Perfect 12ga Home Defense load

[NSP64]

I got to thinking(not always a good thing). I have a RB mold for .360 RB's for cat sneeze loads for the 38's.
So, into the dungeon I go.
After some extrapolating of load datafrom the net and reference books. VIOLA!
Using once fired ctgs I load up some 18 gr universal clays loads under 6 and 7 .360 WW RB's in claybuster waa12 copies and F 114 wads star crimped.

Gives 850 fps over the chrony for 112 foot pounds of energy per pellet
672 FtLbs/6pellet load
784 FtLbs/ 7 pellet load
:bigsmyl2:

[2ndAmendmentNut]

That should end most problems...

[NSP64]

Best thing is little recoil, so even SWMBO can use it.http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_284150017f493b43d.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5891)
The green REM shells will hold 6 nicely and the orange can fit 7.
The orange that the crimp is pushed in on have 6.

[NSP64]

so to test for pattern.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_284150017e6fe8416.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5883)
Rem 6 ball load, Imp Cyl choke, 7 yrds spread 4"
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_284150017e70014c2.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5884)
7 ball load, Imp cyl choke, 7 yrds. 4"

[NSP64]

Now to test theory
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Rem 6 ball load, rifled choke, 7 yrds, 6" spread.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_284150017efc3a152.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5886)
7 ball load, rifled choke, 7 yrds, 5" spread.

So, at inside-the house distance having a rifled choke tube installed does not cause RB loads to" fly everywhere".

[NSP64]

Then I backed up to 21 yrds(63 feet)
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_284150017efc487c5.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5887)
6 ball load, rifled choke, 21 yrds.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_284150017efc556cd.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5888)
7 ball load started to open up more.(4 down the left side, 3 up the right side) 20" from farthest points

[NSP64]

Imp Cyl choke installed at 21 yrds
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_284150017f48f3990.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5889)
6 ball load

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_284150017f492476b.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5890)
7 ball load(1 ball hole is under George)

Compared to the rifled choke at 21 yrds the Imp Cyl loads have a more uniform group/ scatter.

[hardy]

Good morning,if 21yards is 33 feet then I must be about 4 yards tall! Thought I was feeling High today.LOL Guess you meant 11 yards?? Cheers,Mike

[NSP64]

MY BAD
Correction made

[375RUGER]

Wow. is that real money? I haven't seen any in so long I don't recognize it but looks a little familiar.

[NSP64]

Wow. is that real money? I haven't seen any in so long I don't recognize it but looks a little familiar.
LOL
I was going to use a quarter for size comparison but had to adjust for inflation.

[NSP64]

I found a couple of shot after they penetrated the 3/4" plywood target holder I was using.
They could probably be loaded and shot again.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/imagehosting/thum_28415001ee2f4f032.jpg (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5898)

[frankenfab]

Neat thread. I have been contemplating getting a Mossberg 500 for shooting nothing but slugs and large buckshot. I think the clear hulls would be cool to use.

Nice work, NSP64.

[geargnasher]

Wow. is that real money? I haven't seen any in so long I don't recognize it but looks a little familiar.

None of it's "real" since we went off the gold standard.

Good work, NSP, I agree that what you have there should end most problems from a bad guy in your house. That is if racking the action and pointing it at them didn't do it in the first place.

I have a buddy that has had several altercations with local punks partying at the front gate to his property, it's set back and heavily concealed by brush and so is a popular druggy hangout and dumping spot. He comes home late at night from work, so he finally started carring his Mossberg 500 with him loaded thusly: Empty chamber (gives the unmistakable "sound effect" deterrent warning), this is followed by one rubber slug, to be fired in the air or at the closest aggressor's gut if necessary and for additional "sound effect". This is followed by a stack of 000 buck. The concept is the punks get three chances to go away before any killing happens, not counting the call to PD before he even gets out of the truck. So far producing the gun and racking in the rubber ball round loudly has proved sufficient, and another time announcing he was on the phone with the police did the trick.

Gear

[Treetop]

Excellent job, NSP64! How much do your 6 and 7 pellet loads weigh? The reason I ask is, I would have thought the velocity would have been higher with 18 gr. of Universal Clays...

Oops, never mind, I was thinking Clays, not Universal Clays! I sure wish Hodgdon would have used some different names for those two...

I have a .310 RB mold and was thinking of doing the same thing. Nine pellets fit perfectly in a AA clone wad, in a Remington Gun Club hull. My nine pellets of straight crimp on type WWs weighs 430 gr. so call it one ounce. Why wouldn't my same load of Hodgdon Clays (not Universal Clays!) that I use for my one ounce dove loads work with these? Would the extra hardness of the WW shot have any bearing on pressure. I wouldn't think so, but I would like some other opinions before I load any. Thanks, as always. Tt.

[35remington]

Treetop:

Odd. I shoot, among other things, Hornady 0 buck that weighs 49 grains per pellet in .320" diameter. This has a higher lead content than your alloy.....or it should. This totals 441 grains. You shouldn't be as close to me in weight as your are, given the different alloy and smaller diameter, but no matter. FWIW my WW cast .320" buck weigh about the same or a little less than you claim for your WW .310" buck. Dunno why. Maybe your mix has more lead in it.

Clays in about the 17 grain range would work fine with your .310 inch shot using a WAA12 wad or its low cost equivalent, like the WT12 or the Claybuster. I use 16.5 grains Red Dot myself, for about 1150 fps. But I've also used 17 grains Clays.

The hardness shouldn't have anything to do with it in terms of pressure given you're well under the maximum in pressures with such a load.. Given WW hardness or harder, I have not found the addition of buffer to improve patterns any, so you can skip that step. Has about the same spread as factory generic 00 buck. Handy load to have for plinking and what not, or even more serious stuff.

[John in WI]

I think you're right--extra hardness shouldn't be an issue with the pressure.

I looked at the Ballistics Products "Buckshot Manual" and they also say that for the most part you can take almost any lead shot load data and apply it to buckshot. The problem seems to be that buck has a lot more dead air space, so fitting the same weight into a shot cup is a problem. They say that normally the pressures for buckshot are LOWER than finer shot, all other things being equal.

Anyway--good work on the load. For HD work--that's not too far off from an entire cylinder from a .38 special.

[Treetop]

Treetop:

Odd. I shoot, among other things, Hornady 0 buck that weighs 49 grains per pellet in .320" diameter. This has a higher lead content than your alloy.....or it should. This totals 441 grains. You shouldn't be as close to me in weight as your are, given the different alloy and smaller diameter, but no matter. FWIW my WW cast .320" buck weigh about the same or a little less than you claim for your WW .310" buck. Dunno why. Maybe your mix has more lead in it.

Clays in about the 17 grain range would work fine with your .310 inch shot using a WAA12 wad or its low cost equivalent, like the WT12 or the Claybuster. I use 16.5 grains Red Dot myself, for about 1150 fps. But I've also used 17 grains Clays.

The hardness shouldn't have anything to do with it in terms of pressure given you're well under the maximum in pressures with such a load.. Given WW hardness or harder, I have not found the addition of buffer to improve patterns any, so you can skip that step. Has about the same spread as factory generic 00 buck. Handy load to have for plinking and what not, or even more serious stuff.

35remington, I agree with you. My RBs should weigh less. I cast these RBs about 20-25 years ago and they have just been sitting in a coffee can, under my loading bench since then!

It's entirely possible that I "mis-remembered" the alloy after all of these years. I will check their hardness using my Lee tester this week and let you know. I will also double check the diameters... However, they do fit snugly, but without bulging in the above mentioned case and wad. Plus, they weigh basically one ounce, so I think I can safely load these as plinkers and "in home" self defense loads.

Thanks for your reply, I couldn't think of a reason why hardness would have any effect on pressure either, but it's always nice to get a consensus. Tt.

[para45lda]

Replace the RB with a load of #8's and you've got my standard Cowboy load.

Should cover just about anything that crosses your path.

Wes

[NSP64]

Picked up a lee .310 rb mold and can stack 12 in F114 wads or 9 in claybuster waa12 copy.

Range day is monday[smilie=1:

[CTI1USNRET]

For my Stoeger 12 GA Coach Gun (reamed both barrels to CYL)

With 2 7/8" Rocky Mountain 12 GA brass hulls I use:

Win 209 Primer
3.1 cc Lee dipper of Blue Dot
a .740" (12 GA) overpowder card, (WAD-12-A at Track of the Wolf)
a .740" (12 GA) half inch fiber wad, (WAD-12-C)
12 pellets 00 buck,
a .740" (12 GA) overshot card, (WAD-12-B)
Duco Cement to glue the overshot card

For a shot cup to protect the bore, I wrap a strip of shopping bag paper twice around a dowel and fold the end closed.