Baikal 45-70 SxS

[swamp]

Just got it today. Now I have to see what it likes to shoot. I have .458 boolits in 150, 300. 400 and 500gr. I think I will regulate it with the 400 gr. and just see what it does with 150 and 300. I don't think I want to shoot too many 500gr. loads in a light rifle.

I will limit loads to under 31000 psi. That is per manufacturer.

It will be fun finally shooting a double rifle. I have given up on an H&H.

Any suggestions from those who have experience with this gun will be welcome.

swamp

[gandydancer]

Just got it today. Now I have to see what it likes to shoot. I have .458 boolits in 150, 300. 400 and 500gr. I think I will regulate it with the 400 gr. and just see what it does with 150 and 300. I don't think I want to shoot too many 500gr. loads in a light rifle.

I will limit loads to under 31000 psi. That is per manufacturer.

It will be fun finally shooting a double rifle. I have given up on an H&H.

Any suggestions from those who have experience with this gun will be welcome.

swamp
pictures man pictures. GD

[swamp]

Will post pics as soon as I get some taken.

[Chamfered]

Baikal makes some nice looking guns, and ya, they're not H & H's but they should scratch that itch pretty good. Keep us up dated on the testing. I'm curious about how the barrels are regulated. Good Luck and Congrats!

[Greg in Malad]

Swamp,
I have the Sabatti 45-70 sxs and had no problem finding loads that regulated with 300-400 grain bullets. My rifle really prefers faster burning powders such as blue dot and 2400, Trail boss is also a good one. One thing that I learned with this rifle is that given the same velocity, slower powders push the groups apart and faster powders bring them together.
Good luck and have fun.

[swamp]

Posted a couple of pics in OP. Will get some better pics taken and posted later.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

looks nice i have one of there 12ga SxS like it a lot 20"barrels its a hoot

[richhodg66]

Wow! Is this a factory offering from Baikal? I hadn't heard they were selling them. I'd love to have a double rifle. Please post range results when you can.

[MGySgt]

No - No - No

I can't afford another project/Fun gun. Still working with the Savage 340's in 30/30, Ruger GS Scout, and an NM M-14.

There just isn't enough hours in a day.

[x101airborne]

Could one with bad eyes commit heresey and mount a scope on one? Like a Leupy dangerous game 1.5 - 5x?

[swamp]

It has an 11 mm dovetail rail on it. A Picatinny rail adapter is available that mounts to the 11mm rail.
Right now I have a rear sight on the way from EAA. I plan to file it to a shallow v like I have seen on the express rifles. I will also replace the post front with a small gold or white bead. The sights on it now are a u-notch rear and post front. Hard for my eyes to line up quick. I need to find out what the front sight threads are before I get a replacement. That info should be coming with the rear that I ordered.
swamp

[Hang Fire]

Keep us posted on final range results, have often lusted after one. (at my age, gun passion is it)

Is there a means to mechanically adjust barrels to regulate?

[Skipper]

Is there a means to mechanically adjust barrels to regulate?

There is a jack screw between barrels:

http://www.eaacorp.com/Manuals/MP221_Barrel_Regulation.pdf

[junkbug]

I have a Baikal IZH 94 12 gauge over a 30-06. It also has the 11mm rail. Weaver 1" rings meant to fit the 3/8" groove on .22lr rifles fit the 11mm groove perfectly. I have an old El Paso Tx. steel tube Weaver 3x scope on mine. Not a real light scope. Have fired several hundred 30-06 cartridges, and several dozen 1 oz foster slugs out of the combo gun with the scope on, and it is holding up fine.

I can only take a few slugs at a time, due to recoil.

The placement of the rail makes scope mounting slightly challenging. The 3X Weaver works because it has no objective bell, so I can slide the scope pretty far back. With another style scope, you may need a extended, or long eye relief.

[baikal1]

Hey. I'm new here so I hope I do this right. I have a baikal sxs in 4570. The barrels regulate very well by means of a jack screw. I used a tactical rail mount from air gun source to secure a 2.5x20mm scope. This rail fits the 11mm perfect and holds tight. It has fixed rings in it and also has a rail stop adjustment that screws down into the stop hole on the baikals rail. I've only used factory ammo but I'm getting .75" 4 shot groups center to center at 50 yards. 2 shots from each barrel
The gun is based on the shotgun frame of the ij58 12ga of which I also own. The gun is quick well balanced and shoots like a dream. Should be perfect bear rig for this fall.

[rbertalotto]

I have their 12ga Bounty Hunter with 45-70 barrel liners. Still available from EAA

http://images57.fotki.com/v283/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_26811-vi.jpg

Lots more pictures here
http://public.fotki.com/Rbertalotto/things-that-go-bang/eaa-baikal-bounty-h/

[baikal1]

I have their 12ga Bounty Hunter with 45-70 barrel liners. Still available from EAA

http://images57.fotki.com/v283/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_26811-vi.jpg

Lots more pictures here
http://public.fotki.com/Rbertalotto/things-that-go-bang/eaa-baikal-bounty-h/

How does it group with the inserts? Nice looking gun. Make a nice cape gun 4570 in one tube and buckshot in the other. Thanks for posting the pic

[rbertalotto]

Thanks!

The SXS shotgun conversion will put two into a 6" circle from 50 yards every time. The inserts have eccentrics at the muzzle that you use to regulate.

http://images59.fotki.com/v111/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_2672-vi.jpg

My barrels required very little work to regulate. I shoot the Gas Checked, Ranch Dog 425 tumble lube bullet over a stout load of RL7 or 3031. Pushing around 1800fps. It gets your attention on on the back end!

http://images59.fotki.com/v112/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_2679-vi.jpg

The barrels are very heavy with the inserts so it really settles down for the second shot, and the weight tames recoil a bit. Not sure I'd want to carry this thing a few miles, but that is why God invented Gun Bearers.........

I added the sights from a bunch of parts I had in the junk drawer.

http://images52.fotki.com/v738/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_2677-vi.jpg

http://images56.fotki.com/v1599/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_2676-vi.jpg

I'm here to tell ya, nothing is more fun to shoot!.......Will be taking it Hog hunting in Texas this winter..........

[sharps4590]

swamp, congrats on your double. Have you ran any loads throught it yet and if so, what are the results? I believe you'll like the shallow V British type Express for a rear sight. My Reilley has that rear sight and it's quick and exceedingly visible. It isn't an MOA sight but excells at what it was designed for.

I got bit by the double rifle bug 40 years ago but didn't acquire my first until about 20 years ago. All that I could afford was the older ones, mostly hammer side locks in BPE cartridges. I've come to love them. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have enjoyed owning and shooting the few I own. Allow me to recommend Grahme Wright's book, "Shooting the British Double Rifle".

[Dan Cash]

Just got it today. Now I have to see what it likes to shoot. I have .458 boolits in 150, 300. 400 and 500gr. I think I will regulate it with the 400 gr. and just see what it does with 150 and 300. I don't think I want to shoot too many 500gr. loads in a light rifle.

I will limit loads to under 31000 psi. That is per manufacturer.

It will be fun finally shooting a double rifle. I have given up on an H&H.

Any suggestions from those who have experience with this gun will be welcome.

swamp

Swamp,
No experience with this gun but since you have a new passion, how about passing you Snyder stuff to me. You won't have time for both.:grin:
Dan

[swamp]

sharps4590,
I haven't shot it yet. I got another rear sight to file to a shollow vee. Am haveing trouble finding out what the front sight threds are. The front sight is hard for me to see. Narrow black post. I might just put some white paint on it so it shows up in the u notch rear.

Dan,
Sorry but I will need the Snider as a back up. How is your Snider doing?

swamp

[Danderdude]

swamp,
The front sight looks like a standard Kalashnikov sight to me. It is Russian, after all.

If it is, there are a lot of options, from cheap colorful plastic replacements (http://www.amazon.com/Tapco-5-Piece-Color-Manufactured-Composite/dp/B004RD0IOO), to high-quality posts or beads (http://www.slimstacticalguns.com/KNS-Precision-Inc-Sight-AK-4774-Black-Replacement-Front-Sight-Post-Ball-Posts-034052-and-072-Standard-Posts-034052-and-072-AKSIGHTPAK_p_24734.html), or even a duplex crosshair sight. (http://www.keepshooting.com/ak47-duplex-crosshair-sight.html)

[swamp]

Danderdude,
Thanks for the idea. I never thought of that. From the pictures the do look the same. I e-mailed the the designer at the plant in Russia, but who knows if I will get a reply. I will check localy and see if anyone has replacement sighhts and see if it fits.

[Dan Cash]

sharps4590,
Dan,
Sorry but I will need the Snider as a back up. How is your Snider doing?

swamp


Have not had time to play. One winter too much snow. Last winter, too much wind. Now too much work getting ready for our BPCR match.

Dan

[MGySgt]

Seen one at the gun show yesterday in Richmond - Very tempting. just under 900 out the door.

I was surprised at how light it was. My Savage 311 with barrels cut to 24 in is heavier than this 45/70 SXS!

[snowwolfe]

Owned a couple of Baikals but sold the 45-70 as I thought the barrels were simply to thin to be safe over the long run. Still own one in 30-06 and it will put 2 shots from each barrel into a 1 1/4 inch circle at 50 yards. All these rifles need is some trigger work and better sights. Most come with a comb to high but that is easily fixed by adding a scope or red dot.

Barrels are scary thin at the muzzle on the 45-70. Two shots from each barrel and the barrels are to hot to hold. Supposed to be safe according to the company that built them, but just didnt seem right to me.

[swamp]

I received an answer from Baikal in re the front site. Tried to post reply but will not load.

Basically they sent me detail drawings of the front post with all dimensions and thread pitch. Now all I have to do is change to inch measurements.

swamp

[MGySgt]

Well - don't keep us in suspense - let us know the answer. :)

[swamp]

Sorry about that, Chief. They are M6x0.5-6gmm. I need to see if that is the same as the AK sight post. The drawings are more detailed.

swamp

[swamp]

Checked with Baikal and the post of the AK and Baikal front sight are not the same. Diameter is , but pitch is different.
Any machinest out there that might give me an idea how much to make a bead post for this thing?

swamp

[swamp]

I got an answer from Baikal on the front sight. The diameter is the same as the AK but the pitch is different.
Any machinest out there that could give me an idea of how much to get one made?

[Bolt Action]

[I have a Baikal just like yours-same caliber. When I first shot it the results were 3 inch groups at 50 yards. Then I started playing with the adjustment screw and accuracy declined significantly. I can't keep it on paper. My target frame is a mess. Believe it or not I saw a post about an air gun scope mount that would fit the dovetail. I bought it works. I put a cheap scope on the gun. I tried to use two laser bore sights to sight it in. Didn't work very well. I have shot 300,350, 400,405 and 500 grain bullets with it. I also shot hornady leverevoltion with it. I called the factory (Hornady) and ask about that one. The gun seems sound. I shot 53 rounds one day at the range. I did let it cool often. Recoil is not that bad. Using the Lyman Reloading handbook I have shots loads up to 27100 CUP. I love the gun and it's probably the only double rifle that I can ever afford so I plan on keeping it a while. The gun I own has Remington on it, but it's imported from Bailkal. Check Garrett Cartridges. He has some eye opening facts about the 45-70 and its penetraction numbers. Good Luck.

[Aces an Eights]

:groner:
Ow hell, I thought I was saving up for a Sharps but now I want a double rifle.

Just for interest, I have an old 2006 Remmington catalogue that has "SPRs" that I am pretty sure are Baikals. The double rifle is listed as SPR22.

[softpoint]

Thanks!

The SXS shotgun conversion will put two into a 6" circle from 50 yards every time. The inserts have eccentrics at the muzzle that you use to regulate.

http://images59.fotki.com/v111/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_2672-vi.jpg

My barrels required very little work to regulate. I shoot the Gas Checked, Ranch Dog 425 tumble lube bullet over a stout load of RL7 or 3031. Pushing around 1800fps. It gets your attention on on the back end!

http://images59.fotki.com/v112/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_2679-vi.jpg

The barrels are very heavy with the inserts so it really settles down for the second shot, and the weight tames recoil a bit. Not sure I'd want to carry this thing a few miles, but that is why God invented Gun Bearers.........

I added the sights from a bunch of parts I had in the junk drawer.

http://images52.fotki.com/v738/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_2677-vi.jpg

http://images56.fotki.com/v1599/photos/2/36012/9695081/DSC_2676-vi.jpg

I'm here to tell ya, nothing is more fun to shoot!.......Will be taking it Hog hunting in Texas this winter..........

6" at 50 yards isn't bad at all from a double. I helped a friend load some ammo and sight a .500NE double that was a $25k gun and all the manufacturers guarantee was 6" at 50 yards.

[texassako]

These Baikals have always interested me since they are an inexpensive way to try a double rifle. The over/under double rifles are really odd(which I like), but I may need to find one of those Bounty Hunters with the inserts. It just looks like it means business.

[swamp]

I finally got out to shoot the SxS. Mostly just trying it out and get an idea of where it shoots. So far it is hitting pretty close at about 70 yds. Not put it on paper yet. Shooting in the hills. The best was the collar buttons. Hitting pretty close to each other.

Also tried some 300gr. and 400gr. NEI spitzers. They did ok. Next time I get out I will have to take target stand and bench and get serious.

The only problem is that I am not used to double. I found myself relosding after one shot. Too much time with single shot guns.
swamp

[groovy mike]

There is a jack screw between barrels:

http://www.eaacorp.com/Manuals/MP221_Barrel_Regulation.pdf



Thanks! Just got my rifle but it did not come with a manual.