Midway birthday order

[Olevern]

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Just got a pleasant surprise when I ordered from Midway.

Saw they had RCBS 45-75 dies on closeout at a good price and needed a couple of other things, so submitted an order.

Got the RCBS 3 die 45-75 die set, a Lyman 3 die set in 25-20, grip screw set for the Volquartsen MKII grips I picked up at a gun show that was lacking them, 2 lil dandy rotors I had on my midway wish list, a DeSantis IWB holster (suede) for the .32 Beretta which was on closeout at @ $12.00 and change and a couple of other little items I have been needing for projects.

When the order was completed I noticed every item was listed as sale price, then I realized my birthday is next week and they gave me a discount on everything for my birthday.

Gave up counting and celebrating birthdays years ago (no reason to celebrate getting still older, other than being on the grass side of the sod, in my humble estimation), however, guess there is some small positive benefit to have a birthday when you order from Midway.

Thanks, Midway.



You mean they actually had something in stock???:confused: Wow, will wonders never cease? Every time I try to place an order they have most of it back-ordered and I can never, and I do mean NEVER, place a complete order without having to leave out multiple items or pay extortionist extra shipping charges when the back-ordered items are finally sent. I am through with Midway and their two car garage warehouse, at the suggestion of some very knowledgeable fellows here I just placed my latest order with a new, to me, place (Brownells) who had everything on hand and ready to ship including the three items I needed that Midway was (as usual!) out of.

[Ickisrulz]

You mean they actually had something in stock???:confused: Wow, will wonders never cease? Every time I try to place an order they have most of it back-ordered and I can never, and I do mean NEVER, place a complete order without having to leave out multiple items or pay extortionist extra shipping charges when the back-ordered items are finally sent. I am through with Midway and their two car garage warehouse, at the suggestion of some very knowledgeable fellows here I just placed my latest order with a new, to me, place (Brownells) who had everything on hand and ready to ship including the three items I needed that Midway was (as usual!) out of.

Here we go again. Didn't we already discuss this at length?

True story:

I tried ordering a Prochrono from Grafs. It was the only thing I wanted. Grafs was out of stock (what?!). You know who had it? MidwayUSA. It was on sale too. So I got the thing from MidwayUSA shipped to me for less that Grafs' and Brownell's list prices. I got it in 4 days too.

Moral of the story: Shop around. Even with multiple shipping fees from different vendors, money can be saved.

[oldred]

Here we go again. Didn't we already discuss this at length?



Yep, we sure did and if memory serves all but a couple of the people who replied had the same problem with them!

[Ickisrulz]

Yep, we sure did and if memory serves all but a couple of the people who replied had the same problem with them!

If you spent as much time contacting someone in MidwayUSA that could change things as you did complaining about them here, you might convince them to change their policy and provide a service for the shooting community.

There are many of us here who have been happy with MidwayUSA’s service and selection over the years. One of them seems to be the originator of this thread. But you can’t just let him be happy. You had to come along and negate his claim that MidwayUSA is a good company. Why is that?

[Olevern]

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If you spent as much time contacting someone in MidwayUSA that could change things as you did complaining about them here, you might convince them to change their policy and provide a service for the shooting community.

There are many of us here who have been happy with MidwayUSA’s service and selection over the years. One of them seems to be the originator of this thread. But you can’t just let him be happy. You had to come along and negate his claim that MidwayUSA is a good company. Why is that?



Why should it upset you so much? Every single thing I said about them is simply the truth, so does the truth bother you for some reason? Large numbers of out of stock back-ordered items? Check their website! Place a complete order including the out-of-stock items and pay full additional shipping on EACH separate back ordered item as it comes in and is shipped? Call them and ask! I simply stated the problems I have with them and whether you like it or not a lot of others feel the same way, do a google search for the very things I mention and it turns up a lot of complaints.


And I did complain to them but not surprisingly I simply get a canned response that they strive to offer the best products at the best prices, ok I have no complaints about products or prices (except for the availability issue), it's customer service I have a problem with. Like I said in the other thread because of so many back ordered items I have not been able to place a single complete order in the 6 years since my first order with from them, NOT ONCE! Others both here and other sites have had the same problem but you seem to think I am being unfair by even mentioning it? Really?

[FISH4BUGS]

If you spent as much time contacting someone in MidwayUSA that could change things as you did complaining about them here, you might convince them to change their policy and provide a service for the shooting community.

There are many of us here who have been happy with MidwayUSA’s service and selection over the years. One of them seems to be the originator of this thread. But you can’t just let him be happy. You had to come along and negate his claim that MidwayUSA is a good company. Why is that?

I worked my senior year in college and after graduating at the greatest sporting goods/outdoor outfitters/gun shop in the Northeast - the Kittery Trading Post in Kittery Maine. I ran their wholesale division after graduating from college (Shawmut Distributors)
The owner, the late Kevin Adams, taught me to always listen to people that complain, especially if they take the time to write you a letter. For every one that takes the time to complain, there are 10 (or maybe 100) that are out there bad mouthing you like OldRed is doing.
OldRed: take your complaints to Midway. Find out who the owner is and write a letter. if they blow you off then complain to high heaven. If you complain, they should listen....particularly if you are one of many that have complained. Write a nice polite letter and ask them for a change in policy. Tell them what you want. I'd bet you get a personal letter from the owner.

[MBTcustom]

I took advantage of the birthday sale in December. Got a bunch of stuff that I've been wanting for a while. I dont order backordered stuff from midway or anywhere else, so I never have gotten bit by oldred syndrome (just kidding buddy!)
Got a great deal on a lot of stuff and it was on my doorstep 4 days later as usual.
I love Midways NRA roundup feature and I always contribute. It makes a huge difference for our gun rights. I dont know of any other single NRA fundraiser that has been so effective (just look at the total!)
I also like the detailed reviews that I am able to read on every product I order, many of which are written by members of this forum (dead give away when you see it spelled "boolits" ha!)
Of course, I am a little strange because money and time are not the things that I hold in the highest regard. To me, those things take a distant second to freedom, relationship, loyalty, and patriotism. Midway has gotten to the size that they are because they have supported these things and encouraged people like me to do the same, by finding creative ways to get support where it needs to go.
Of course, part of having freedom of speech is having the right to smear a company in public for wasting some time, and shipping charges while they are taking care of all these other things.
The truth is there is no sporting goods company, MidwayUSA size, that will stock everything they list in their catalog, but no other will do what Midway has done for us either, while not asking for thanks and receiving none.
Some day when America is fully converted to a socialist society, we can sit in our pile of good things and scream like a two year old about how we dont get what we want when we want it and have the full support of those around us, but since this is a free nation, and since each of us is able to express himself as controversially as we want to, with only the retaliation of those around us to worry about, I feel very inclined to tell OldRed what I think of his attacks on a good company, and how because of folks like him, all the things I love are slipping through my fingers and becoming the good 'ol days, and how much I wish he would move to Russia (where he would fit right in with his attitude and get plenty of support), and what a discredit his comments are to this forum and to conservative America as a whole, but I feel it would fall on deaf ears and give him something else to scream about,
But......since I believe in freedom of speech and do not condone fighting on someone else's thread, I will suffice it to say that I believe Midway to be an honest company that has a few honest problems like any other in this economy.
Oh and have a nice day.

[Ickisrulz]

Why should it upset you so much?

Because overall MidwayUSA is a great company. Their selection is second to none. They started the NRA-Round Up program. They provide frequent sales and coupon codes. They more than corrected the one error they made with an order I placed. They swapped products cheerfully when I screwed up an order. I could go on.

I am also bothered that although you complain openly here, you won't take the time to write and send a certified letter to the company's upper management. An e-mail is not going to cut it.

I am further bothered when a customer posts a thread saying how happy he is and you come along with bitterness trying to drive away MidwayUSA's customers. Again I ask, why?

[MBTcustom]

Because overall MidwayUSA is a great company. Their selection is second to none. They started the NRA-Round Up program. They provide frequent sales and coupon codes. They more than corrected the one error they made with an order I placed. They swapped products cheerfully when I screwed up an order. I could go on.

I am also bothered that although you complain openly here, you won't take the time to write and send a certified letter to the company's upper management. An e-mail is not going to cut it.

I am further bothered when a customer posts a thread saying how happy he is and you come along with bitterness trying to drive away MidwayUSA's customers. Again I ask, why?
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[oldred]

How many times do I have to say it? :confused: I DID COMPLAIN!!!! I E-mailed them, sent them a letter (after my first post here) and spoke with them on the phone, just WHAT else, pray tell, could be expected of me to do? I was polite in both my correspondence and my phone call, I did not get "huffy" with them or argue but I simply explained my problems and was told there was nothing they could do it was "policy" and they were not apologetic about it. EVERYTHING I said is fact, check it out, the back-order numbers are there for everyone to see and I have repeatedly said if someone don't believe what I am saying just call them. The most telling thing is that I am not alone in my complaint but they have their policies and they are not about to change them and that's their business, I do have the right however to voice my complaints.


Like I said in the other post, If you have no problem with paying $45 total (that's about what it would have come to after all had arrived) on a $219.00 order that would mail in a $5.00 flat rate box then I don't know how else to explain it to you!


Once more here are the reasons for giving up on them, I want to place an order but just like every single time I have tried in the past 6 years several items were out of stock so my choices were-


1, Place the order and pay additional shipping on EACH back-ordered item as it became available and was shipped. The last order, had I placed it, would have been over $45 dollars on the $219 since the back-ordered items were scheduled to arrive on different dates.


2, Place the orders separately as items become available and still pay the same shipping on each item, which is certainly to be expected of course but sometimes the shipping was nearly the same as the cost on some small items so this option was not very attractive either.


3, Simply wait until all the items were available and place the order then, which is what I chose to do, BUT by the time the back-ordered items were finally available two that had been available earlier are now on back-order! :veryconfu



You really don't see a problem here? A lot of other folks can.

[FISH4BUGS]

Ditto

[Ickisrulz]

How many times do I have to say it? :confused: I DID COMPLAIN!!!! I E-mailed them, sent them a letter (after my first post here) and spoke with them on the phone, just WHAT else, pray tell, could be expected of me to do?

Did you send them an actual letter or just an e-mail?

Here in post #67 you said an e-mail with implied exclusion of a letter. Now you are saying both after your "first post here."

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=153850&page=4

Letters are different than e-mails. You can actually send them to whoever you want and have them sign for it. If the underlings do not help...there are other people in the chain. Letters have weight.

But like was said in the previous thread by more than one person, if you are unhappy with MidwayUSA just move on and be done with it.

[MBTcustom]

Oldred, your whole argument is based on your not being able to save a few dollars on shipping. I am so sorry that you can't have it all, your way, right now. What you want does not exist. Midway knows that and it is ridiculous to expect it. I would love to hear your thoughts on how unfair it is to pay over $1.50 per gallon at the pump.
So when you dont get your way, you throw a tantrum and slander the folks that wouldn't treat you like royalty. Hate to tell you this, but Midway is the biggest because there are literally thousands of us who disagree with you, and understand that you pay for a service!!!

[gandydancer]

I like moxie soda.my wife does not. I drink moxie soda. my wife does not. my son buys from midway. so do I. my son buys from graf & son. so do I. I'm sorry what was the question again? GD :roll:

[oldred]

Did you send them an actual letter or just an e-mail?

Here in post #67 you said an e-mail with implied exclusion of a letter. Now you are saying both after your "first post here."

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=153850&page=4

Letters are different than e-mails. You can actually send them to whoever you want and have them sign for it. If the underlings do not help...there are other people in the chain. Letters have weight.

But like was said in the previous thread by more than one person, if you are unhappy with MidwayUSA just move on and be done with it.



Read my previous post, I said I did after my first post here (in the other thread) and I think I even mentioned doing that in one of my last posts in the other thread. I did so after being told in the other thread I was being unfair by not sending them a letter (which I agree with), It's all beside the point anyway since I should not even have to complain.


BTW, I found Brownell's prices to be higher on some items and lower on others but on average about the same, ditto for the merchandise they sell as they have items that Midway does not and Midway has some that Brownells does not. Obviously not everyone is dis-satisfied with Midway but it's just as obvious that there are others who share the frustration of finding merchandise they need and want only to be told "no we don't have any right now", which would be understandable except for the fact it happens so much. Then when that is coupled to the compounded shipping charges required to place an order that includes all the items or risk losing out on items that are in stock while waiting for those that are not it just gets to be too much! Their refusal to work with the customer on these problems is what my major complaint is about, it should only be fair to either ship the order when all items are available or at least work something out with the customer so that he/she does not get burned by extra shipping charges or lose out on items that are in stock while waiting on those that are not! Maybe when it happens to you it will become a bit easier to understand.

[Ickisrulz]

Read my previous post, I said I did after my first my first post here (in the other thread) and I think I even mentioned doing that in one of my last posts in the other thread. I did so after being told in the other thread I was being unfair by not sending them a letter (which I agree with), It's all beside the point anyway since I should not even have to complain.


This is what you said in the thread from May (your last post in the thread). That's why I asked if you sent an actual letter because back then it doesn't sound like you did:

"LOL, yes I finally did send them an E-Mail but I doubt I would have had some of you not repeatedly urged me to do so, of course that's what should have been done before getting this deep into an internet forum I just didn't expect it to go more than a reply or two."

[oldred]

Oldred, your whole argument is based on your not being able to save a few dollars on shipping. I am so sorry that you can't have it all, your way, right now. What you want does not exist. Midway knows that and it is ridiculous to expect it.



Goodsteel, I am not ignorant to how companies work nor am I being unreasonable as I deal with multiple mail/online dealers of various tools and supplies for my shop so I am well aware of how others do business, shooting supplies are just a small part of what I buy and not a single company I buy from has policies such as we have been discussing here, not one! So you think the $45+ on a $219 order that could easily ship for a fraction of that is "complaining about a few bucks"? But it's not just way too much for shipping it's the principle involved. If $45 on such a small order is OK with you fine, it's certainly not with most people and you are simply missing the point.

[oldred]

This is what you said in the thread from May (your last post in the thread). That's why I asked if you sent an actual letter because back then it doesn't sound like you did:

"LOL, yes I finally did send them an E-Mail but I doubt I would have had some of you not repeatedly urged me to do so, of course that's what should have been done before getting this deep into an internet forum I just didn't expect it to go more than a reply or two."

I said I sent them a letter AFTER being told I was being unfair in the other thread and I also said I "think I mentioned it" it the other thread but this is getting ridiculous and you are now accusing me of lying, as if my sending a letter (which I assure you I did for what that's worth) has anything to do with my complaint anyway.

[Ickisrulz]

I said I sent them a letter AFTER being told I was being unfair in the other thread and I also said I "think I mentioned it" it the other thread but this is getting ridiculous and you are now accusing me of lying, as if my sending a letter (which I assure you I did for what that's worth) has anything to do with my complaint anyway.

I'm just wondering what happened with your complaint and had questions based on your posts. I'm also curious who the snail mail letter went to and who/how they replied to your suggestions. But, I'll leave it there.

[hiram1]

You Go Goodsteel.tell us how you feel.im with you i use them a lot

[Gibson]

Moral of the story: Shop around. Even with multiple shipping fees from different vendors, money can be saved.

Vewwy good Grasshopper, much wisdom hewe! :lol:

Totally agree and have done the same often. On Midway I have never had to order anything without full knowledge of shipping fees and then a final cost. I have cancelled orders after seeing shipping fees.

All up, Midway gets most all of my business. It just works out that way.

[geargnasher]

There are shooters and reloaders in hundreds of countries around the world that WISH they could get the kind of service we get from our suppliers, and as shipped as quickly and affordably.

Gear

[MBTcustom]

I was just perusing Midway's website and did find quite a few holes in their stock......on everything hoard worthy!
Something to keep in mind is that we are heading into a tough election. You think the last one was bad? Look, if he gets in this time then he's home free and will do even more of the same thing we have seen in the last four years, but without the fear of losing another presidential election.
Better buy some of this stuff while you still can, because the closer we get to the election, the harder it will be to find basic reloading/shooting supplies and gear.

[MBTcustom]

Also this is midway's policy, clearly stated for everyone:

Out of Stock, Backorder OK - Sorry, but this product is not available for immediate shipment. The "Date expected in stock" is provided as an indicator of when we expect this to arrive from the manufacturer. It is tentative and subject to change based on information we receive from the manufacturer. We are happy to go ahead and take your order for this product and will ship it to you as soon as we receive it from the manufacturer. We will not charge your credit card until we ship the product and you will receive an email when that happens. Or, if you prefer, please use our "Notify Me" feature to receive an email alert as soon as the product arrives.
That seems pretty strait-forward to me.

[Geraldo]

oldred, nice job on highjacking a guys birthday thread. Best wishes or congrats were in order, not your self-centered rant.

[oldred]

Also this is midway's policy, clearly stated for everyone:

[Out of Stock, Backorder OK - Sorry, but this product is not available for immediate shipment. The "Date expected in stock" is provided as an indicator of when we expect this to arrive from the manufacturer. It is tentative and subject to change based on information we receive from the manufacturer. We are happy to go ahead and take your order for this product and will ship it to you as soon as we receive it from the manufacturer. We will not charge your credit card until we ship the product and you will receive an email when that happens. Or, if you prefer, please use our "Notify Me" feature to receive an email alert as soon as the product arrives.]

That seems pretty strait-forward to me.



Straight-forward, really? Only THEN, when you receive the notification that the back-ordered item has been sent, do they inform you that you have been charged shipping + handling fees again! If there is more than one item back-ordered then you will be charged for EACH one as it arrives and is sent plus if there are haz-mat fees it gets really expensive in a hurry (as happened to a poster in that other thread)! I fail to see where anyone can think that the $45+ shipping on that $219 order I mentioned is fair and that "notify me" feature is quite worthless when they finally do notify you the item is available you then find that other items you had intended to order are now back-ordered! That is exactly what has happened to me more than once so bash me if you like but everything I have been saying is true and easy to verify. They will explain the additional fees IF you ask first when placing an order that includes out-of-stock items but nowhere in that "straight-forward, clearly stated" policy does it explain about the extra costs.

[dmize]

oldred, nice job on highjacking a guys birthday thread. Best wishes or congrats were in order, not your self-centered rant.

+1:-?

[montana_charlie]

Straight-forward, really? Only THEN, when you receive the notification that the back-ordered item has been sent, do they inform you that you have been charged shipping + handling fees again!
What happens if you choose the other option?


We will not charge your credit card until we ship the product and you will receive an email when that happens. Or, if you prefer, please use our "Notify Me" feature to receive an email alert as soon as the product arrives.

If you ask to be notified as soon as the item arrives in stock, does that give you time to rethink your order before they ship it?

I ask because I am not widely experienced with the Midway backorder system, only having used it once. The item I had ordered did not come in when it had been estimated to arrive, and the additional waiting period was more that I was willing to accept.
Customer Sevice was very helpful in providing instructions (in a series of emails) that enabled me to cancel the backorder.

CM

[MBTcustom]

Straight-forward, really? Only THEN, when you receive the notification that the back-ordered item has been sent, do they inform you that you have been charged shipping + handling fees again! If there is more than one item back-ordered then you will be charged for EACH one as it arrives and is sent plus if there are haz-mat fees it gets really expensive in a hurry
So if you knew the item wasn't in stock why did you order it and put yourself in this horrible predicament?

everything I have been saying is true and easy to verify
I believe you. Anyone who orders something knowing that it is backordered and then expects the sender to either notify them in enough time that they can crawfish, or expects the company to eat the shipping, is indeed verifiably cheap!!!

so bash me if you like
Thanks, I think I will!
I derive great pleasure from shaming a two year old who is screaming because they don't get what they want when they want it, and if someone is acting the same way as a teenager or even an adult, its like icing on the cake. I enjoy making people suffer for being cheap skin flints and wanting the world handed to them on a silver platter.
You want to go ahead and backorder you stuff, knowing that they can't ship it with the rest of your order, but you don't want to pay the guy in the un-air conditioned truck to cart it to your door when it becomes available. Furthermore, you have no qualms about demanding such an unreasonable service from the one company that has done more for your shooting rights than all the others combined, even though there is no company in existence that offers as many options, that can satisfy your unreasonable request.
You antagonistically and disrespectfully hijack other peoples threads so that you can spew more of this garbage and try to ruin a good company's business.
So yes sir, I will bash you and I will put it back on you every time you feel the need to conduct yourself in this way. If you start another rant in another thread, I will simply ignore it, but if you continue to jump into other peoples threads so that you can sit down and start screaming again, I will see it and I will shame you. Larry Potterfield has done a lot for us over the years, and I will be darned if I'm going to let the likes of you slander his company behind his back over so selfish and unreasonable a complaint. I didn't mind you starting your own rant thread, but if you continue to drag your garbage outside of that place, I will be on you like a junkyard dog on a T-bone steak. Every time!!!

[oldred]

So if you knew the item wasn't in stock why did you order it and put yourself in this horrible predicament?



You evidently have terrible comprehension abilities, several times I have said I got frustrated with them because I chose to be notified when the item(s) were available only to find that two more had become back-ordered while I was waiting and had not been able to place a complete order in 6 years for this reason, is that really so hard to understand? Everything I have said about them is true and you know it so you are now resorting to name calling and trying to deride me, you resort to name calling and you think I'm being childish, it's you that's throwing a temper tantrum I have not called anyone any names. Like I said, bash away I couldn't care less and if you think $45+ shipping and handling for $219 worth of merchandise is being cheap then so be it, most people don't think that would be cheap at all.

Was I out of line posting in this thread? Obviously it was a bad decision and so no doubt I used poor judgment that time but unlike some I have tried to remain civil.

[Gibson]

To the OP:

Congrats on your order and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

To oldred:

Are saying (typing) that when one or more became available you were notified but you continued to wait until all of the back orders from the original order were in stock in order to get them all shipped together? But when the ones you were waiting on to become available, became available, then something that had become available in the past was now back to being a back order item?

Would the solution be for them to hold each item on your back order list until all were assembled and then send them out under one shipping fee? Is that what you are trying to get at?

I make a wish list. I then switch it to cart shortly before buying. I then assess the items, if one is still on back order at the exact exact time I am buying, I delete it. I then order and look elsewhere for my remaining item/s.

I see other criticism of Midway but they have been more than fair with me and I have made numerous orders.

[MBTcustom]

So you are so dead set on saving $20 on shipping that you wait for months and months trying to find that perfect opportunity to order all your stuff at once, that you miss out on the stuff that was in stock and got depleted by idiots like me who weren't willing to wait like you and just bought our stuff and called it a day. Then when you find that you just cant have it all at once, you blame the guy that sold me the stuff that you were waiting on.
I'm sorry if you think that my opinion of your actions and comments is name calling but there comes a time to call a mule stubborn, a cat lazy, and a fish smelly. Its a name; but if the shoe fits, so be it.
Your stubborn demand for the satisfaction of an unreasonable desire and the lengths you have gone to to save a few bucks on shipping takes cheap to an all new level. Not that I mind being cheap; Iv'e been known to be a little penny wise and pound foolish myself, but I never tried to cheat my way into working the system some other way than how it is set up to run.
Now, if there were an alternative, and precedent had been set by a company in this arena that could offer the broad selection of stuff that MidwayUSA does, and stock all of those things at all times, I would be having a different sort of conversation with you, my tender little piece of sirloin. (See now that was name calling!) But since no other company has managed to find a way to do that, I take issue with you putting down the one company that has come closest. Midway is the biggest and best there is, and the stuff that they offer is competitive, not overpriced like Nightlight outdoors, RedHead, Mack's Prairie Wings, etc etc etc.
What they have done is almost impossible but all you can do is gripe about the relatively low cost of getting that stuff to your door.
I would be a little ticked off if MSC industrial supply operated in this way, but that is a totally different market. Comparing Midway to that company, or one like it, is just foolish.
I'm sorry I offended you by calling you:
cheap
foolish
unreasonable
selfish
and referring to you as a piece of fine angus beef (Done purely for comic relief I assure you:lol: man I work up an apatite with all this bashing)
apparently, you can dish it out, but you cant take it. All the things I said in reference to your character are perceived by myself and others as being true. I almost have as many messages in support of your being these things, as you had on your other post in wich you bashed Midway unmercilessly. Lets see who gets a worse reaming, you or them.
:dung_hits_fan:

[oldred]

To the OP:

Congrats on your order and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

To oldred:

Are saying (typing) that when one or more became available you were notified but you continued to wait until all of the back orders from the original order were in stock in order to get them all shipped together? But when the ones you were waiting on to become available, became available, then something that had become available in the past was now back to being a back order item?

Would the solution be for them to hold each item on your back order list until all were assembled and then send them out under one shipping fee? Is that what you are trying to get at?

I make a wish list. I then switch it to cart shortly before buying. I then assess the items, if one is still on back order at the exact exact time I am buying, I delete it. I then order and look elsewhere for my remaining item/s.

I see other criticism of Midway but they have been more than fair with me and I have made numerous orders.



Yes that's about it but I think some have missed my point, it's not about one particular order or saving a buck or two, it's the simple fact that they have so many items that are back-ordered at any given time I have not even once been able to place a complete order. I have simply pointed out Midway's own stated policy but some seem to think I have no right to do that or voice my frustration with not being able to place a complete order. The last order I attempted was the one I mentioned several times that would have cost me $45 for a $219 order and without all the items it would have been useless so once more I simply opted to cancel before completion, it does get frustrating after it happens a few times. TWICE before I chose the "notify me" rather than pay shipping three times for three back-ordered items that were to be available in relatively short but separate times BUT when the notification came two of the others had been back-ordered! Apparently I have no right to be frustrated with Midway's huge back-order list and I must just be a cheap skate for refusing to pay nearly 25% shipping charges on a $200 order. The first time I ordered I did so by phone and when I read off my list to the person taking the order I was told that a box of brass I wanted was back-ordered but was scheduled to be instock within a few days and they would send it separate if I wanted, no mention of shipping. Sure enough a week later a box of 45/70 brass arrived by UPS with full shipping and handling charged to my credit card which we now know is their standard policy, my mistake there was failing to ask. I laughed that one off and thought "well that turned out to be some expensive brass I know not to do that again", someone in the other thread was surprised to find he had been charged double haz-mat fees when an order was split. Like I said I have been pointing out Midway's shipping policy and lack of stock-on-hand and some seem to be upset by that but if it's true (anyone who doubts me can call and/or just check their site) why should people get upset with someone for pointing it out?


I make a wish list. I then switch it to cart shortly before buying. I then assess the items, if one is still on back order at the exact exact time I am buying, I delete it. I then order and look elsewhere for my remaining item/s.


Yep, that's a good way to do it and sometimes that works really well just unfortunately for me my luck has not been so good, and luck does play a part in getting an order together with all the back-orders they seem to have. At least it has been for me and I have not been alone in my complaints, a bit of searching turns up a lot of the same.

[oldred]

So you are so dead set on saving $20 on shipping that you wait for months and months trying to find that perfect opportunity to order all your stuff at once, that you miss out on the stuff that was in stock and got depleted by idiots like me who weren't willing to wait like you and just bought our stuff and called it a day. Then when you find that you just cant have it all at once, you blame the guy that sold me the stuff that you were waiting on.
I'm sorry if you think that my opinion of your actions and comments is name calling but there comes a time to call a mule stubborn, a cat lazy, and a fish smelly. Its a name; but if the shoe fits, so be it.
Your stubborn demand for the satisfaction of an unreasonable desire and the lengths you have gone to to save a few bucks on shipping takes cheap to an all new level. Not that I mind being cheap; Iv'e been known to be a little penny wise and pound foolish myself, but I never tried to cheat my way into working the system some other way than how it is set up to run.
Now, if there were an alternative, and precedent had been set by a company in this arena that could offer the broad selection of stuff that MidwayUSA does, and stock all of those things at all times, I would be having a different sort of conversation with you, my tender little piece of sirloin. (See now that was name calling!) But since no other company has managed to find a way to do that, I take issue with you putting down the one company that has come closest. Midway is the biggest and best there is, and the stuff that they offer is competitive, not overpriced like Nightlight outdoors, RedHead, Mack's Prairie Wings, etc etc etc.
What they have done is almost impossible but all you can do is gripe about the relatively low cost of getting that stuff to your door.
I would be a little ticked off if MSC industrial supply operated in this way, but that is a totally different market. Comparing Midway to that company, or one like it, is just foolish.
I'm sorry I offended you by calling you:
cheap
foolish
unreasonable
selfish
and referring to you as a piece of fine angus beef (Done purely for comic relief I assure you:lol: man I work up an apatite with all this bashing)
apparently, you can dish it out, but you cant take it. All the things I said in reference to your character are perceived by myself and others as being true. I almost have as many messages in support of your being these things, as you had on your other post in wich you bashed Midway unmercilessly. Lets see who gets a worse reaming, you or them.
:dung_hits_fan:



You're getting comical now, you and someone else are throwing temper tantrums and you call me names but who's being childish? chill out it will be good for your blood pressure! You have completely missed my point but then it's obvious you don't want to understand, I never said I waited months for the perfect time to order I said I simply chose NOT to order and to buy from someone else rather than pay what amounted to 1/4 of the cost of the order and a lot of others would not pay that either. I said I waited on back-ordered items to fill the entire order because of shipping and the other items were useless without the entire order (see my previous post). So go ahead you and your buddy can pound your keyboard to pieces and call me all the names you like but I intend to remain civil which is easy to do since like I said you are getting comical now. :-)

[MBTcustom]

My blood pressure is fine. Does it really seem that comical to you? That doesn't surprise me.
You are pretty good at throwing dirt in the air and repeating orders that you almost made, but you are no blessed good at all at explaining a reasonable way that "your problem" could be fixed.
Here's pretty much what I think Midway could do to help you move on to find some other ridiculous thing to smear them over:
1. Midway could stop advertising the things that they are able to get ahold of but do not stock.
Really? good move there. That would insure that they stay the size of Brownells and have a website that's about as user friendly.
2. Midway could start stocking every blessed thing they list in their catalog and be vigilant to keep it up to snuff.
The inventory taxes levied on them would make it impossible for them to offer their products at a rate we could afford.
3. Midway could hold items and build orders for folks like you over the course of several weeks thereby making sure that you never have to pay multiple shipping charges.
Yeah right! please refer to the upshot of option #2.
4. Midway could just pay the shipping for you as an apology for inconveniencing you so heinously. Again refer to option #2 for the reason this wouldn't work.
I am a business man myself and what I know is that there is a big difference between selling commercial goods and sporting goods. With comercial goods, I charge a premium price for my work and there is no shortage of folks who understand that there are costs to doing business. The very fact that they understand this, makes us do more business and the shipping costs get smaller as quantities go up.
When selling sporting goods, I almost always am dealing with folks who are pinching every penny and they order one thing at a time for the most part. These small quantities over the spectrum of customers equals a lot of shipping charges. Most of the stuff I ship costs me 10% of my asking price in shipping. Sure I could ship you 10 gas check makers in one box, but who's got the coin to buy that many all at once? Nobody.
Midway has built a business out of doing small orders like that and they have done a bang up job of it.
I don't see where you have a leg to stand on. You can get your stuff from three diferent places and pay shiping to each one, or you can get most of your stuff from Midway and save on quite a few things that you can get all at once there. It beats the alternative!
I'm just glad that there is one place that I can get most of my stuff without having to spread my money out all over the place paying for shipping to three different companies.
Sometimes I have no choice but to deal with several places, but for the most part, I stick to Midway because they try to be everything to everybody, and they do quite a bit for our 2nd amendment rights in the process.
But, I get it, you don't care! You don't give a rats butt about what things were like before Midway came along all you care about is that you have to pay the postal service more times than you would like, and there must be something wrong with that!
Prey tell me what you would do if you were in charge of that company, in this economy, with what is at stake this year, with the hording that is going on. Please stop running the same line over and over like a broken record and tell me what you would do if you had the intelligence to start a sporting goods company of your own and get to be the size of Midway to appease a customer like yourself. And please spare me the short trite "Id just fix it by gumms" answer! Think for a moment about what you are asking and give me an intelligent answer!

[Alvarez Kelly]

I've been paying attention to this thread goodsteel, and I believe you have oldred well figured.

By the way, I have spent some money with Midway over the years... and yes I would have spent more had they had "everything" I wanted, but they didn't, so I spent some elsewhere, or I waited. That seemed like a pretty obvious solution to me at the time.

No business I know can stock everything all the time, especially when some items are being "hoarded." To expect Midway to have "in stock" everything they sell is just naive.

[Alvarez Kelly]

And to the OP, Happy Birthday! Glad you got an extra special good deal. :-)

[MBTcustom]

I wouldn't care so much, but there are just a handful of people that have done so much for me that I will go to bat for them because they went to bat for me.
Here's a short list of folks you dont screw with in my company:
Jesus Christ (My Lord and savior)
My wife and kids
45nut (Ken MFIC of cast boolits)
Larry Potterfield (founder and CEO of MidwayUSA)
Certain leaders of the NRA
My parents
My friends here and in person.
Keep your grubby comments away from the people on that list and we will be friends for a long time.

[Gibson]

I wouldn't care so much, but there are just a handful of people that have done so much for me that I will go to bat for them because they went to bat for me.
Here's a short list of folks you dont screw with in my company:
Jesus Christ (My Lord and savior)
My wife and kids
45nut (Ken MFIC of cast boolits)
Larry Potterfield (founder and CEO of MidwayUSA)
Certain leaders of the NRA
My parents
My friends here and in person.
Keep your grubby comments away from the people on that list and we will be friends for a long time.

How do I make that list? :bigsmyl2:

[waksupi]

Don't worry about perceived trolls. Usually the last view you see of them on this board, is a trail of sparks from their backside bouncing down the pavement as they leave. Didn't you see the sparks from Frank when he left? Bet he skipped for a half mile.

[giz189]

If you don't like them, don't use them. Bad mouthing someone usually shows that you would do the same for your "friends" also. Especially when they aren't around. Just is not in good taste to keep on ranting about how bad you believe you have been offended. Just my 2cents.

[geargnasher]

Frank WHO?

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