Boomer's 0.434" 330 Grain GC Heavy 44 Feeler

[Boomer Mikey]

Can you guys tell 44's are my favorite caliber?

How many of you are interested in a Lee Custom 6 Cavity Mold for a 0.434" 330 Grain GC HEAVY 44 cal boolit?

The usual cost of $50.00 plus $10.00 S&H would apply for each mold.

This boolit was designed by 45 2.1 for my 444 Marlin but we added extra crimp grooves for use in the large frame 44 Magnum revolvers too. The top crimp groove is for 444's, the middle crimp groove is for lever action 44 Mag's, and the bottom crimp groove is for large frame 44 Mag's.

330 grains is considered by many to have the best velocity/weight ratio for the 444's but you must push it hard in 1:38" twist rate rifles to stabilize properly.

Some loading data for the 444: http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell444Marlin.htm
More loading data for the 444: http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/28
Some loading data for the 44 Mag: http://www.lasc.us/FryxellMarlin1894.htm
More loading data for the 44 Mag: http://www.beartoothbullets.com/tech_notes/archive_tech_notes.htm/45
More loading data for the 44 Mag: http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ammunition/make_111405/

Shooting these in a 44 Magnum revolver should be an experience to remember with full power loads. This is as heavy as I'll go in the 44's as a standard boolit.

Nothing can hide from the penetrating power of one of these at 2250 fps.

Boomer :Fire:

45 2.1's 434330-GC boolit design... thanks Bob!

[Poohgyrr]

I'm thinking of my 16" Win in .44 mag...............

It would be fun to check the trajectory of this out to 150 yards.

[2 dogs]

I would have to have one of those for my long cylinder 44.

[Boomer Mikey]

I'm thinking of my 16" Win in .44 mag...............

It would be fun to check the trajectory of this out to 150 yards.

If you trim cases to 1.275" the COL would be about 1.650" using the middle crimp groove. This length feeds fine in all my 44 Mag lever guns with a meplat of 0.325" and will fit my Ruger Vaquero's too.

It'll be interesting to see how 200 meter rams react to this launched at 1300 fps from my S&W 629 DX Classic... if there's enough elevation in the Bomar rear sight.


Boomer :Fire:

[Poohgyrr]

My checkbook is trying to hide, but I know where it's at.

:coffee:

[smilie=1:

[Johnch]

[smilie=1: You sure know how to hurt a guys wallet don't you :castmine:

Not exactly sure what I need it for
But I am game

Johnch

[Dutch4122]

Not that I have to tell you twice but, you know I'll be in. ;)

Don't know who's more excited about this design; me or the Black Shadow .444 with the 1 in 12 twist out in the gun safe.

[2 dogs]

Another article that was written can be found on Bowen Classic Arms under past press written by Ashley Emerson titled "Make Mine a 44".....where he makes an impressive case for heavy bullets in the 44 mag.

sorry, not computer savvy enough to post a link...

[Boomer Mikey]

Another article that was written can be found on Bowen Classic Arms under past press written by Ashley Emerson titled "Make Mine a 44".....where he makes an impressive case for heavy bullets in the 44 mag.

sorry, not computer savvy enough to post a link...

It looks like you're a 44 fan like myself; a great article!

I modified my 1894SS to feed 1.750" COL but I'm not confident it will stabilize 330's with its 1:38" twist rate... I guarantee you I'll try them. It shoots the Lyman 429640 290 grain bullets great - 1" groups @ 50 yards with 25 grains of 296 in Starline brass with WLP's. My S&W 629 DX Classic likes this bullet too with 24 grains of H4227 in RP cases @1.750" COL.


Here you go 2 dogs, from the Guns and Ammo Archives: http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ammunition/make_111405/

I added it to post #1 too,

Boomer :Fire:

Pictures of my 444 Marlin and 1894SS setup and a loaded round with the 429640 at 1.750" COL.

[warf73]

That would be a fun bullet burping out of my 445 Super Mag at around 1950fps.

But I don't care for all the crimp groves, I'm still fighting my last GB mold which I'm blaming all my problems on all the crimp groves. I've polished it 2x now and 5 holes still won't drop a bullet without beating the hell out the handles.

I've never had a mold be such a pain before (never had a mold with multi crimp groves either) that a little polishing or cleaning wouldn’t fix.

I’m hoping this Boomer's 434640-GC Group Buy Is Here! Will be the cure to all my problems.

Warf

[Starrbow]

What size is the meplat?

[Boomer Mikey]

What size is the meplat?

0.325"

Boomer :Fire:

[Poohgyrr]

Pictures of my 444 Marlin and 1894SS setup and a loaded round with the 429640 at 1.750" COL.


For those of us who remember, I believe this is the "Silver Boolit" used by The Lone Ranger!!

:Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

Loudmouth!

[Boomer Mikey]

That would be a fun bullet burping out of my 445 Super Mag at around 1950fps.

But I don't care for all the crimp groves, I'm still fighting my last GB mold which I'm blaming all my problems on all the crimp groves. I've polished it 2x now and 5 holes still won't drop a bullet without beating the hell out the handles.

I've never had a mold be such a pain before (never had a mold with multi crimp groves either) that a little polishing or cleaning wouldn’t fix.

I’m hoping this Boomer's 434640-GC Group Buy Is Here! Will be the cure to all my problems.

Warf

Sorry Warf, the 434640-GC mold won't be the cure for your problems.

Read all of the posts in this thread, especially the posts by MTWeatherman: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=654

Lee 6 cavity molds are considered an "unfinished product" you get to do the finish work to remove the burs.


Boomer :Fire:

[warf73]

3. Screw a 1 to 2 inch long screw into the hole in one of the bullets, wet the bullet, and sprinkle some Comet on it. Place it into the bullet cavity and with a drill at slow speed and the mould closed on the bullet, rotate the bullet in the cavity. Continue until the mould fully closes on it. (Comet as a polisher is another board members idea...don't remember who...but thanks...it works). Repeat a second time. Use another bullet for the other cavity, if you have one, and repeat. Now rinse the molds and with a toothbrush clean them. .

Has been done 2x so far and once with my lapping compound I use for lapping rings.

I also went a step further and used a propane torch on the molds to get fine burrs and still 5 holes are stuck.

I'm going to use the 400grit-lapping compound next. If this doesn’t work I'll do the comit trick one last time and then if it doesn’t work the mold is gone.

I've spent more time on this one mold so far and more time to come, than all my other molds combine. Hell I even got a rusted *** off of ebay and have had great luck with bullets falling out and looking great. All I did was the Electrolytic trick with a battery charger, and polished up the cavities with lapping compound I use on my rings.

I'll give it one more try but that’s it.

Warf

[kywoodwrkr]

Wonder how this would work in a Swiss Vetterli?
Please someone, don't tell me it might!
Have another BIG bullet I'm involved in as well.
25 ACP. :mrgreen:
Oh well, it's only money, right?
DaveP kywoodwrkr

[targetshootr]

When you lap cavities with Comet, does it make them bigger too?

[Boomer Mikey]

When you lap cavities with Comet, does it make them bigger too?

I'm sure it does but not an amount you can measure if you're careful. If you read the thread, you'll see it takes a long time to remove 0.0005" with 320 grit lapping compound and I'll guess that Comet is 2400 grit... just polishing the cavities to remove wire edges.


Boomer :Fire:

[Andy_P]

Wonder how this would work in a Swiss Vetterli?
Please someone, don't tell me it might!
Have another BIG bullet I'm involved in as well.
25 ACP. :mrgreen:
Oh well, it's only money, right?
DaveP kywoodwrkr


It might well work. You need a loaded OAL of 2.200", and so you'd want brass about 1.750" long if you were to use the lowest crimp groove. Some chambers will allow brass that long, some won't.

[happie2shoot]

can we see the measurements please

[Boomer Mikey]

can we see the measurements please

The 434330-GC is specified at a 0.434" diameter with crimp grooves at 0.315", 0.383" and 0.450" down from the 0.325” meplat with an oal of 0.880".

Boomer :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

I'll let this run another week, I count 7 people with an interest. If the number reaches 10 in the next week I'll run the buy; otherwise, I'll see how many are interested in another month or two.

Boomer :Fire:

[405 WCF]

Perfect!!!
I am in!!!!!:Fire:

[samme]

me too
samme

[Lloyd Smale]

Id take one

[Andy_P]

I'd be in.

[hicard]

I would take one.

[Boomer Mikey]

OK, OK,

Group buy it is.

Thanks,

Boomer :Fire:

[Poohgyrr]

:drinks:

It is so busy at home it's krazy. But, eventually, these will be a lot of fun at the range, and then in the field.

"What are you shooting?"

"A boolit. A real boolit." :twisted:


[smilie=1:

And I still plan to try some of these heavy .44s in the M92/.44 Special. If a heavy 44 Magnum is bear load, does that make a heavy .44 Special a bunny load??

[Boomer Mikey]

: I still plan to try some of these heavy .44s in the M92/.44 Special. If a heavy 44 Magnum is bear load, does that make a heavy .44 Special a bunny load??


One of these in a 44 special case?

You're gonna turn cases to seat these deep enough to chamber and have enough room left for maybe 5 grains of powder???


Boomer :Fire:

[Poohgyrr]

[smilie=1:

I want to see how heavy a boolit will chamber, mainly in the Lever. I'm thinking of the lighter 290's too, but haven't looked at COALs yet for these boolits and my lifter/other parts and the chamber yet.

If I buy one of the S&W Specials with a full length cylinder, then one of these molds should work (if I find a way to seat it out) for that wheelgun.

If none of these work for this, then OK - I'll just use them in the Magnum.

[2 dogs]

Im ready for this one!

[Boomer Mikey]

Im ready for this one!

The Group Buy is Open.

With a name like 2 dogs I guess you need two!

Boomer :Fire:

[Boomer Mikey]

John,

What's the twist rate of your 44 special?

[Poohgyrr]

Boomer,

I'm on the road now. Don't remember and can't find it - will check tonight........