just doing tests.

[44man]

with the goverment i will not cross anything out. a lot of hair bran ideas have been tried by them. a lot of people have been hurt by them just doing tests.
I can't either. It is easy to find a patsy willing to die to save a frog.
Look at the nuts with suicide belts. Promise 47 virgins---or is it 74???
How about a big fat devil with a flame thrower?
But a gun has never, ever killed anyone and neither has an axe. There is always some screwball at the other end or a patriot to protect freedom.
I wish everyone in the theater would have been armed, trained right and stopped the jerk after one shot.
Defenseless people die and Obama wants all of us that way.
Nothing can stop a nut case if not detected but political correctness prevents stopping it before something happens. The guy had a smile, he is not to be tampered with.
It is like the black shot in Fla. They show a picture of him when young, never what he looked like when he was casing a neighborhood.
How can anyone buy all of those components without a trigger? It is because everyone is afraid of a lawsuit if they say anything. Just how did he get stuff for explosives? The FBI and CIA can find a flea in a million dogs but he slipped through. Or was he supplied?
It always goes both ways, a real nut by himself or a nut promoted for an agenda.

[375RUGER]

Gun free zones-magnets for violence.
That is why some people carry everywhere. as long as you don't have to draw then what people don't know..........

My guns are so evil I have to keep them locked in a safe so they don't get loose and create mayhem.

i do find it on the verge of unbelievable that no one at all was armed in that theatre or that in this day and age that no one attempted to tackle the guy. He had to reload at some point and his vision was limited to straight ahead becasue of the mask.
I know most people are sheep and like to live their lives in a happy fog thinking that evil will never find them.
I'm glad I'm a sheep dog always on the alert for the wolf. There is EVIL in the world.

WILCO,
your youtube link is only 30 seconds long, is that the one you intended to post?

[Bad Water Bill]

I wonder how many folks will file suits against the theater BECAUSE it was a gun free zone and they were not permitted to protect themselves and their loved ones?

Bet the media NEVER mentions that figure.

The theater owners should have to pay for EVERY penny of everyones medical expenses for life in some cases.

They exercised their right to make it safe for that man to do the shooting SAFELY.

Now they MUST pay for that decision.:drinks:

[gray wolf]

I am responsible for me, no one else, not the movie house, not a car if it hits me,
not if I don't cover my 6. NOTHING no one but me.
Do you think I am going to feel safe cause they say I should ?
or some singe says it's so ?

[Reg]

Normally I would never engage in such a conversation as this thinking that conspiracy theorists wore tin foil hats and drank their own bath water but could it be possible something is wrong here ? Lets go back a few years and the passing of the GCA 1968. As I recall that for some time prior to its passage, generally for no reason, there would be senseless killings using firearms. Not the normal shootings that happen every day but really bizarre type shootings that were picked up by the press and carried to great heights . Kinda like what is going on here.
While shootings like that do but really seldom happen, for some reason there was a rash of these shootings, some seeming to get worse and worse until the public out cry and the steam in Congress became such we were protected forever with that GCA 1968. After it's passage the senseless shootings for the most part seemed to go away.
The shooting here on Colorado was real, it was senseless and one can throw blame in many directions but has anyone noticed. Look at those that were interviewed especially at first, in fact the first one interviewed by sad faced Brian Williams. I have had the wits scared out of me several times and I know those brain cells get scrambled and some times you don't make a lot of sense after something traumatic. At the vary least one is shaky and it will show in ones voice or actions. Those that were interviewed were too perfect. In absolute control, almost like they were reading a script. One especially, you could just tell from the way she was dressed, the cut of her hair, her general appearance, was using words and context that no one else appearing as one such as her would ever use. Almost as bad as a phoney accent.
Perhaps it is just me. It has really been hot lately and I do not do well in heat. I do have some homemade wine cooking down in the basement and perhaps that is where I really need to be and perhaps I should just stay away from all news.

:coffeecom

[gray wolf]

You don't have to apologize for a red flag or flags going up.
If it strikes note with you--then listen to the song.

[BeeMan]

Look up false flag operation.

[firefly1957]

Well two problems ignored by the media after 14 people died . no calls to tighten the border or ban cars!
So 12 people died and the media and liberal law makers want to infringe once again on the second amendment that protects all of us allowing us to protect ourselves. Were is the out cry against cars when 14 die! It also appears they were all illegally here again if they did not sneak across our border illegally they would be alive today were is the call to strengthen the border? Oh that is right the media does not care about those issues as they wish for socialism and without gun control they can not have it!


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[heathydee]

I have often thought that the media provide part of the motivation to these mass killers . Their names , pictures and life stories are published world wide in both the print and visual media and they are given a notoriety that can only encourage the next loser/wannabe/ coward/lowlife who is sick of his own existance and wants to go out in a blaze of publicity .
There is no easy way to remove this incentive . The press have a job to do and no limits should be placed upon them .
I would like to see a day when perpertrators are only described as "the person accused" or "the person responsible"

Wishful thinking .

[Old Ironsights]

I won't utterly disregard the possibility of a False Flag operation... especially since the geeb was an OWS'er... but still...

[BD]

I agree with Heathydee. The following is an open letter from my facebook page. We'll see how far it goes. I'll try and edit the language to suit this board. Spread it around if you agree with the logic.

The events in Aurora on Friday night have me pretty upset. For several reasons. The first reason is that it seems plain to me that this type of incident could be easily reduced. See the paragraph below. The second big reason is that these terrible tragedies always result in an unthinking, knee jerk response asking for more gun control. Gun control does not work, and has absolutely nothing to do with the mass shootings of innocent people. It's not about the mag capacity. It's not about the "Assault weapons". It's all about the media. Think it through for a change.

If we want to stop this type of mass shooting, we need to remove the reward for it. The media bears 95% of the blame for this. Let me explain why: Murder has been an unfortunate part of the human condition since there we more than 2 of us on this planet. people kill each other all the time. Usually it's about money, sex or drugs, and the parties involved know each other. We're not talking about that here. Occasionally someone feels that life/work/spouse or whatever has dealt them a "shoddy" deck, so they kill the folks they're mad at. We're not talking about that here either. There are some really wacked out people who kill a series of other people for no other reason than that they get off on it. John Wayne Gacy, Carl Bundy, those guys. We're not talking about them either. What we are talking about here is the guy(s) who kill as many people as they can, not people they know, or people who they feel have done them wrong, just innocent people. They do this for the media exposure, the "infamy". If we want to stop this kind of crime, we have to stop rewarding them for their abhorrent behavior. Stop the media circus where the guy becomes famous and every aspect of his life and problems is aired nationwide for a week. Never mention the name of the perpetrator, never go into his background or grievances on the air. I've just sat through 3 days of our MSM rewarding this guy for what he's done and I'm sick to my stomach about it. THIS IS WHY THEY DO IT for god's sake. Stop the media reward. It's tantamount to screaming "FIRE" in a crowded theater.

If you really think that gun control is an issue here, I'm offering a challenge: I challenge anyone to provide a single instance where gun control worked to lower the crime rate anywhere. That's anywhere on this earth in the last 100 years. It's not like it hasn't been tried. Show me violent crime statistics prior to the institution of gun control, The institution of gun control, and lower crime statistics following the institution of gun control. I've been studying this for years and have not found a single instance, (aside from genocide, it did work for Hitler, Idi Amin and Pol Pot). Share this if you agree, or even if you don't. I serious want to get this debate on level ground where progress can be made.

[WILCO]

Look up false flag operation.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/falseflag

[Reg]

Look up false flag operation.



Hmmmmmmmmm

Better get back downstairs, the Green Apple needs racking and I need to check fermentation on the Cherry and the Plum---------------------

Safer down there.

:???:

[44man]

Nobody will follow the money trail. How can an out of work student buy so much in so short a time? CREDIT? Maybe but banks are not stupid and flags go up. You can't charge a bunch if you are out of work either.
It would take most of us 20 years to buy what he did in weeks.
He looked drugged in court. Who is drugging him? Will he live long enough to reveal anything?
Media and hero status is what drives some nuts and if it was not reported at all, it would stop.
I don't like conspiracy stuff but you need to take a hard look at Obama and the rest of them.

[BeeMan]

Actually Reg, I did not indicate where I stood on the conspiracy idea. Just thought I'd throw out something to provoke independent investigation.

I've argued against a number of conspiracy theorists over the years, but neither do I discount that devious minds have done such things. Each situation should be evaluated on its own, including the awful event in Colorado.

My personal take is that as a nation we told God to get out of our lives years ago. We are now reaping the consequences.

Devaluing of human life, poor choices without paying the consequences, entertainment without a moral compass, focus on self rather than others, lack of involvement in each others lives... small wonder a person can have such thoughts enter their mind, plan it out, and act on their plan.

This is not about a conspiracy, availability of inanimate objects that are used as weapons, or any such thing. It is evidence of a pervasive moral decay.

Challenge to all in this thread and who may read it: what are you doing to reverse the decline? Who are you impacting for the betterment of that person, as well as yourself?

BeeMan

[Reload3006]

I dont know that I am ready to jump on the conspiracy band wagon but it is awfully convenient for the anti-gunners isnt it?

[gray wolf]

Nobody will follow the money trail. How can an out of work student buy so much in so short a time? CREDIT? Maybe but banks are not stupid and flags go up. You can't charge a bunch if you are out of work either.
It would take most of us 20 years to buy what he did in weeks.
He looked drugged in court. Who is drugging him? Will he live long enough to reveal anything?
Media and hero status is what drives some nuts and if it was not reported at all, it would stop.
I don't like conspiracy stuff but you need to take a hard look at Obama and the rest of them.
Thank you sir for being a thinking soul.
The FBI had a notice not that long ago that we should watch out for a theater shooting With smoke bombs used
Funny they had a theater shooting exercise almost the same time as this mess went down.
911 we had a drill, London bombing there was a drill.
Mid 1990's World trade center bombing, FBI cooked the bomb and trained the terrorist. Look it up.
There a many holes in in this latest story if people will just open there minds.
This guy was so drugged up in court I doubt he new his name, let alone what he was involved in.
Pictures of the out side of the theater show his equipment neatly place on ht e ground in a nice straight line. No one can identify him as the shooter inside the movie--no one. Booby trap his house and then have a change of heart,
come on .??
If you don't see this conspiracy at least see the media one against guns.
Hours after this happens they know all about this guy ??
Common sense dictates we need more guns.
What next ? TSA all over your world. Malls, sporting events, theaters,
bus stations, office buildings, train stations, yada,yada,
Reality is a hard thing for some folks to except.

[Alan in Vermont]

I used to think the conspiracy theories were just lunatic rantings. Now I'm not so sure.

Too much weird stuff here to make sense of.

From what I have followed, which is not much, I see the following points;

The perp chose a venue where it was most unlikely that he might run into an armed citizen who could have wasted his sorry self.

The perp opened an exit door, blocked it open and brought his weapons in through it.

He stacked arms outside after he was done.

He was sitting in/leaning on his vehicle when the police arrived.

Now, the first item makes sense, as far as any sensible acts can be laid upon this jerk.

In this day and age, and maybe since a long time ago, most of the exit only doors I see are rigged to an alarm. More likely in a theater where you don't want one guy buying a ticket and then letting twenty buddies in by the fire door.

Pretty neat of him but how better to reinforce that he was then unarmed when LEOs arrived.

Same for sitting in the car with his hands in sight. Don't want to get shot by accident.

So, let's suppose (with the current clique in power I'm starting to "suppose" a lot more than I used to) somebody with the right connections paid this dude well to commit the crime. He has been arrested and will most likely use an insanity defense. Will he be tracked well enough so that we KNOW he's still locked up somewhere into infinity? Or maybe he gets written off as a jailhouse suicide or victim of a shanking and goes to a tropical paradise with his payoff. Or maybe he THINKS he is going to his TP and the same machine that engineered the whole mess feeds him to the fishes.

What better way to distract the public from the failings of Jughead than a highly visible, highly emotional event such as this. Takes the public mind off the real issues and substitutes another rallying point for the anti-gun messiah to get on the news with.

Are the organized political machines cold blooded enough to do something like this? Based on how corrupt the machine that spawned Jughead is on their original turf and since the entire country is now "their turf" I can't help but get a little paranoid about this.

[Bad Water Bill]

This sure got a lot of attention.

Does any one remember anything about some OLD news called "FAST AND FURIOUS"?

Didn't think so. Sweep it in the garbage can and forget it.

Now can we create a crisis to keep me in office?

[Reg]

Beeman,
What you threw out for general conversation is only another way of looking at what I was saying concerning GCA 1968. What it seemed you had is based on fact , mine ? Conjecture.
It could be the whole bunch of us are little more than chickens in the pen and a rabbit runs by.
What happened was with out any doubt a sad, sad thing. Could it have been for a purpose, I hope not. Smartest thing to do is just keep watching. Right now the press is having it's usual field day but so far other than making a lot of people excited, it dosnt really seem to be going anywhere. Lets hope it stays that way.

[Reg]

By the way , Bill.
Where can I join that great organization, Cranky Ol Bahstuds. Got a wife and kids that think I am ready.
Did I tell you about the Sand Hill Plum 2011, better than average !!

:drinks:

[firefly1957]

About my earlier post on the 14 dead in Texas now the "MEDIA" is blaming the tires! THE TIRES HAVE THEY NO SENSE THE TIRES WERE OVERLOADED WITH 23 ILLEGALS IN THE TRUCK!

[Bad Water Bill]

By the way , Bill.
Where can I join that great organization, Cranky Ol Bahstuds. Got a wife and kids that think I am ready.

:drinks:

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[Fredx10sen]

All the theaters I have been to for a long time have had alarms on those doors when opened??? I guess so people can't let their friends in. With them making such a big deal over the showing of this movie, don't you think somebody would have been watching those doors??? This is really starting to fail the smell test with so many " what ifs " Just to covenant for too many reasons. Prayers to those victims and their family's. :(

[44man]

Estimates show he spent $20,000 on what he bought. He had help. Was he brainwashed to a trigger signal?
I keep thinking about the man I bought my house from. He worked for the government but would not say a word.
He was a happy-go-lucky sort and loved his neighbors. He moved from WV to FLA but came back to visit every single person.
Then we heard he shot himself. NO, not John, he was so far from that it was never to be. I knew him well and it is a lie. He knew too much and was taken out. You do not retire from some secret government stuff, you just die.

[Old Ironsights]

Estimates show he spent $20,000 on what he bought. He had help. Was he brainwashed to a trigger signal? ...

Of course he had help.... GOVERNMENT HELP:

‘Dark Knight’ shooting suspect James Holmes earned $26,000 federal stipend (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dark-knight-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-earned-26-000-federal-stipend-article-1.1121405)

Accused “Dark Knight” gunman James Holmes was the recipient of a prestigious federal grant to attend graduate school — including a stipend for up to $26,000 for “personal expenses,” according to reports.
How he spent that money remains unclear, although Colorado authorities believe his arsenal of weapons, ammunition and equipment was worth about $15,000 — a costly sum for a 24-year-old who reportedly worked part-time at McDonald’s after earning his bachelor’s degree ... The total grant was worth $171,024 for Holmes’ first year in the program, the newspaper said, with the $21,600 stipend doled out in 12 monthly installments.

[WILCO]

Of course he had help.... GOVERNMENT HELP:

Here we go.............. MK-ULTRA. [smilie=s:

[Lloyd Smale]

Now i see there saying he didnt have a bullet proof vest. Just a tactical vest. So someone with a concealed weapon really could have stopped him

[Old Ironsights]

Here we go.............. MK-ULTRA. [smilie=s:

??? He is too young for MK-ULTRA...

My point is that he was living off of/using Federal Grant Money to fund his psychosis.

[WILCO]

??? He is too young for MK-ULTRA...



Feds don't end programs, they just change names and start dates.

[Bret4207]

Of course he had help.... GOVERNMENT HELP:

‘Dark Knight’ shooting suspect James Holmes earned $26,000 federal stipend (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dark-knight-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-earned-26-000-federal-stipend-article-1.1121405)

All the proof I need to call for outlawing the business of gov't involvement in student loans! Gov't spending created the welfare class, now gov't spending is creating the "killer class". Seems to me gov't spending is the problem!

[leftiye]

[QUOTE=Bret4207;1791178]All the proof I need to call for outlawing the business of gov't involvement in student loans! Gov't spending created the welfare class, now gov't spending is creating the "killer class". Seems to me gov't spending is the problem![/QUOTE

Let's get them out of a lot of things they don't need to have their over controlling noses in while we're at it. Most everything fits that description for me. Too much government, too many mo-mos running things.

[JIMinPHX]

"Also, this incident also reminds me of the underware bomber incident. If you look at that story there are a lot of holes in it as well as this one. Then, before you knew it, the airport x-ray machine were relatively immediately deployed. I think the underware bomber was a sort of 'false flag' to justify the x-ray machine, both for profit and a larger agenda to increase surveillance. I do wonder, if this batman incident will lead to justification of TSA style checkpoints at malls, movie theaters, etc. - especially in light of Obama's saying "And we will take every step possible to ensure the safety of all of our people." We've heard this one before with 911 haven't we? 12 years later, are we any safer? Do we feel less threatened?"
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

I think that this is the bigger issue at play here. While it is obvious from operations like Fast & Furious, that "our" government is capable of committing atrocities against the public without anyone being held responsible, it almost doesn't matter if that is the case here or not, in the grand scheme of things.

The bigger problem is that "our" government is bent on increasing it's authority over the public incrementally without end & they are being successful in that pursuit. Little by little we are being put further & further under the yoke. I remember when it was unthinkable that Russia would be more free than the USA, but that is not the case anymore. We need to stop the gradual subjugation of our country. I believe that the only way this will happen is by jailing those "leaders" that legislate us into tyranny.



What next ? TSA all over your world. Malls, sporting events, theaters,
bus stations, office buildings, train stations, yada,yada,


It would appear to me that this would be one of "our" government's goals. If they can, they would like to take all the guns from the public. If they can't do that, then they will take something else from us today & come back for the guns another day. We need to stop them from taking from us period. Guns are not the only valuable thing that we have left to loose. We have already lost much within the short span of my lifetime. It is an insult to this country's veterans that we have let things slide so far from within after they fought so hard to prevent us from suffering the same fate at the hands of outsiders.