.327 federal mag

[skimmerhead]

Does anyone know where i can get some .327mag brass ? iv'e tried midway and graf, there out of stock, any ideas ?

skimmerhead

[jimb16]

I've had a tough time finding it too.

[skimmerhead]

I've had a tough time finding it too.

might have to get some factory ammo and pull the boolits out to get the brass:bigsmyl2:

skimmerhead:cbpour:

[sixshot]

Usually Freedom Arms has it in stock, you might check with them. The Eagle brand factory ammo isn't too bad a price. Loaded with a 100 gr jacketed slug. I know where there's a lot of it if you can't find any. I think I paid $27 for a box of 50.

Dick

[gunfan]

Does anyone know where i can get some .327mag brass ? iv'e tried midway and graf, there out of stock, any ideas ?

skimmerhead

In what are you shooting the ammunition?

Scott

[skimmerhead]

In what are you shooting the ammunition?

Scott
i'm waiting on delivery of a ruger GP100--4" barrel, the only thing i can shoot em with right now is a sling shot!

skimmerhead :castmine:

[gunfan]

What is the purpose of this revolver, PD or small to medium game?

Scott

[Green Frog]

When I got my Ruger BH 8-shooter, I got 327 FM brass from Freedom Arms and loaded ammo (using the same brass) from Georgia Arms, so I had once fired brass pretty quickly. :mrgreen:

Froggie

[gunfan]

If you can nail down a Ruger Stainless Blackhawk in .327 with a 5.5" barrel, you can use it to harvest deer at reasonable ranges.

Look up the .327 ballistics at www.ballisticsbytheinch.com. You'll find it quite interesting.

scott

[Guesser]

AE is going for 24.95 around here and it now comes with an 85 gr. or a 100 gr. JSP. That's how I built up my stock and polished the bore for later use w/cast boolits. Worked really well.

[skimmerhead]

What is the purpose of this revolver, PD or small to medium game?

Scott

PD i have two other GP100's in .357mag one is 6" stainless the other is a 4" blue which is my favorite carry gun, i plan on useing the .327 4" stainless to carry. i have houge exotic wood grips with hiviz sights and i love the GP100 it fits me well and i love to shoot em.

skimmerhead

[skimmerhead]

If you can nail down a Ruger Stainless Blackhawk in .327 with a 5.5" barrel, you can use it to harvest deer at reasonable ranges.

Look up the .327 ballistics at www.ballisticsbytheinch.com. You'll find it quite interesting.

scott

at first i was going to get a blackhawk but i have so many single action i decided to go with the double action.

skimmerhead

[gunfan]

PD i have two other GP100's in .357mag one is 6" stainless the other is a 4" blue which is my favorite carry gun, i plan on useing the .327 4" stainless to carry. i have houge exotic wood grips with hiviz sights and i love the GP100 it fits me well and i love to shoot em.

skimmerhead

Excellent! May I suggest that the 115-grain JHP loaded as hot as you can find them (read: American Eagle) will serve much better than those of a lighter "persuasion". Penetration should be quite good, and expansion virtually assured!

We have altered our "shooting language" to "stopping the threat" what is generally desired is to have the threat "terminated". (This is little more than a substitute for "killing" the threat).

The heavier JHP should accomplish the task.

Scott

[skimmerhead]

Excellent! May I suggest that the 115-grain JHP loaded as hot as you can find them (read: American Eagle) will serve much better than those of a lighter "persuasion". Penetration should be quite good, and expansion virtually assured!

We have altered our "shooting language" to "stopping the threat" what is generally desired is to have the threat "terminated". (This is little more than a substitute for "killing" the threat).

The heavier JHP should accomplish the task.

Scott
i have a lee 98gr swc tl that cast the nicest boolits for my .32h&r mag no sizing they drop .314 everytime i use 45/45/10 alox, johnson wax and my gun loves them. i also have a 100gr mold from accurate molds and it cast with no sizing either, i just pan lube with lars bac or carnuba red and i made a kake cutter out of a 30-06 brass it works good till i can turn one out on my lathe. i'll be looking for a 115gr mold to go with the other molds. hell if your shooting at a threat, it ain't to tickle em.
skimmerhead:cbpour:

[skimmerhead]

Usually Freedom Arms has it in stock, you might check with them. The Eagle brand factory ammo isn't too bad a price. Loaded with a 100 gr jacketed slug. I know where there's a lot of it if you can't find any. I think I paid $27 for a box of 50.

Dick
thanks sixshot, i'll check locally for factory ammo and i'll look at FA's webb site see what they have. if i don't find any i'll give you a holler. thanks for the tip

skimmerhead :smile:

[gunfan]

i have a lee 98gr swc tl that cast the nicest boolits for my .32h&r mag no sizing they drop .314 everytime i use 45/45/10 alox, johnson wax and my gun loves them. i also have a 100gr mold from accurate molds and it cast with no sizing either, i just pan lube with lars bac or carnuba red and i made a kake cutter out of a 30-06 brass it works good till i can turn one out on my lathe. i'll be looking for a 115gr mold to go with the other molds. hell if your shooting at a threat, it ain't to tickle em.
skimmerhead:cbpour:

Since you cast bullets for fun, shooting a lot of them for target practice is wonderful. When it comes to "saving your hide" it is best to shoot a hot JHP to maximize the effectiveness of the .327 Fed. Mag.

Don't let anyone tell you that the .327 Fed Mag is "just the same as the .32-20". they are deluding themselves into believing that the .32-20 could be as flat-shooting as this higher pressure cartridge. In fact, were it not for the brevity of the .32 H&R Magnum's case, the H&R can nearly eclipse the .32-20. The .327 Fed Mag. Can "take the .32 WCF to school" any day of the week. The .327 Fed. Mag. is what the .32 H&R Magnum should have been from the outset.

While there is nothing wrong with the .32-20, technology has marched on and rendered the cartridge virtually obsolete. While many insist on shooting the WCF and crowing about it. Were Elmer Keith alive today, he would heartily endorse the .327 Fed. Mag cartridge, hailing it as a obvious breakthrough in modern handgunning. (Hell, he would likely have conceived the idea himself)!

Scott

[jrayborn]

I have bought brass from Freedom Arms 3 times, but you need to call them. They are VERY easy to deal with. Also Natchez has it listed in their print catalog, but I do not know if they have any in stock.

I absolutely love my .327 GP100 and SP101. Perfection is how I would describe them.

[Shooter]

Don't let anyone tell you that the .327 Fed Mag is "just the same as the .32-20". they are deluding themselves into believing that the .32-20 could be as flat-shooting as this higher pressure cartridge. In fact, were it not for the brevity of the .32 H&R Magnum's case, the H&R can nearly eclipse the .32-20. The .327 Fed Mag. Can "take the .32 WCF to school" any day of the week.
Scott

Maybe in a revolver, but in a Contender, the .32-20 spanks the .327 badly.

[skimmerhead]

Since you cast bullets for fun, shooting a lot of them for target practice is wonderful. When it comes to "saving your hide" it is best to shoot a hot JHP to maximize the effectiveness of the .327 Fed. Mag.

Don't let anyone tell you that the .327 Fed Mag is "just the same as the .32-20". they are deluding themselves into believing that the .32-20 could be as flat-shooting as this higher pressure cartridge. In fact, were it not for the brevity of the .32 H&R Magnum's case, the H&R can nearly eclipse the .32-20. The .327 Fed Mag. Can "take the .32 WCF to school" any day of the week. The .327 Fed. Mag. is what the .32 H&R Magnum should have been from the outset.

While there is nothing wrong with the .32-20, technology has marched on and rendered the cartridge virtually obsolete. While many insist on shooting the WCF and crowing about it. Were Elmer Keith alive today, he would heartily endorse the .327 Fed. Mag cartridge, hailing it as a obvious breakthrough in modern handgunning. (Hell, he would likely have conceived the idea himself)!

Scott
as i posted earlier my favorite carry gun is my 4" GP100 .357mag. i hope the .327mag will replace it as my carry gun. when i use a gun for PD you can believe its loaded with the most devestating load i find suitable for the job. when your shooting at a threat as i said before it ain't to tickle him. my .32h&rmag is my fun to shoot gun, i like it for that purpose, allthough the .32mag is quite capable of stopping a threat, i have other guns for that purpose with the appropieate ammo. plus i don't want to shoot anyone, but if i have to i ain't gonna tickle him! i used to have my 1911 with me, then my .500mag but that was over the top for me, and i don't care for a compact semi auto. i love wheel guns. after doing much research on the ballistics of the .327mag i believe it will stop any threat to me. since i don't hunt anymore i don't have to worry about a bear. the only bear threat i need to worry about is some crack head that thinks he's a grizzlie bear. if the case should present it's self i'll give him some crack.

skimmerhead :bigsmyl2:

[gunfan]

Maybe in a revolver, but in a Contender, the .32-20 spanks the .327 badly.

Sorry, but the pressures at which both the .32-20 and .327 Fed Mag. don't bear this out. 22,000 psi does not equal 40,000 psi. No matter how hard you try, the brass of the .32 WCF is much thinner than that of the .327 Fed. Mag., and can't handle the higher pressures. You can bank on the romance of the old .32 all you like, but you cannot change/deny the immutable, irrefutable physical differences.

These tests were made in a Contender:

barrel length Federal
85 gr.
Hydra-Shok American
Eagle
100 gr.
JSP Speer
115 gr.
Gold Dot
18" 1910 2186 1880
17" n/a 2158 1848
16" 1900 2141 1894
15" n/a 2128 1875
14" 1869 2112 1816
13" n/a 2072 1815
12" 1838 2063 1785
11" n/a 2023 1773
10" 1803 1950 1738
9" n/a 1957 1727
8" 1752 1913 1681
7" n/a 1874 1659
6" 1675 1808 1639
5" 1581 1701 1535
4" 1462 1604 1451
3" 1331 1398 1316
2" 976 1056 1042

Try again.

Scott

[Guesser]

The 30 Carbine comes a lot closer to the 327 than the 32-20. I use 311316 in 30 Carb. and in 327. Makes a great combination and it's nice casting one boolit for two great cartridges, only difference is sizing.

[skimmerhead]

I have bought brass from Freedom Arms 3 times, but you need to call them. They are VERY easy to deal with. Also Natchez has it listed in their print catalog, but I do not know if they have any in stock.

I absolutely love my .327 GP100 and SP101. Perfection is how I would describe them.
i went on FA's webb site and they have primed brass ready to ship but i haven't called them yet. i used to have natchez in my favorites list, but can't find, it may have gotten deleted. i'll have to get them back on the list. thanks for the heads up.

skimmerhead:lovebooli

[Shooter]

Sorry, but the pressures at which both the .32-20 and .327 Fed Mag. don't bear this out. 22,000 psi does not equal 40,000 psi. No matter how hard you try, the brass of the .32 WCF is much thinner than that of the .327 Fed. Mag., and can't handle the higher pressures. You can bank on the romance of the old .32 all you like, but you cannot change/deny the immutable, irrefutable physical differences.

These tests were made in a Contender:

barrel length Federal
85 gr.
Hydra-Shok American
Eagle
100 gr.
JSP Speer
115 gr.
Gold Dot
18" 1910 2186 1880
17" n/a 2158 1848
16" 1900 2141 1894
15" n/a 2128 1875
14" 1869 2112 1816
13" n/a 2072 1815
12" 1838 2063 1785
11" n/a 2023 1773
10" 1803 1950 1738
9" n/a 1957 1727
8" 1752 1913 1681
7" n/a 1874 1659
6" 1675 1808 1639
5" 1581 1701 1535
4" 1462 1604 1451
3" 1331 1398 1316
2" 976 1056 1042

Try again.

Scott

You are using little bullets.
What about the 125, 150, an even 200 grain. You can duplicate the .300 Whisper in a Contender.
To be fair, with it's .308 bore, the T/C is actualy a .30-20.

[gunfan]

You are using little bullets.
What about the 125, 150, an even 200 grain. You can duplicate the .300 Whisper in a Contender.
To be fair, with it's .308 bore, the T/C is actualy a .30-20.

Rather myopic in your approach, aren't you? The brass is still thinner and the pressures lower. How many loadings are you getting from the brass? You can't make 'silk purse' from a sow's ear. The .32-20 wasn't made for larger bullets. Compare apples to apples. the 135 Killibrew bullets is about as heavy as I care to go with either cartridge. The modern brass is still superior. It bests the .30 carbine by a darned sight. (heavier weights are used in the .312" bullet diameter).

Something is "fishy" in your comparison.

Scott

[sixshot]

Just got word that Starline is making 327 brass, good news, but I'm sure it will be a long time before they make another run so anybody that needs some better jump while they can get it.

Dick

[jrayborn]

Just got word from someone reliable? I don't doubt you, just don't see anything on the Starline website and I have been on them forever to make it. I really hope they do, the Federal brass is fine, just can be hard to come by.

[Olevern]

Starline is great brass, but I read somewhere when the cartridge came out that Fed. would not license independent manufacturers to produce their propritary cartridge cases. If true, probably the only source is Fed. brass via emptying their loaded ammo. At least that is how I have been getting brass.

If anybody can confirm other, less expensive alternatives, please post it up.

[gunfan]

I happen to have spoken with Mike McNett (of Double Tap fame) and he's brewing up some 115-grain hunting loads being created for the Ruger GP100 in .327 Fed. Mag.. I don't see the round going away anytime soon.

Scott

[Dark Helmet]

Received from Starline today

Carl

We do have the 327 Fed now. The prices are as follows:



500 pcs -$110.00

1000 pcs - $193.00



Thank You

Debbie Customer Service

[jrayborn]

That is fantastic!

Thank you!

[9.3X62AL]

No experience with the 327 Federal (yet), but LOTS of time-in-grade with the 32-20 and the 32 H&R Mag. Both calibers are a delight to shoot and reload, and the H&R Mag can be augmented well past its SAAMI pressure standard in stronger handguns. I haven't done a lot of that in my S&W Model 16-4, it is superbly accurate with 100 grain castings at 1200-1250 FPS, and is an efficient small game and varmint harvester. The RCBS 98 SWC toned down to 750-800 FPS is another great combo.

Which 32-20 loading are we discussing? The 1880s-level loads are appropriate for all firearms in good order chambered in this caliber, and generate ~900 FPS with a 115 grain boolit in revolvers and about 1200-1250 FPS in carbines and rifles. The now-extinct High Velocity loadings intended for Marlin 94 and Win 92 rifles/carbines exceed 1600 FPS with this same boolit weight, and should not be fired in most revolvers.

Gunfan is correct about most 32-20 brass being thin-walled and a little weak. Starline makes this brass in sturdier fashion, and this is the case make I use for my Marlin 94CCL and 115 grainers (#311316) running 1800 FPS. Case life has been excellent (5+ loadings), and unlike their W-W/R-P counterparts the Starline brass doesn't require frequent trimming regardless of load intensity.

[2 dogs]

I dont think you are correct either Scott. When testing the 32-20 in my Buckeye it outran the 327, but not by a great deal. The limit in a strong sixgun will be the strength of the brass and that will increase by being shot in a tightly cut cylinder.

These guns really llike slow powders and HEAVY bullets! My custom Single Six 5 shot 327 got 1550 fps with 120 grain bullets. My Buckeye 32-20 shot 133 grain LBT bullets at 1540 IIRC. Those numbers intrude on 357 mag 125 grain territory. Enough to please any serious 32 man. So, the big case 32s are pretty close and the difference just may be in the individual gun. But please, dont poo poo the original 32-20. Its a dandy.

[Shooter]

Paco Kelly's level 3 loads for the .32-20 leave little to be desired.

[gunfan]

I dont think you are correct either Scott. When testing the 32-20 in my Buckeye it outran the 327, but not by a great deal. The limit in a strong sixgun will be the strength of the brass and that will increase by being shot in a tightly cut cylinder.

These guns really llike slow powders and HEAVY bullets! My custom Single Six 5 shot 327 got 1550 fps with 120 grain bullets. My Buckeye 32-20 shot 133 grain LBT bullets at 1540 IIRC. Those numbers intrude on 357 mag 125 grain territory. Enough to please any serious 32 man. So, the big case 32s are pretty close and the difference just may be in the individual gun. But please, dont poo poo the original 32-20. Its a dandy.

There's nothing wrong with the .32-20. The problem encountered is a shorter brass life. You'll get far fewer high power loadings from a .32-20 brass than those form the .327 Fed. Mag..

Modern technology strikes again.

Scott

[leftiye]

So how do you feel about the .30 carbine loaded to rifle pressures? In a Blackhawg they can be as hot as you're nutty enough to make them without bad consequences. Not suggesting anyone would expand case heads, etc you understand. They've been loaded to .327 levels since the second WW.

[gunfan]

The .30 Carbine is fine, but I doubt that the case capacity will permit the use of much heavier bullets. The .327 Federal Magnum was designed from the beginning to exceed pressures to which the .30 Carbine has been previously loaded.

Scott

[LUBEDUDE]

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[leftiye]

The .30 Carbine is fine, but I doubt that the case capacity will permit the use of much heavier bullets. The .327 Federal Magnum was designed from the beginning to exceed pressures to which the .30 Carbine has been previously loaded. Scott

Nah, .327 is rated at 44,000psi. Early in the second world war .30 carbine was loaded to 39,000 psi.. Later upped to 44,000 psi..

[dmize]

Guys, I am a 32-20 fan,I have a 32-20 Vaquero for the last 8 years,the 32 H&R cylinder that came with it is still unfired. BUT The 327 is a modern cartridge in MODERN and COMPACT weapon. How many people are going to carry a single action revolver as a CCW weapon? How many women are going to carry one in their purse?
Personally I see no need for 32's because of 357's but that is just my 4 sub 44 calber handgun owning opinion.
Lets not get into a big debate over nothing. And after THOUSANDS of 32-20 reloads,I also have a matchin Marlin 1894,the 32-20 is the BIGGEST PIA I have to reload,including 38-40 and 44-40.

[skimmerhead]

i recieved an e-mail from starline, they now have .327mag brass for sale.

skimmerhead:Fire:

[Thundarstick]

This is my first post to this forum, but I have been lurking for a long, long time.

Starline 327 Federal mag brass is no longer on my wish list, I have 500 on my kitchen table that where delivered TODAY!:-P

[gunfan]

Excellent.

Enjoy!

Scott

[ddixie884]

I, too have some of that .327 starline. It is about time they did it. I have contacted them several times to request it. I know others have, too.

[skimmerhead]

i finally got my gun and a 115gr mold from noe. now i'm having trouble finding load data for the .327mag, cast or jacketed. i went on gunloads and there wasn't anything. hogdon, alliant no help either. anyone have a source for load data?

skimmerhead

[jrayborn]

I can tell you what I have been doing is studying up on what some guys have been pushing the 32 H&R to, and then just looking all over online. Found some loads on Gunblast.com and used them. You just have to kind of look around a lot and start low.

Also there are some loads on the Alliant web page. Not much but it's a good start.

Good luck!

[frankenfab]

i finally got my gun and a 115gr mold from noe. now i'm having trouble finding load data for the .327mag, cast or jacketed. i went on gunloads and there wasn't anything. hogdon, alliant no help either. anyone have a source for load data?

skimmerhead

There's load data for 115 gr. jacketed in 327 on the Hodgdon site:

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

[Dark Helmet]

115 gr. lead data

http://www.ramshot.com/load-data/
http://www.accuratepowder.com/load-data/